May states

"The counsels of Delphi were not advice in the strict sense, but rather were stimulants to the individual and the group to look inward and to consult their own intuition and wisdom. The oracles put the problem in a new context so that it could be seen in a different way, a way in which new and as yet unimagined possibilities would become evident. It is a common misconception that such shrines , as well as modern therapy, tend to make the individual more passive. This would be bad therapy and a misinterpretation of the oracles. Both should do the exact opposite; they should require individuals to recognize their own possiiblities, enlightening new aspects of themselves and their interpersonal relationships. This process taps the source of creativity in people. It turns them inward toward their creative springs."

I say bunk to BSG's oracle!

Here's some better depictions

[url]http://www.winterscapes.com/nympholept/pythia3.jpeg[/url]

old AND drugged out? Hardly!

it's a ploy to belittle ways that don't fit a notion of status quo.

here's a true one from greek vases.

[img]http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:qxJRWw0b0BEkQM:http://www.uwm.edu/Course/mythology/0500/1106.jpg[/img]

wahoo! we got an "expert" on the oracle thing.

My work is done, *wipes hands of BSG input*

Don't need me, you have a self-proclaimed expert!

Credentials?

here's the link, yet another talking head that knows all answers.

[url]http://mboard.scifi.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=2234370&an=0&page=0#2234370[/url]

You can do the work then, it saves me oodles of time, and well, that fissure in the rock thing, and snorting substances, not all seers need that.

Weak link and substituting it with faith; it's wisdom because you are a drop of ocean and not like you want to believe, the whole ocean.

Man is godliness, part of it all, but not the whole picture, thinking like that will drive you insane, or like what is being seen here arrogant.

You will not get to the next step with this, and i so would like you to get to the next step. By coming off Olympus and realizing we must master our mind and not let it master us. You are letting your mind master you until it drags you so deep you are miserable.

To say you are an expert at anything is sheer folly, like i said before, Socrates didn't even dare declare he was the wisest man of his time, the oracle did.

Buh, bye "expert"! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Learn your part of it all

Again with the posts of ramblings; Saddy can I have that blog soon JUST to get it said without clogging the BB? Hmmmm?

More inane banter

You know what really irks me as a a small voice in the large auditorium of life; is how those with power abuse it everytime. I know it is human nature to do so but c'mon. That's why i rail against those that have it and do not use it "for the good of all" and instead lift their "pets" to power.

One of the consciousness we all have IF we stop relying on our senses and our puny ego, is the karmic storehouse; it's not the highest one, but it is one many so want to get to and live there because it shows connection between all things, but everyone's crap is in there too.

The point i guess I'm trying to make albeit very badly, is to walk in higher states of seeing, and feeling, and connection, you have to reduce the need to want to be considered a certain way.

For example, i watched BSG, I gave my input, I stopped, my input was taken, used, and then used to beat me into the ground.

Now i could be angry, really angry but i am more hurt than anything, that basic kindness and respect which could have been offered,:should have been offered for a show that relies on humanistic issues as its blood, and would have been offered in time if i had time another 5-10 years to watch events all unfold like it always unfolds for me.

I don't have the time and energy to wait for their "D'oh! "smack in the head " moment .

Meanwhile, the spouse gets kudos for being snippy and favoritism for a small group.

Does anyone see where this is heading? Anyone?

Someone was right when they said Yoko Ono for this chick.

At higher consciousness level it is even more damaging and damning. I don't know about you, a shout out of favortism for one group over another is like standing a room full of strangers, naked inside and out and which the understanding is all are equal and then proclaiming you are the most important person in the room and only you know all the answers and your friends of course.

It denies the very fiber of everyone there when speaking about higher states of awareness; it irritates collective to the core. Though particular individuals may not realize it it at this level they begin expressing dissatisfaction with this person in a myriad of ways. The basic premise is that someone who judges others without love in their heart (and that is what someone who chooses" us" over "them" thinking does)is looked at with amusement as an errant child at best and an absolute fool at worst

I think the Yoko parallel works best in this situation. For example, Yoko... fine artist in her own right, but then gave it up to be the "partner"... biggest mistake she ever made, not only in the consciousness is she still looked at as the "Biatch the broke up the Beatles" she really had to go through hell to hold onto him because I think due to her own insecurity .

A realization needs to be made that even though you marry stardust, a flitter... and you want to play Mama... he's a big boy now.. and needs to take on some of the work no matter what line you are handed. he uses that line of work, it's an excuse....

You have a responsibility to evolve yourself; to pursue who you are out if a family realm. You owe this to yourself and to humanity. Tell him one night a week you are going to do for you, take a course in painting, or singing, or etc... he can order pizza, get on the kids about homework and tuck them in for once.

You both will get lessons from this; you'll be happier, he more appreciative, and once you have this a happier home.

And there is no "us" and "them" silly child!

Ummmm... how do put this in a non-threatening way but serious enough.

All of us have karma from past lives, a good bank and a bad bank from good and bad.

If you constantly draw on the good and don't replace it; your life will spiral downward. No amount of entreaties to a God "behind the curtain" will save your keyster.

Threats, velied or otherwise, about what happened in the past to others can not save you this time.

