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Who are the predecessors of His Divine Shadow in sci-fi literature or in history? Obvious candidates are Darth Vadar, Ming the Merciless and the Pope. Lexx is quite original, and His Divine Shadow to me is the most sinister character in all sci-fi, but I can’t help feeling that he’s quite familiar to me.
Hmmm your quite right about the divine predecessors being a uniqe element in SciFi as is His Divine Shadow. Also I don’t think there has even been a character like HDS before in SciFi. Maybe what you think is familiar about the character is the total evil. I think most human beings know on a very fundemental level what true evil is and HDS really represents that.
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I just started re-reading Lord of the Rings (in anticipation of the movie), and I noticed this: Gandalf refers to the Dark Lord’s power as “his shadow” when he’s telling Frodo about the Ring and stuff. Could have been an influence?
Well “Lord of the rings” is a possible influence. But I think the idea of His Divine Shadow is just an obvious concept. The shadow being the evil alien darkening humanity.
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Well, Darth Vader is an obvious influence. His Divine Shadow also reminds me of the Eternal Spirit of Morthrii from [i]The War of the Worlds[/i]. The scene where the commander kills the major then herself on board the [i]Mega Shadow[/i] seems like an homage to a similar scene in the [i]Doctor Who[/i] episode [i]The Keeper of Traken[/i].
Some people say the whole dark mass entering bodies and taking them over and turning their eyes black and such was lifted from [i]The X-Files[/i]. However, [i]Lexx 1.1: I Worship His Shadow[/i] appeared a year [b]before[/b] the Black Oil made its debut (in the episode [i]Piper Maru[/i]). There are also major differences between the two sci-fi elements, so we must conclude that they were separate developments.
I think His Shadow was inspired more by people in real life. There were those crazy Christians in the past who ordered thousands to be killed just because they worshipped different gods. And then you have those modern cult leaders who say (or even believe) that they’re God, and aquire a dark following. And let’s not forget Mr. Hitler. His Divine Shadow is more a symbol of religious zealotism and pedagogery on Earth than any product of science fiction roots.
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Lee P. Sherman, code name DalekTek790
Whovian, Froudian, Lexxian, etc.“The x-files” isn’t the only one who has used the black eye cloud efect. B5 has also used this effect and it is just that, an effect. It does get the point across for the story thats being told. Ok and yeah Darth Vader could be an influence but some how I don’t think so. Darth was all human and beings so he had some good in him so not totally evil like HDS.
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Jabba the Hutt
Jabba the Hutt
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quoth the Raven ‘nevermore’Like Darth Vader, His Divine Shadow serves as a figurehead for a vast and antagonistic force.
Also like Vader, His Divine Shadow was built up in two movies as the bad guy, then the makers threw in some pathos and had him try to destroy a greater evil (the Emperor/Mantrid). They’re both fallen Angels, remnants of a glorious race who descended into darkness since their people were slaughtered en masse.
Which [i]Babylon 5[/i] episode had black vapor possessing people?
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Lee P. Sherman, code name DalekTek790
Whovian, Froudian, Lexxian, etc.
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Originally posted by DalekTek790:
[b]Also like Vader, His Divine Shadow was built up in two movies as the bad guy, then the makers threw in some pathos and had him try to destroy a greater evil (the Emperor/Mantrid). They’re both fallen Angels, remnants of a glorious race who descended into darkness since their people were slaughtered en masse.[/b]
What??? When did the Beans give HDS *any* pathos? You’ve *never* addressed this question. There is *nothing* sympathetic about HDS, other than some extremely peculiar sympathy you happen to have for him. And Mantrid is “a greater evil???” An impotent, bodiless bio-vizier? Someone who hasn’t even been able to leave his pathetic planet? If anything, HDS’ closer parallel in the STAR WARS universe is Emperor Palpatine. Your theory puts Mantrid at the charge of HDS’ empire, with HDS as, as you said, a “figurehead.” Which is just wrong. It has no basis in the text.
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Originally posted by Raven:
[b]Jabba the Hutt[/b]
I don’t really think Jabba compares to some of the big bad guys like the Emporer and HDS. All the times I’ve seen Star Wars, I’ve never been afraid of him…just disgusted.
Really good baddies like HDS are the ones that give you little chills up and down your spine–like when he made the one soldier kill the other and then kill herself–just because he could. _That’s_ evil. Jabba was just an oversized slug…repulsive but not terrifying.——————
Gideon: I thought you said you don’t hold a grudge.
Galen: I don’t. I have no living enemies. At all.Well B5 didn’t really B5 have any possesion but on several occassions Lyta did use her extreem telepathic ability. That resulted in her eyes turning pitch black. I guess you could say that she possessed by her darker side at those particular times.
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Originally posted by Slopmaster:
[b]Well B5 didn’t really B5 have any possesion but on several occassions Lyta did use her extreem telepathic ability. That resulted in her eyes turning pitch black. I guess you could say that she possessed by her darker side at those particular times.-SM[/b]
And that reminds me of the 1996 Doctor Who TV movie where the Doctor’s companion, Grace, had black eyeballs when controlled by the Master.
