countdown to the premiere of ‘Legend of the Rangers

Sorry to be the one to tell you this but Lyta is dead by the Rangers movie. After two years she comes back with G’Kar to take control of the army Garabaldi was building for her while she was gone. This causes the Telepath War. She dies in some heroic fashion to end the war. In the Crusade universe; there is no psi corp, telepaths can have “mundane jobs”, they don’t have to wear gloves and public opinion has improved in their favor. However there is a new psi corp equivalent, but they’re not nearly as evil. More like a bunch of petty beurocrats(spelling)
This has all been implied/stated in previous books. However JMS wants to make this story into an actual movie, so that’s why we haven’t gotten a lot of details on the subject.

Oh, also in the Crusade universe, Bester was a war criminal, this was meant to be introduced in the 14th episode. [img]images/smiles/icon_mad.gif[/img] TNT [img]images/smiles/icon_mad.gif[/img] Bester was to have a large supporting-role in Crusade, much like Lockley.

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Originally posted by Flamegrape:

That’s stated in a book or in B5 or Crusade episode? If it was in a book, does JMS treat novels as cannon? Dammit, I can’t believe that JMS would kill her off! I thought he liked her! (Both the actress and the character.)
[img]images/smiles/icon_mad.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_sad.gif[/img]

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It stated in a trilogy of books. Yes JMS works closely with them and makes sure they fit into his plan for the B5 universe. He does like the character and actress, thats why he wants it to be made into a movie. Lyta dying for the freedom of telepaths is exactly what she would do!

D’oh! I’ll have to try to find the link somewhere in the sadhoo. But at worst I’ll post it sunday afternoon. I’m still at home and all my links are on my school computer.

I no longer have sky and cant watch B5 anymore im going to cry now [img]images/smiles/icon_sad.gif[/img] I miss B5

sorry bekka [img]images/smiles/icon_sad.gif[/img]
*mary beth smacks the people in charge at sky upside their collective heads. and says ‘stupid idiots’* [img]images/smiles/icon_mad.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_mad.gif[/img]

[img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img] found it!
[url=http://www.sadgeezer.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=6&t=000035]]http://www.sadgeezer.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=6&t=000035][/url]
it doesn’t talk about Crusade though. i would still like to know where it is on the timeline. [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
ok i don’t understand why the link is not working. but i am probably putting it in wrong. i thought that i had it figured out! [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img] but if it doesn’t work the post is here in the B5 forum and it is brainplagues post about the cast and crew of TLOTR [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

[ 14-01-2002: Message edited by: mary beth ]

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Originally posted by mary beth:
duh! i just check those links you gave me headgehog and imagine my surprise when i saw the year dates under the show name! DOH! [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img] i need to start taking my time when reading stuff! HEHEHEHE!!LOL! [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
BTW 4 days till the premiere!!! YIPPEE! how soon will we get a series if the movie does good?

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I was wondering what was wrong with the
timeline I sent you to. [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img] Crusade started 4 1/2 years after the end of [i]Objects at Rest[/i]. LOTR is set ~3 years after that same episode.
According to rumor, speculation, and blatent hints by scifi and JMS we could see a new series by fall of this year. Maybe I’m speaking too soon, but expect a new B5 series for the fall.

[ 16-01-2002: Message edited by: Headgehog ]

T minus 48 hours

[img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] ack! you beat me to it headgehog!
YIPPEE!! YIPPEE!! YIPPEE!! [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
*[i]mary beth is doing her happy dance!!!!!![/i]* [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

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Originally posted by DalekTek790:
Last night I saw [i]Babylon 5: The Legend of the Rangers[/i] ([i]To Live and Die in Starlight[/i]), and I was not impressed.

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Why am I not suprised? I knew you’d be the first one to nit-pick. I think you’d nay-say the Second Coming. (Just kidding!)

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Originally posted by DalekTek790:
There is no way it could be enjoyed by anyone who has not followed [i]Babylon 5[/i]. They never explain what a Ranger is, or who the One is. We know this, but omitting those explanations limit their audience to people like us who are familiar with the universe.

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You need to give other intelligent speculative fiction fanatics more credit. I enjoy watching the occasional [i]Buffy The Vampire Slayer[/i] episode even though I know nothing of any story arc or background mythology.

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Originally posted by DalekTek790:
Captain Martel was well-developed, but he seems a little similar to Matthew Gideon.

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Captain Martel is like Captain Matthew Gideon who is like Captain Elizabeth Lochley who is like Captain John Sheridan who is like Commander Jeffrey Sinclair who is like Captain James Kirk who is like Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers who is like Horatio Hornblower, [i]etc., etc., ad nauseum…[/i]

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Originally posted by DalekTek790:
The new alien menace is just a rehash of the Shadows.