If this does not show does not gain viewers Skiffy will can it. And emerge without a scratch.

You have the lost the ear of those that protected you in the past.

Understand this, it's gonna hurt; this fall.

It is a test, to check your mettle and help you check your ego.

You are part of the greater, you are not the whole thing.

If you do not correct you trajectory now; you will burn up and you will not live to walk your youngest down the aisle.

'nuff said.

To be honest with you, this whole wife knows best thing pisses me off. Yeah, you know the industry and you know what? Your industry sucks, really and truly sucks.

And the we have the whole, mumbo jumbo thing about "Gone in 60 Seconds." Man, you are seriously thinking the protective forces in the universe are going to save YOUR sorry ass. Not anymore.

Why, perchance? Because you are getting arrogant, you and your wife treat fans like crap unless they kiss your ass or her ass. You can stick that.

You are becoming more insular thus more out of touch, thus more arrogant.

Yeah, they won't cancel it for now, but you're numbers are gone; because I don't know about you, I don't listen to critics; the inbred blowhards they are, stroking each other and stroking you.

WAKE THE HELL UP! The numbers tell you you are losing even your core fanbase.

Do you really want a strike and then capture an audience again AFTER that?

That's what could be looming.

Oh and Skiffy will rubberstamp 3 more seasons IF they could but NBC/Universal is writing the checks and right now they are tightening belts.

Skiffy won't cut you but they might.

You see, a rarity is that you can have lots of fans AND critical acclaim. You sold out to critical acclaim to have, what ?a piece of metal gathering dust on your mantle?

You can't have both.

You sold us down the river, Moore, admit it.

This week- 1.4-1.6 may be even 1.3; because you have lost what mainsteam wants to hear or watch.

And now, seers are half-crazed half machine yet facinating as per podcast. What an absolute trip.

Understand this and understand it well.

They are pissed; they as in those that uphold the Law.

Look at the gospel of John to start. It began with the The Word, the Law., and those that uphold it are very tired of this xproducer about actually being painted in a niche, and I'm tired of him too.

SO.

The next warning, well he's kinda decent is some plebian way.

Dreams, a bad dream will wake those asleep.

Or another shot across the bow.

Athena "choke" was right, you piss off sentinent and insentinent, they will bury your ass.

SO to you Dowl fowl ball: is lyrics you should think on all the people who gave for your position now and i do mean all of them. even your friend in childhood gave his life to help you, to expiate the bad causes of your youth, and he became only is fodder for your ambition.

Song....

Who do you think you're talkin' to.
You know me, and I know you.
Your silence and your stony face,
You don't have the ground to waste.
Your love is gone, 'cos it all comes down to you.

What can we say when all is said?
A house divided cannot stand.
Your head and heart and chary gaze,
Life is just too short to waste.
Your love is gone, 'cos it all comes down to you.

I've paid for you and you don't seem to mind.
I'm bending over backwards; you're not satisfied.
What more can I offer, to leave 'pon the alter?
Love is gone, 'cos it all comes down to you.

What can we do when all is done?
Your life's not the only one.
Just take a look beyond yourself,
The reason of your private hell:
Your love is gone, 'cos it all comes down to you.

I've paid for you and you don't seem to mind.
I'm bending over backwards; you're not satisfied.
What more can I offer, to leave 'pon the alter?
Love is gone, 'cos it all comes down to you.

You are now going to be tested, scrutinized and if your message is true you will continue, if not you will not be.

Not to be a complete wet blanket; I think if Dowl wants to open negotiations for fresh material; let him first watch Baraka the movie by Ron Fricke; and well of course get more lyrics like from Don't Stop the Dance.

[url=http://www.amazon.com/Baraka-Ron-Fricke/dp/B00005M91K/sr=8-1/qid=1162622985/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-5404740-1556947?ie=UTF8&s=dvd]Baraka Amazon link[/url]

Love the whirling dervishes, always loved to spin around ever since i was a child! :o

and

Don't Stop the Dance Lyrics

(Ferry/Davies)

Mama says the truth is all that matters
Lying and deceiving is a sin
Drifting through a world torn and tattered
Every thought I have don't mean a thing

Don't stop, don't stop the dance
Don't, more music, stop the dance

Mama says love is all that matters
Beauty should be deeper than the skin
Living for the moment, lips and lashes
Will I ever find my way again

Don't stop, don't stop the dance

Mama says love is stormy weather
Don't know why there's no sun in the sky
Footsteps in the dark come together
Gotta keep on moving or I'll die

Don't stop, don't stop the dance
Don't, more music, don't stop the dance
Don't stop, don't stop the dance
Don't, more music, don't stop the dance
Don't stop, don't stop the dance

And OMFG I think you can download Baraka the whole thing or most of it at this link!
[url]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7744087824794942587[/url]

Hmmmmm... I think it may be time for me to let whom RDM gives power over us (like his writers, his wife, all his little pets...) to fly solo for a while... test his wife's claim of her own crystal ball about the future of the show be tested.

Let her do what i do for a while, hell let them all do what i do for a while and see where it gets you.

I'm all for that; you think you are big and bad with your great superior show, and critical acclaim.

