DAMMIT ALL OF YOU, GIVE PEACE A CHANCE!
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Originally posted by SadGeezer:
Bollocks! (Meaning ‘I disagree’ It’s a Brit thing and not particularly insulting).
*I’m also a Brit and your right bollocks isn’t that insulting, however if someone posts a topic that concerns them or is close to their heart, then bollocks takes on a whole new meaning.
If I said to you how I felt about something that is dear to me or I felt strongly about, and you replied ‘Bollocks’ then I most certainly would take offence to that.
My post and the others reflect praise for the sadboard, feeling pride for being part of a culture that is unlike any other, your response essentially shot us down in flames.
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Originally posted by SadGeezer:
And now, the heart of the matter, I wasn’t disagreeing with Dilenia, I was disagreeing with the person who started the topic (super_joe_yammerman) – (I didn’t quote Dilenia). ‘Bollocks’ used to express my disagreement with the topic title.
*Super Joe was expressing an opinion based on how he views this board, in the same way I do, that it’s a good place to be, and that he feels that he didn’t contribute to the feel good factor this board gives compared to other sites.
Again he was directing praise at your site, and at the same time apologising for his previous posts that may have caused offence, so why you would disagree with that is beyond me.
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Originally posted by SadGeezer:
DAMMIT ALL OF YOU, THIS IS A PEACEFULL BOARD, people who flame (make personal attacks are edited and or banned). I am absolutely opposed to censorship under any other circumstances.
*No one is suggesting otherwise, we are stating the main point of interest which appeals to us about this board.
A lot depends on how you view a personal attack, it is a very fine line to tread.
The main point was that we all feel that negative behaviour should be discouraged to protect the integrity of the board, I think it’s safe to say that it’s a nice feeling to be part of something that has gained recognition on the internet, and whether you agree with it or not, the mood and general warmth that exists amongst it’s members is a contributing factor.
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Originally posted by SadGeezer:
From what I’ve read, everyone seems to be in general agreement (including me). My whole convoluted point is that this topic is ‘nuts’
*It comes down to actually discussing the board itself, the posts were in essence to show solidarity in the way we feel about this site, most of us look upon it as being more than just a place topics about Sci-fi, it’s a place where you make friends who like the same things.
To say it’s ‘nuts’ is effectively discouraging any attempts to make observations, whether positive or negative about the site, it almost sounds like you are simply not interested on what people think of the board, just think of it as a discussion of how some members feel.
You mention censorship, well I would prefer that rather than having our views put down by describing it as nuts.
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Originally posted by SadGeezer:
Super_joe made a mistake and was clobbered (post was edited by a moderator) for it! If anyone else does the same, it’ll happen to them too (and it has!).
*Fair comment, but Super Joe has the honesty and integrity to admit he was wrong, we forget it and move on.
But Super Joe was obviously unhappy that he done that and his post was to assure people he is not akin to trolls and the like, and the post was a frank apology.
Like me, he came here experiencing the worst the net can offer in terms of flaming and nastiness that can and does occur, adding that it’s unusual that you find somewhere where it doesn’t happen, because the underlying feel of the board maintains that it’s not neccessary, a kind of unwritten rule if you like, which we most of us feel makes the board a nice place to be, as we all would like to see this board get along.
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Originally posted by SadGeezer:
SadBOARD isn’t too agressive. It’s just right. [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
*Nobody said otherwise, simply stating that there are trolls out there that take advantage and play their little games for their own amusement, and as we feel that this site has remained troll free for so long, it would be nice to keep it that way.
posted 21-03-2002 01:28
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Originally posted by SadGeezer:
Bollocks! (Meaning ‘I disagree’ It’s a Brit thing and not particularly insulting).quote:
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Originally posted by Squishy:
Bollocks?…you’ve pretty much stated everything that Deliena said, basically don’t get personal.
——————————————————————————–Actually that’s not quite what I said. I don’t think that I explained it particularly well, but what I meant was; it’s very hard to tell the difference sometimes between ……. even worse, someone types a word which they don’t think is insulting and they get banned.
*Not at all, it’s common sense to know what can be deemed offensive, if the post isn’t littered with detrimental remarks it won’t be viewed as insulting.
With the odd exception of DT’s posts appearing slightly arrogant, I’ve yet to see the mainstay members post anything that is remotely insulting.
The simple rules are to not make it personal and refrain from using names (I was once guilty of that here, and it was quickly picked up, but in a nice way, which I appreciated), one word out of place is not going to make anyone think it’s an insult, unless the word was a swear word.
All that’s required is someone to say that the someones last post was harsh, and 99% of the time they would apologise and we move on, only when it’s clear that someone is out to atagonise should an issue be made out of it.
