Insect Wars: Dark Zone or Light Universe?
Valdron wrote:
quote[quote] I’ll have to go and get the quote from Rated: Lexx, it’s in the section dealing with Kai and his death. [/quote]
Found it. 790 says:
“When His Divine Shadow became powerful, and started to take over the Light Universe, one of the first planets he attacked was Brunnis 2, the Brunnen-G planet.”
Hmmm. This would definitely imply the Divine Order didn’t do a heck of a lot before Kai’s time. The New Born saw the Divine Order conquering and destroying planet-after-planet, but apparently the Divine Order had only just started doing that.
quote[quote] There’s no way, in the context of the internal evidence to say one took place before the other. Thus, we cannot prove definitively based on the histories in Mantrid and Brigadoom that the Divine Order or Brunnis 2 was established first. Both took place a substantial period after the Insect Wars. [/quote]
It is difficult to say for sure, certainly. But we can theorize on what is more or less likely, based on what we do know. We can see which way the scales are tipping.
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The only way out is by attempting to interpret external evidence. At this point, Sgt. Draino, no offense, but your logic becomes circular: The Divine Order is younger because it devoured travelers from Brunnis 2, the travellers must be from Brunnis 2 because they were devoured by the Divine order, which was younger. You’ve
based your argument on a series of prepositions which are rooted in each other, going round and round. It’s an easy trap to fall into.
AH-HA! OH-HO! YOU STING ME!!! ppttt, just kidding. [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
My argument isn’t circular, because the first point (the Divine Order being younger than Brunnis 2) is not solely based on the second point (that the travelers must be from Brunnis 2).
The Divine Order is probably younger than Brunnis 2, because Brigadoom tells us it was “on the rise” during Kai’s time, and Rated Lexx tells us that Brunnis 2 was one of the first planets the Divine Order attacked.
The Brunnen-G killed by HDS, who originally lived on Brunnis, probably therefore came from Brunnis 2, because it seems unlikely the Divine Order was around 10,000+ years before Kai’s time, when the shields went up on Brunnis 2.
quote[quote] By contrast, my argument is that the chain of inferences from the statements made in Brigadoom seem to support the notion that there was no traffic or communication after the shield went up. It’s not conclusive, but the evidence as I see it tends to go that way, and within Brigadoom’s text, there’s nothing going the other way. [/quote]
In the spirit of fairness, I remembered a line which supports your theory of no traffic:
“Closed behind our mighty shield, beyond which none can fly.”
Sounds pretty definite. Of course, it also seems to fly in the face of the Super Nova info. Maybe one of the two sources was simply not being accurate, either on purpose, or by accident.
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Other cultures or travellers consulted the time prophet. We know both the Divine Shadow and Vlad did so.
The Divine Shadow may have been accessing Kai’s memories. But Vlad was on her own.
HDS clearly got the TP’s location from Kai’s memory. Naturally this info would have been passed on to Vlad when she was sent on her mission. We actually DON’T see or hear of any other cultures visiting the Time Prophet.
quote[quote] The best evidence is that his memory record is in the Burst of Life place. Unfortunately, we are clearly shown in Supernova that it has been made by Poetman as a trap for the unwary. [/quote]
Actually, the Burst of Life place has NOT been made into a trap for the unwary. Poetman tries to trick everyone into going into the Love place, not the Burst of Life place. He tries to talk them OUT of going into any of the other rooms, because he’s only interested in propagating his seed.
quote[quote] As a final note, Sgt. Draino, you are arguing that the Divine Order would have expanded exponentially upon founding. I’m not sure if that applies. On Earth, for instance, Islam expanded exponentially. Christianity had to slog for 1800 years to get where it is today. [/quote]
Obviously there are few certainties when it comes to Lexx. We are dealing more in probabilities. Some religions are more aggressive than others. I see the Divine Order as being extremely… pro-active. [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
quote[quote] The US reached its present borders in little more than a century. Alexanders empire was a single short lifetime. That’s just on one planet. The Light Universe is an incredibly big place. It’s an interesting argument you’ve made, but profoundly unprovable. [/quote]
A man with god-like powers can take over a planet in 100 years. A planet lead by a man with god-like powers can take over another planet in a single day. [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
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Okay, I just got off the phone with John Dunsworth. *He* was the Voice of the Divine Shadow/Divine Predecessor who killed Kai in IWHS and Gigashadow, and the Game. So that
settles that.
Hooray! Mystery solved! Cool. Now, for the next mystery…
What is John Dunsworth’s phone number?
Anyone? Anyone?
But seriously, Valdron, think we could get him to do a chat with us sometime?
[ 23-03-2002: Message edited by: sgtdraino ]