No more responses, no more chances. You do it, you do it alone.

And um good look with that block coming.

Remember this: for you and your ilk:

"of foremost importance are the people- NOT celebrities, the powerful, the RICH, scholars or others whom society deems great or praiseworthy. the purpose of all must be the happiness of the people. Everything else should be but a means to THAT end. Those that fail to recognize this fundamental point and look down on people (AD) and exploit them (the writers) are thoroughly vile and contemptible; they are a hindrance to people's happiness."

Daisaku I keda

Good luck with that 4th season :twisted:

I listen to the podcasts ahead of time and well, I'm annoyed verging on POed.

So Spoilers are coming*

This showrunner has the memory of a gnat and I'll tell you why.

1.) Why the Kara/Leoben scene is old hat; and why any torture scene is old story ideas recirculating with new characters.

Um, season 1, a whole ep of it and consequently a Tyrol smack by Tigh, etc.... etc.... in Season 2.

Clear the air in your puny head and the writer's room and maybe you live up to the touted idea of the "best show on TV". I would pundit (big word little Dowl) was WAS the "best show on TV." It might be best if you didn't watch season 1.

2.) The much described "aha" moment that says God is indescribable in man's language. That's been around thousands of years, did you ever take a religion 101; it's all there.

It proves it takes a good 6 months to filter into his conscious thought, and some else has to tell it to him first. :roll: And in moments while watching crap on TV late at night. You know that if you put crap in you get crap out. You know that show about runway models; crap. Don't know don't care about that constant renewable source of living by only the body.

Which takes us back to "The Courage to Create" Rollo May.

On pg 9 and pg 10; he talks about part of his theories about what types of courage we need to create.

I quote....from the third paragraph about social courage

"A common practice in our day is to avoid working up the courage required for authentic intimacy by shifting the issue to the body making it a matter of simple physical courage. It is easier in our society to be naked physically then to be naked psycholgically or spiritually- easier to share our bodies than our fantasies, fears, hopes, and aspirations, which are felt to be more personal and the sharing of which is experienced as making us more vulnerable. "

He continues "Hence people short-circuit the more "dangerous" building of a relationship by leaping immediately into bed. After all the body is an object and can be treated mechanically."

"But intimacy that begins and remains on the physical level tends to become inauthentic, and we later find ourselves fleeing from the emptiness."

He goes on... and talks about death fear which is not fear of physical death and its opposite. I'll paraphrase it for you Dowl since your attention span is short. It's basically describing a stuggle which you can relate to on some level.

You love someone and that's marvelous but what is happening is what i phrase the 'rubberband effect' You want to be close to this person but you do not want to be a reflection of them nor do you want them to reflect you, because after a while that partner becomes another you and that's boring so when there is too much you that you see in your partner, you pull away. You smoke and drink, and do anything to reaasert you are a separate person from her. She is basically insecure so she tries to pull you back by arguing, bouts of immature jealous behavior and snipping at perceived threats form others.

You should learn that not only is there many ways of interpreting God, there are many ways to love. No one person has the corner on completely giving you all you need as much as you or she would like that to be. They can try but they can't. You must realize this and bring it to your conscious level and then explain it to her.

We get love and acceptance and inspiration from many people in our lives, some we actively seek like our friends and family and peers, others we do not. To try to "corner" the market in this department of love an acceptance is ridiculous and if you give into her and what is comfortable your spirit which seeks this communion with places she and they can't go... (yet) will definitely atrophy and may even die. It's the old adage of use it or lose it.

You must let her know that you need this nourishment too, outside of her arms, outside of your circle of family and friends and co-workers: creativity steps outside of the known to the unknown.

You lost this need or want to step into the unknown and thus the work suffers, you compensate by applying booze. You say it's a way to destress, i see it as a way to deaden yourself enough to let other ideas in you don't dare let go in the conscious mind for fear of reprisal. It's convenient to blame the firewater. Give yourself permission to do it without booze thus save your liver.

But you know I'm that crazy chick; I don't know anything :P

If your true intent is to really pull off new ideas, Dowl, and keep an audience long enough through 2 more seasons i suggest you go away BY YOURSELF and let the ideas flow in and out and then when you get an idea ,follow through with it; anything that remotely resembles what you covered before should be tossed out at the get go with the rare and i do mean rare exception of a continuation of one of many ideas you glossed over or half-assed touched on.

I mean c'mon the good stuff is thrown in as afterthought to rush back to your beaten path. The Helo thinking in this ep, the Oracle, the hybrid, all different, hell the New Caprica arc is all a ruse to get you where you want to go which is back to military, you want to go back to sex, you want to go back to moral issues and yet you don't take the time to explore them with the excuse is we'll run it up the flagpole and you want us (the viewers) to talk about it.

We did, 2 years ago.

For example, ya stayed on that asteroid to get metal for ships in "Scar" where's the new vipers? Hmmm?

You are so eager to high tail it back to the familiar and safe that your audience is running away from your show and if you move the day and time of it that's the death knoll waiting to strike.

It's lazy storytelling; with very little creativity.