The Master… he was a sadistic bugger but not totally evil.Randalt
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Originally posted by Raven:
[b]Boba Fett (my fav star wars character)[/b]
Boba Fett is a cool character! I wish his ending wasn’t so wimpy though…knocked into the Sarlaac by ACCIDENT? A guy like that deserves to go out in a blaze of glory…
(You can probably tell I’ve seen Star Wars WAY too many times [img]http://www.sadgeezer.com/ubb/smile.gif[/img] )Boba Fett (my fav star wars character)
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quoth the Raven ‘nevermore’Wow! I agree with DalekTek790 and disagree with Aleck.
I see what DT790 was on about when he said “fallen”. We don’t know who started the war between the insects and the humans, only that the humans committed genocide of an entire race and perhaps enslaved them or somehow incorparated insects into bio-machinery. Remember the ships of the Brunnen G? HDS was surprised to see them.. “an insect.. interesting” or sumthing like that.
Look at it from HDS’s POV:
What if insects had wiped out the entire human race? Would a sole surviving human be justified to try and turn the insects on themselves? And HDS’s whole point is that humans are eager to destroy each other. I mean he somehow convinced people to follow him and turn on each others and themselves, so the humans had to be somewhat willing at least in the very begining.And Mantrid was just a Bio-vizier, but the Mantrid that tried to destroy the universe was part of his human essence combined with the essence of HDS, transferred into an unfeeling machine and with the onslaught of Mantrid drones assimilating every particle of the universe into it’s collective of Matrid drones, a much more serious threat than the Divine Order ever was.
I also tend to agree with religious implications of the Divine Order as opposed to patterning them more after Darth Vader or things like that.
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Originally posted by Catalina:
[b] Boba Fett is a cool character! I wish his ending wasn’t so wimpy though…knocked into the Sarlaac by ACCIDENT? A guy like that deserves to go out in a blaze of glory…
(You can probably tell I’ve seen Star Wars WAY too many times [img]http://www.sadgeezer.com/ubb/smile.gif[/img] )[/b]
I totaly agree 100%, he should of been crushed by an AT-AT or something, do u reckon he’ll be in Episode 2 or 3 (i know this is a Lexx board, but Star Wars is class)
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quoth the Raven ‘nevermore’At the risk of diverting this thread permanently from [i]Lexx[/i], I have answers to Raven’s [i]Star Wars[/i] questions.
In Episode II we’ll see Boba Fett as a Mandalorian general in kinky white armor, and as a young boy. They’re clones, both called “Boba Fett,” and I don’t know which one actually becomes the guy we see in Episodes IV-VI.
After the Mandalorians’ bitter defeat at Condawn and the end of the Clone Wars, one of those Bobas shows up in Episode III as a small-time bounty hunter, still wearing a slight modification of the traditional armor. Then, as we all know, by the time of the Classic Trilogy he’s the most feared bounty hunter in the Galaxy.
Disclaimer: Some of this information has not been officially confirmed by Lucasfilm. It is a combination of established facts, rumors, and speculation that has been accepted by most of the [i]Star Wars[/i] fans I have conversed with.
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Lee P. Sherman, code name DalekTek790
Whovian, Froudian, Lexxian, etc.This quote totally describes the Divine Order, His Divine Shadow, and the Giga Shadow:
Convulsed into animation, it was Resurrection Day, as not conceived of by religionists. Concatenations of sounds arose from burials. Spinal columns of groans were exhuming from ruination. Articulations of sobs clung to them. A shout that was jointed with oaths reached out from a hole. A church, which for centuries had been the den of a parasite, sank to a heap. It was a maw that engulfed a congregation.
-Charles Fort
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The descendants of Northern Peoples are groping in universal darkness. Their mother mourns. A dark occasion forebodes a time when weakness in high places will revive a high cost of living and an interval of mistakes in high places, an interval fit for distressing.
What a coincidence, the new episode had a Charles Fort-like character and a Fortean Society-like organization! Are there Fortean Beans after all???
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The descendants of Northern Peoples are groping in universal darkness. Their mother mourns. A dark occasion forebodes a time when weakness in high places will revive a high cost of living and an interval of mistakes in high places, an interval fit for distressing.
if anyone was an influence it could be The Emperor. the thing that makes HDS and the emperor so evil is their lack of humanity. Palpatine cast away his humanity and became totally evil. HDs isn’t even human so he treats us like insects ie with no emotion. that is what makes them see mso evil is their total lack of remorese or feeling.
anyway on the boba fett issue (my fav character as well read the books he DIDN”T DIE [img]http://www.sadgeezer.com/ubb/smile.gif[/img] )
their are spoilers ahead yet none serious but if you want to be in the dark don’t read this. boba is a clone of the guy who ALL of the clones in the clone wars are from. he is only a boy in epII and we don’t know what in epIII
Can I just say that the post about two Boba Fetts is incorrect, what happens is that Count Dooku uses Jango Fett as a template for a clone army, as a reward Jango is given one of the clones in the form of a young boy, he takes the boy as his son and calls him Boba…And Jango Fett is also a bounty hunter.
On HDS, he is the most terrifying evil bloke ever created (Darth’s a wimp next to him), HDS must have all the elements of all the evil characters in cinematic history, probably what makes him the best.
I know if he came into my local pub, I would be down on my knees right away and saying ‘I worship you divine shadow, oooh you’ve got a bit of divine predecessor on your left boot, let me get that for you’
I hope he does come back for S4, he’s really a lovely fella when you get to know him, and I wouldn’t mind him turning me into a cool assassin like Kai, think of the chicks I would pull, sad thing is I would probably have to introduce them to my brace after the first kiss…oh well, get a good name as a ladykiller.
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