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JMS is probably pleased with your conclusion. He’s probably thinking, “Ha ha ha! They fell for it, hook, line, and sinker! The fans have no idea what’s coming.” It took them a long time to build up to the revelation of who and what the Shadows were. Do you think JMS would leave nothing to tell in subsequent movies/episodes?

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Originally posted by DalekTek790:
Of course the Drazi character is big and dumb, the traitor was the ugliest looking alien, and the bad guys are dressed all in black and you can’t see their faces (“looks like the new Divine Shadow host is a Vorlon”).

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Bad guys always wear black. It’s the law.

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Originally posted by DalekTek790:
There also seemed to be inconsistencies. They had a changeling net but called it a holosuit, and they referred to a parallel universe beyond hyperspace but never called it Thirdspace. And could someone explain to me why the jump points look different? For the entire run of [i]Babylon 5[/i] and [i]Crusade[/i] they were the same, but now they look like the beginning credits of [i]Doctor Who[/i]. Am I missing something?

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Behold a prime example of worthless nit-picking.

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Originally posted by DalekTek790:
G’Kar’s appearance seemed tacked on. I know they needed someone from the first series to launch this one, but wouldn’t Sheridan or Lennier be more logical? G’Kar just got annoying after a while. And that subplot with the telepathic echo of the dead crew didn’t work for me at all.

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I like G’Kar. I thought he fit into the story very well. His rapier wit always makes B5 more fun.

You didn’t like the subplot with the telepathic echo of the dead crew? But you bought the idea of Soul Hunters? And technomages? And Thirdspace? (And hyperspace, for that matter…)

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Originally posted by DalekTek790:
All in all, [i]Babylon 5: The Legend of the Rangers[/i] was the weakest of all the [i]Babylon 5[/i] T.V. movies, and I only hope the series that follows will be better than this unpromising lead.

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After all that complaining you are still going to watch the show. Typical.

Here I stand, looking at you Westerners and my eyes turn a green shade of envy. There you guys are, talking about Babylon 5:Legend Of The Rangers like the experts you are, and here I am, a poor Malysian sci-fi fan, having no idea what you are talking about….
I mean, A Call To Arms and Crusade were aired in 1999, but when did it arrive here?! Two-bloody-thousand-and-bloody-one, that’s when!

[b]WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH![/b]

[i]super_joe_yamaman collapses into a sobbing heap of gibbering flesh and starts chewing at the carpet like the looney bugger that he is.[/i]

To LexxLurker (koowall name, dat!)

Sorry I didn’t reply to your post earlier, but I was caught up in my frustration over the disturbing lack of sci-fi awareness in Malaysia. You wanted to know who exactly is ‘The One’? This mysterious ‘One’ just happens to be the first captain of Babylon 5, namely, Captain Jeffrey Sinclair. In the Babylon 5 arc, Jeffrey was stationed on Babylon 5 for a year before becoming ambassador to Mimbar, home of the Mimbari and making way for John Sheridan, whose tale is a damn good tale on it’s own. Around his third year (at least I think it was his third, it was in the fourth season after all) as ambassador, he recieved a letter to him from 1000 years in the past, from…[b]HIMSELF![/b] It was revealed that he would travel a thousand years back in time along with Babylon 4 in order to stop the marauding Shadows by forming the Anla-Shok, also known as the Rangers. While in the jouney back, he transformed himself into a Human/Mimbari hybrid and assumed the name Valen, a.k.a. ‘The One’. The Ranger credo, “WE LIVE FOR THE ONE, WE DIE FOR THE ONE” originates from their willingness to serve unto death the principles espoused by Valen. In this respect they are similar to the Templar of medieval times. Clear anything up?

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“We live for the One,
We die for the One.”
-The Ranger Credo

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Thanks mary beth, for adding those choice tidbits of info. I [b]REALLY[/b] should have remembered them, ‘cept for some reason, they completely slipped my mind. Damn, it must be the Devil at work here, [img]images/smiles/icon_mad.gif[/img] ‘cos normally I of all beings wouldn’t forget something as important like that.

Furious rant aside, I hope that these two posts have cleared up a few things for you, LexxLurker, but for the real deal, I suggest that you watch Babylon 5 itself, a spiritual journey of enlightenment if I ever had one. Forget freezing yer nadgers off on some 5,000 foot mountain with a name pronouncable only by people with names like Son Of Dawn Lobsang Tatyanarama, watch Babylon 5 from the beginning to end, and I guarantee you that you will emerge changed for the better. If you don’t, I’ll eat my Psi Corps uniform.

P.S. mary beth, when did we get on a first and second name basis ( “actually [i]super joe [/i]if my memory serves me correctly….)? I [i]am [/i] attached you know (heh, heh). [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]