Please tell me you have very little to do with your new show, you are letting the new guy do it; because now the creative muse is spitting in your face and exclaiming" WTF is this crap!" :evil:

Go, be alone, and take a pen and paper. You won't regret it.

Do doddee dodo, singing New york new York... don't know why.

You know what i think is hilarious? Now some writer's wife is calling herself a muse :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

And ya wonder why the ratings are falling!

She too square to be a muse; all my high school reunion crap; wives are too square to be effective muses; that's why hubbies go to Vancouver for freedom, yeah. Think about it, in this very tech world why leave the States when daliles can be shipped overnight?

Look, wives #1 are good for grounding, they keep the bills paid, the electricity on, your shirts clean and your kids managed but it is rare that they can inspire great works to boot. Many times their call is opposite of a true muse and in that tension between mundane and chaos is where art is created.

If only i could find the househusband grounder I've searched for all my life; :twisted: you know grounded but open enough to give me [size=18][color=indigo]Breathing[/color][/size] room; i so need breathing room, that's why I can't be a traditional wife and i respect those that do the job and do it well.

But if a grounder is a muse on an imaginative show, there is no imagination.

Now, the buzz is RDM is an [size=18][/size][color=darkred] artist[/color]?

His wife claims he is an artist; and thus is not bound by the rules of continuity, pleasing fans, or networks.... but he's not an artist.

have you ever seen anything he created on his own... a universe that has no precedent? Anyone? Anyone?

Nope, only a high school play....

Trek writing; and established worlds before hm but nothing; original.

From "The Courage to Create" Rollo May pg 37

"Plato, for example, demoted his poets and artists down to the sixth circle of reality, because, he said, they deal only with appearances and not with reality itself...."

(Plato) "described what he called the true artists- namely, those who give birth to some new reality. These poets and other creative persons are the ones who express being itself, he held.

Enjoy the ride, folks.... this kind of hubris leads to a fall, I can feel it.

And Yoko there just fans the flames she follow him into.... quite sad really.

When I think about what happened yesterday on the boards and how the culprit who created out when scott free but now wants to bury it ; it just makes me sick at heart.

I mean to remove a moderate faction of the fandom and replace it with shipper threads.

I just hurts to watch this fandom tear itself to shreds and the unneccesary suffering caused by someone who should know better.

And these people. they don't have to watch the show but they do because,they too believe in it deep down yet they get suckered punched by the lead celebrity on the board and the rest of her supporters kick them to the ground.

How can you write a show about the intricacies of being human; this is not humane; this is not right....

I think I'm going to shed a few more tears than the T woman will over what she instigated and how pointless it really was.

She has no credibilty in my eyes from now on.

I never want to hear her on a podcast again, in fact I'll never listen to them again; I'm going to watch movies and do some writing.

It hurts to see a group of people i respected so much 3 yrs ago turn on each other lead my someone who should have stayed in the background.

:cry: It just hurts.

More Buddhist reasoning to explain my pain....

" Arrogance and greed are intimately related Tagore (an Indian poet) said 'the more avaricious they become, the less they hesitate to belittle their fellow men."

Also "where cooperation is lacking, there is suffering, malice, falsity,
barbarity, and strife. The Buddhist teaching of many in body but one in mind" is the supreme principle of cooperation"

Both of these are from a speech of Daisaku Ikeda WT article Dec. 1.

I know this; I once was arrogant and looked down on others but corrected my trajectory. I know i hurt others in that arrogance and i now am very sorry; I cannot repair all i have done but i try and carry the message in my heart now.

I'm human; I get angry.

But then i remember the line "many in body' one in mind....

It begins with basically to transcend all differences between each other and be as fish and the water in which they swim.

It does not mean to give up our individuality; or be Borg or Cylon downloads only; it means that in our interactions with others we realize the differences between us, yet we move beyond them with our intelligence and wisdom; we realize ALL people are worthy of respect.... and as another article in WT says

"to discard attachments that stand as walls between oneself and others; for example the urge to judge others in terms of social status, wealth, appearance or likes and dislikes.

Or as it applies the likes and dislikes of the current season of BSG.

To look at it another way.....hmmmmm..... there is an unseen trend in people to try to build security around them by removing anything different or what can be perceived as hostile because it does not fit in their realm of "right, or normalcy".

So they use very base way of clearing away those that oppose their views but frightening dehumanizing tactics; ridicule, deceit, slander..... Little do they realize that security is a delusion;

There is no security; no safety....

And... by pushing away others different than oneself , you enter the cycle of false arrogance- greed for more.

Your growth as a person stagnates.

I mean I don't see eye to eye on a lot of issues of today's society; call me crazy (and you will and have :P ) but at least I can carry on a conversation with most people without having them kiss my feet.

I don't need nor want those kind of accolades at all for a majority of them are not sincere.

Give me a tiny amount of sincerity over tons and tons of false comments and support any day.

Give me a "good job" from a regular person not attached to power or fame who knows me and knows what I went through then a million "You're the best" from the "in" crowd.

Another quote...."to be praised by fools is the greatest shame."

And what is more foolish than slander of a person unknown to oneself except for on a message board?

How foolish is someone who uses power to: not for good like joining fans and healing wounds, but to drive further wedges between them in the name of security? What security?

I did troll, I was not proud of it; I also got thrown off boards but I refused to compromise my belief in "all humans are equal and kissing celeb ass is a bad thing to do; it cheapens your value as an important member of the human family by saying"I'm not worthy; you are more important than me" and it leads the idol they worship to false beliefs about themselves which leads them to demanding more obeisance. It ends horribly with both parties miserable.

So much useless suffering.

"shakes head" :? :cry:

Fraking frak frak FRAK! Dowl let it go...... I know ya boxed me with the arty pics..... the fan I'm not that stupid.... and here's your fraking Hybrid drivel reference point. Damnit; you may not want to let go but I'm dying to get away as possible... and all the mockings of your wife cannot alter a damn thing of what went before but she prevents anything from else getting through in the future. She's so contrary; let her do the work; oh I forgot she can't see that well. Well, too bad for you; go hire someone that can see.

Can't let go, or won't let go... never mind; you don't have a choice... by the time you download all that will come I've moved on...."time and tide wait for no man"

and neither do I.

It was fun, but really... I'm annoyed verging on PO'ed.

[img]http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:z6Ealo4vdDIsKM:http://www.huxley.net/contexts/miranda.jpg[/img]

It's Miranda from Shakespeare's The Tempest.

And um Dowl you are not Shakespeare and you know to make that kinda mark in the annals of history...you have to be dead. :roll:

Art time; I've moved on from that pic to these...

[img]http://re3.mm-a7.yimg.com/image/2612503500[/img]

or this

[img]http://re3.mm-a8.yimg.com/image/2915128231[/img]

ah much better; even though the eye one is kinda trippy but cool.

The ratings are down; as per the "wife". Um.... you're not doing a good job of directing your husband....

Two words of why Dowl and wife have lost their way; moral ambiguity. They think wrongly that by labeling people (you know trolls, stalkers, crazy) while their livelihood depends on cunning thievery from one of the aforementioned group gets them ratings.

It is morally wrong to take anything from anyone and not give them credit; this man is a thief which makes his wife a thief, which marks his children thieves.

I find it entertaining that their life now depends on a crazy like me; yet they will not acknowledge it; yet watch ,they will be very concillatory next year to whom them labeled.

Crazy but right; the more they deny the worse it gets.

You do NOT want to mess with ME; the wife says....

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

As Glinda says to the Wicked Witch of the West

"Off with you.... you have no power here."

You leech of your husband's temporary burst of fame; you create nothing of your own now. And you constantly saying this is my husband;

pathetic... you take feminism back to the '50's.

How does one get rid of leeches? Burn them off I guess.

Oh, and dowl, how do you know i didn't throw you a curve ball; to check your intentions? You swung like mad and missed.

That I knew this would turn up; that you'd go for the elevation of your name and not for what is right.

Everyone has a price; yours is little statues that proclaim to the worlds i am not a failure. Screw the people that got me here; the poor ignorant unmwashed masses who don't care if the crap we throw at them is any good.

Ah, you are wrong.

And the fortune gained from living 100 years can be destroyed with one word. You used that word to distance yourself; to box me in something because your brain cannot comprehend.

So much for out of the box thinking :roll:

And you won't let go. Yeah, 'cause the ideas are not coming to you on your own.

So try without my intervention; see if you can up the ratings. If you can't then you will know, well, who's got some power. I don't think it's your wife. She can reaarange furniture but I never see her talk about the show; get on the threads and talk about it.

She pushes the husband is great agenda but honestly she doesn't care about the show. She cares about the fame and royalty part, but not the show itself. Leech; she is in a world of hunger.

And she feeds your fear. I'm sorry if someone broke into your house before. That is wrong.

Oh, and BTW is it okay if I have to go to CA to see my sister and take care of her or will you have to post guards around your house and work; get a restraining order now in the of chance someone crazy like me might be breathing in your direction while she helps her sister-in-law after her surgery for breast cancer.

Forget the fact that I could care less about the sites and the last thing on my mind is ever getting near you after the stunts you and your wife pulled. i want to be there for her during this period. You think you can step out of your ego-driven world for a minute and not be scared? You won't even know I'm there, well may be if you are as in tuned as you say you are; a disturbance in the force or some such crap but that's it.

Yeah, just forget the fact i am a human being and thus have feelings too and that it isn't all about you.

My sis-in law is my top priority now; not some sci-fi show.

OOOOOH Question?

Why are 800 some odd people reading this thread.

Go save galactica or some shite like that.

Save a Boxed model Cylon, save the world.

Just in time for Christmas and boxed before their time;

The Church of the Cylon 5.

You ARE kidding, right?

Dowl you'll screw it up; yeesh; if i let you write anything about it; you'll screw it up.

*massages her temples* or is the massage temples :wink:

How do you take a wonderful story and turn it into crap in one season; hell less than a season.

Isn't there a song by Duran Duran called The Church of the Poisoned Mind or such drivel.

I prefer " Say a Prayer" or is it called something else you know the video where they shot it Sri Lanka.

"He's going to screw it up .He's going to screw it up!" It keeps running through my mind.

Ice planet? You won't hjave time for an ice planet 'cause it's a mad rush to Earth before they can your asses. No tourist stops; an express run to Earth.

a "conditional 4th" is the feel now;

Public face for Skippy suits: ""That's ridiculous; cancelling our flagship show? That's crazy!"

Private face:" Look, you had better start putting out; or we'll put you out. You can't sell this; we won't take Caprica.

And me? :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

It's not my rep; not my check, not my business.

Ah freedom!

You see people want a connection with the Law; positive or negative; it's not you they want to connect with or really even me; but they know connecting with the Mystic Law, on some level is what they desire.

You refuse to take me seriously and insulted me and let others insult me; now I refuse to help you any more; simple.

You can't lift my ideas if you have nothing to lift, do you?

You may have to 'gasp' think on your own! :shock:

So. I'm going to concentrate on other matters Dowl; when you are ready to apologize, and say thank you like a proper person; then we'll see, but until then.....

PI$$ OFF!

You haven't left yet? What are you waiting for?

If I was running the final five boxed set I'd say that one of the reasons they were boxed is they bred with humans. The result oracles.....they have some capabilities of Cylons but they are so bred with humans they are not detectable.

Hera would be important now because she is like these bagged Cylons but young enough for controlling; thus valuable if trained properly.

The Hybrid is a manufactured cross breed from the Cylons; tamed and trained to do their will.

If the first five models are the original 5 from when the human Cylon machine got cranked up before the war that would be interesting; they were leaders that began the resistence movement to humans; but lets say they left before the First Cylon war or right after the loss. Why? They realized the futility of fighting Mom and Pop.

There was a large schism in the Cylons; some thought the first 5 models too human.

May be they were tossed out because of one god only thinking.

I don't know I'm too tired to think right now.

I want to wake or unbox one and run with my original idea; or ho hooo! Have the Colonials unbox one. And that Cylon is like letting a genie out of the bottle. He/ she will get them to Earth if she is left in peace.

I still like the idea of the civies shedding both the Galactica and the government and have the battlestar and the other Cylons chase after them for a while. This unboxed beaut leads the other ships and is two steps ahead of both.

The civies get to Earth first; the Cylons and Galactica duke it out in orbit; both destroy each other; canceling each other out.

Life on Earth remains undisturbed; sure some fireworks from the battle but we think it's sunspots or something.

Bad idea I know, but it changes dynamics. Sure it can be a Caprica- arc like scenario. Put a secondary character on the civilian ships; documenting the whole thing and leaving bread crumbs of info for the fleet to find.

Just thoughts....

And you people need to go push fer your show;

Me? Nopearoopa.

I'm singing "Rocking Around the Christmas tree" "have a happy holiday."

Stop reading this thread you "humps" and start your conversions to the "best show on TV"

Hardly.... but it sounds good with the spin.

Ya know WHY you are tanking; um because you need to write a story; not cut a paste movie scenes which BTW started last season.

So to stroke your fragile egos; you offer a free screening. Um....
not everyone lives in a city setting (thank you Lords of K)

These people have been broken down so much they have no redeeming qualities whatsoevah.

Time to put a bullet in it or write to a higher nature of humanity.

Yeah we're fecked up, but some of us can go beyond that.

It doesn't take a Mother Theresa to be a decent person; it just takes practice and patience and a willingness to control one's tongue.

Ya realize sooner or later that everything you think say and do determines what will happen to you sooner or later.

You want good things to happen, plant good karma FOR ALL, not for those that like or love you but for all; draw together people, not separate them.

These people want security of those who think like them around them; I would rather bypass that to come to an understanding with those that don't agree.

And it's a rite of passage to be banned from ass-kisser BB's like Skiffy?! Did you see their survey? What do you like about the season; no place for negs like the Hero bungle, the New Caprica rush through, and well other silly bits.

The only positives are jake the dog, the oracle :lol: , the hybrid, the bucket drop, the wacky wheat and Hogan's good acting skills.

We need a Harlan moment; what do you think Ellison would do; go for ass-kissers and suck-ups or say frack to that BS.

They say continuity is for pussies; I say ass-kissing is for pussies; for sheep; for those that are too weak to think on their own. They will follow anyone with a little power and can (and will) turn on them in a heartbeat.

And the wife :roll: how does she help this situ? She doesn't; she wants to push the fact she's his WIFE! So?Do you have a point to that?

it's dying because you split the base, lady and you listen only to one side.

How can you be positve when you surgically removed the opposition.

What happens to dictators? They get overthrown don't they in time?

Guess what's going to happen?

WTF? Okay, i was lured in; but this last ep was a reset button to the season 2 beginning; different players same idea.

You so need to get new military scenarios; not based in "Crimson Tide"

Ya listening? Stop watching war pics and talk to real military to get fresh ideas.

i can't get excited about the temple, since the answer is right in Tyrol's frackin' face. Did you push on the eye? Will it line up with the supernova and a few seconds before paint the way to Earth; like Indiana Jones in the maproom.

Stop leeching off creativity and do your own for cripes sake.

It's predictable, incredibly so.

Starbuck going down; yeesh....

Makes me think of a song of course "Don't Dream it's Over" i can't help but think it is.

The expressions on Roslin's face.... amusement? Oops, you found me out? What the hell is that all about?

Hiatus right? As the head elf in "Rudolph The Red nosed Reindeer" says to Hermie.....

"Not for you; finish the job or you're fired."

Speaking of Hermie and dentists; Cally is such a wuss and a whiner now. Colorless.....

"I miss Nicky..." :roll:

If you don't like it don't watch it? I like to gamble, so I'm gambling that if the ratings drop enough these writers may clean their ears out long enough to actually listen to beyond the choir of "the show is great" and listen to those that will not pass the plate in the back for them and will not reward bad writing and bad behavior from their ancillary writing families.

Newbies, watch Season 2 the beginning, the planet scene. They've done the same planet recon 4-5 times; different planet, same recon mission.

Can't you see this dahlings? They are building a false illusion from this publicity stunt at the theatres that they are doing really well; that the ratings are pure bunk and mean nothing.

Yeah, they do.

It tells you that nationwide you are losing fans from ep to ep; 2000 people do not equal 2 million. You want it to; but it is not.

Face facts, you lost them, it's hard to get new viewers without indoctrinating them from the beginning so that leaves current fans that the okayer kiss asses drive from the Skiffy board.

Don't jump on the "don't like don't watch" bandwagon too quickly; can you dialogue with them; see what they like?

If you lose the marginals in January; you'll never get them back and you ratings will remain low and lower.

That's the true tragedy.

Don't Dream It's Over (Neil Finn)
LYRICS

There is freedom within, there is freedom without
Try to catch the deluge in a paper cup
There's a battle ahead, many battles are lost
But you'll never see the end of the road
While you're traveling with me

Hey now, hey now
Don't dream it's over
Hey now, hey now
When the world comes in
They come, they come
To build a wall between us
We know they won't win

Now I'm towing my car, there's a hole in the roof
My possessions are causing me suspicion but there's no proof
In the paper today tales of war and of waste
But you turn right over to the T.V. page

Now I'm walking again to the beat of a drum
And I'm counting the steps to the door of your heart
Only shadows ahead barely clearing the roof
Get to know the feeling of liberation and relief

Hey now, hey now
Don't dream it's over
Hey now, hey now
When the world comes in
They come, they come
To build a wall between us
Don't ever let them win

that's my lyric contribution or it'd be The Pretenders....Like "My City Was Gone"

I like choppers (guitarists)

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From Madonna "Frozen"

You only see what your eyes want to see
How can life be what you want it to be
You're frozen
When your heart's not open

You're so consumed with how much you get
You waste your time with hate and regret
You're broken
When your heart's not open

Chorus:

Mmmmmm, if I could melt your heart
Mmmmmm, we'd never be apart
Mmmmmm, give yourself to me
Mmmmmm, you hold the key

Now there's no point in placing the blame
And you should know I suffer the same
If I lose you
My heart will be broken

Love is a bird, she needs to fly
Let all the hurt inside of you die
You're frozen
When your heart's not open

(chorus)
(verse)
(chorus, repeat)

If I could melt your heart

It is time to close off this thread and shut down to let events run a course. YOU must decide whether you wish to invite these people into your hearts and minds for the remainder of the BSG sojourn. Do not do it because you think somehow you have no value and they are superior to you in any way.

It is a TV show, these are writers, and tech guys, and actors and crew; they are not super people; judge them on their merit; do they improve your life or detract from it; do they make you feel open to life or do they close you off from it. Do they expect loyalty and respect yet do not give it in return or parcel it out to those deserving. Is that tolerance or its opposite? Does it expose you to other ideas or hammer their own into your head?

The Lotus Sutra promises that all can reach enlightenment; not those just of class, of fame, of money, of intellect. There is no distinction between us and them. We ALLOW them to go on; they are at OUR disposal, not the other way around.

Remember that.... never forget that as much as they want to preach to you that only by following them to wherever they go, a new board, a new show..... you will be "special" ...it's a lie. You need no one to tell you this, you do not need the validation from a writer or his family or a network. These are temporary situations with people that won't remember you 5-10 years from now let alone 5 minutes from now.

Best to use your short life to help those who will appreciate you now and in the years to come; to build and care for the immediate; in front of you and do not waste your time on a pursuit that is fleeting.

learn the difference between the transient and the true

It was an experience.

See you on the other side.

MK

One last request for me and those like me; downtrodden because we think outside the box.

For the New Year I DEMAND justice from the universe.

Just as you would not steal from someone distracted; let's say someone who dropped a hundred dollar bill from their pocket; would you steal from another and then call you crazy when you caught them red-handed thief when you know they picked it up.

I don't care if you are the "model" US citizen and stand for the national anthem in your home; you Dowl are low; and calling me names to justify mistreating meit in your mind is ethically wrong.

If this is the case, justice will be served by low ratings continuing and very low ratings for any new project. Make no mistake, your show, beloved of yours, will die or you will be faced to make a choice to abandon it or lose something that means the world to you.

You may be big and bad in your corner of the world but it hold no power elsewhere.

Swift and final justice; that is all I ask... silence him or me in all aspects; he will not write again; or we will reach a compromise that begins with an apology and a thank you.

If I am at fault I will pay for it in many ways; but the praise factor has reached its peak; it is time for the winds of change to sweep this away.

For all of you, never succumb to the powerful of this world; for they were given it because of past karma and it can dissipate as quickly as fog when the sun comes out.

Justice, not vengeance.

You have no fear Dowl if what you did was right.

It's time to nuke this thread; no responses so easy smeasy...

Buh bye all you lovies; and um no story until Dowl gets lost 'cause he's a writer' they run off with ideas....

Um Sad, please delete this thread and let's talk about other realities, please.

I'm feeling like the Shat..... you people need to stop reading this dead thread and find some enjoyment in life....

Go celebrate whatever season you can get out of sci-fi be that structured or not by suits.

Mark Stern so needs to light a thousand candles 'cause he's really making silly decisions.

may be if ya wouldn't have banned me you'd get better ratings ya freakin' idjit....

I just have to laugh though, posting at skiffy is a joke...

You want to know what 2007 has in store?

The sun rises, the sun sets; sometimes you'll have good days; some not so good.

There ya happy? :twisted:

Dowl, tanked on New Years? Yeesh... Mike says hi and says go back to the white board, draw everything out and put a cork in this dance around you call a show... and finish what you start....

He wishes he could write again.... we had a mind.... I told him that he let some authority figure cramp his creativity so he spent his life fostering others ideas because he always had that feeling he wasn't worthy of creating.... he was.... He may help me "keep it real" and focused and I could use it.

The smoking killed him of course but the throat chakra is one of expression; we express sometimes too much which wears it out and he repressed it. Even if no one ever reads what you write or paint, or mold..... it's as important as breathing to some.... it's the way a soul speaks back to its maker whomever that may be....

He's got me listening to Perry Como too; "Papa Loves Mamba" and "A You're Adorable".... Dowl the latter is something you should try for the wife... then you could tone her competitive streak a little.

I'd let het her have an "e husband" a game she plays.... to get you to emote.

You are compulsive about work and drinking and whatever you do to deaden pain.... stop running and start embracing it ..... It means you have to examine "Gasp" your feelings.... You wife wants it; you want the deeper relationships with all people in your sphere.... it takes hard work; not a gloss over.

Emotions are not the result; they are symptoms of other problems; if you ignore emotions; you miss the bus about life.
And you life spins out of control.

I don't mind if guys secretly go through emotions and deal with the me hurt time privately; and shedding a few tears when appropriate... but Dowl what's next..... a frilly apron and quiche in the oven?

Your wife has you wrapped 5 times around her finger.... pathetic really pathetic... p whipped badly. If i were a guy in that situ I'd be like go ahead honey find a better man than me but well, I won't be around to play.

You can love women.... but stop being one... time enough for that in lifetimes to come.

Watching football doesn't make you a man just like watching HGTV doesn't makes you a woman.

I'd chew you up and spit you out ; but some men like that domineering woman handling I guess. I'm old-fashioned I ultimately want to defer to a guy but he had better have my best interest at heart and better be ready to rumble if I see anything that disrespects me.

That's why I hope Dowl you're ready to rumble 'cause you dissed me but I won't leave it to me to chase it down... I'll let others do the fighting for me. If I'm right, loss is your lot; if I'm not, loss and a lesson.

Oh, and I hope your Dad will be okay when the time comes, I'll chant for him; take care of that emotional business sooner rather than later; you may not get a chance later. :(

I have to go watch a movie or write or something.... see ya kiddo.

"The longest journey you'll ever make is from you head to your heart."

Thus begins a book called "The Heart of the Soul" by Zukav and his life partner.... i forgot her name.

There are many ways to change our lives... many roadsides, many people, many books. My priviledge in this lifetime is to rethink my life through words.... books....

This one has got me thinking and feeling and motivating me in many ways to make that personal overhaul I longed for and sorely needed.

It has pointed out to me that the hateful spew i unleashed here is not the right way to go.... my anger and fear have lead me down this path before and it does so now....

I do not want to feel this way anymore....

Fully acknowledging my part in the hate i apologize to you Dowl, your wife, and anyone involved with the show.

I tried to manipulate by pleasing and that was wrong.... part of me just wants to give because we so need to do this for each other but I made the huge mistake of expectation in return... not anymore.

I was hurt; not because. the ideas sent were used... but because i felt mocked by you and others like your wife and that hurts; so I got angry..... struck back when i tried so hard to contribute; but may be it was used to manipulate... I don't know.... My intent was to come to the table and offer what i had, but i guess it may have seemed "off." That was not my intention.

I have no one to blame but myself.

I just don't want to feel this way anymore so I'll say I'm sorry; best of luck with all you do from BSG 4 onward. I hope your love of that special lady of yours lasts a lifetime; that all of BSG cast, crew, writers, staff, etc.... find wonderful life lessons that lead them to greater happiness then even i can imagine (and that's a lot of happiness)

And to all of you, it is my fervent wish that you never, ever, ever suffer anything like i have.... take care of diligent of yourself and each other.

Great love and hope for 2007 and beyond.

MK signing off to find the path from her head to her heart and vice versa.