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Originally posted by SadGeezer:
(Bollocks is a good example. It isn’t a swearword – not where I come from anyway.)quote:
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I would say that Dt’s and Alecks views are for the best part well thought out and tend not to overstep into insults, i.e swearing and outright name-calling.
But we have had people who don’t have an argument, but just wish to antagonise others, that’s when it’s bollocks.——————————————————————————–
No it isn’t bollocks, it’s breaking the rules and for the most part, those people were dealt with. It must have worked because there have been very few instances since.
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I completely agree with Deliena on this, what attracts people here is the lack of flaming, but it sounds like you are happy to go with that so long as it doesn’t get personal, yet you can still flame someone without resorting to insults.
I can understand your desire to allow a certain amount of things to fly, as most lively debates involve heated discussion and is no doubt good for the board, but it’s still the good natured people here that on the whole makes this a good place to come too…lose that and your board won’t seem so appealing.——————————————————————————–
I don’t quite understand. We don’t allow flaming on this board!?
*Not many boards do, but it happens nonetheless, all I’m saying is that it’s not difficult to see where some posts are heading and maybe if that happens the post could be shut down before it did get nasty.
All that’s been said is praise for the way the board does not fall into the gutter like so many others, and really congratulating the members who do not allow that to be the case.
Above all else, it’s about why we are here, because there is a feeling of friendship and why people like Deliena find it so appealing.
The Net is full of porn and other rubbish, this site stands proud because there are not too places like it left, many people spend time trawling the net to find a place where commonsense and good natured banter occurs and never find it, so to some this site is a bit like their own personal nirvana or paradise, god knows when you leave work and the abuse that some people put up with in their daily lives, you just want to find a place where you can chill and just enjoy comments by like minded people that are unlikely to skin you alive for saying what you feel.
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I’m not sure how you feel about this, or whether in fact you care for the impression your board gives, but you would do well to remember that finding a site/forum that is devoid of people attacking each other left, right and centre is a very rare thing on the net nowadays…and it is also coveted.
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So, did you just flame me then? You insinuated that I may not care about the impression SadBOARD gives on the net. I’ve spent 4 years and a lot of money trying to develop the site to what it is today. I care very much about the visitors, registered users and the moderators. [/qb][/quote]
*Not at all, view it as an indirect question, I have no idea how much time you spend on your own site, and some people who have sites don’t have the time to monitor how it is being run.
The point was to gauge an opinion on whether you’d agree with what had been posted, i.e, whether you realise why some people come here, that’s not to say you are uncaring, more to say that you may not understand the reasoning for it.
Take Jens’ post, we all defended you, not as a kneejerk reaction to the way she put it, more that it was a show of admiration for what this site means to it’s members, i.e an attack on you is as much an attack on the board as a whole.
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Originally posted by SadGeezer:
Maybe I could have taken what you said as insulting. Of course you weren’t being insulting You were arguing (quite passionately I think) vigilance in moderation when it comes to flaming and bickering. But Squishy, you yourself could have inadvertently caused offence
*If my post had been on the whole one where I questioned you or your abilities then yes it could be viewed as such, but aside from that one bit you highlighted, I don’t think there was anything to suggest my aim was to offend you.
But yes it is a question of vigilance, I would hate to leave here because it had degenerated to the level seen on Sci-Fi, as I come here to escape that sort of nonsense, if you or the moderators saw that happening then we would hope that you would do all that is possible to discourage it, otherwise many would lose interest, including me.
I scolded Bonnee, because I felt he was verging on being a troll, there is a difference between trolls and flamers, trolls are much more succint in the way they go about things, flamers are in your face.
But trolls are more of a problem than those who flame, they don’t do anything that obvious, and they will always back down when confronted, but they will always intend to atagonise, this usually results in everyone going on the attack, as some will see the troll as the victim and others will see right through them, and the trolls aim is complete, they love playing psychological warfare and enjoy nothing more than pitting others against each other.
And in taht instance vigilance is required, otherwise your members will feel agrieved that the moderators or yourself has not done enough to prevent it and they won’t come back, and then it spreads by word of mouth that Sadgeezer is a no-go due to the constant bickering that goes on, it happens a lot, sites that depend on their traffic close and are never heard of again.
I would say that Dt’s and Alecks views are for the best part well thought out and tend not to overstep into insults, i.e swearing and outright name-calling.
But we have had people who don’t have an argument, but just wish to antagonise others, that’s when it’s bollocks.
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Originally posted by SadGeezer:
No it isn’t bollocks, it’s breaking the rules and for the most part, those people were dealt with. It must have worked because there have been very few instances since.
*What i meant by my use of the word bollocks, is that it is uneccessary for people to behave in that fashion.
*It’s just my wish that Saddy’s doesn’t go the way of Sci-fi.
You may notice that many of us (including mods) our quick to jump on any new member who will post something offensive or are acting inpolitely, but it is done in a friendly and polite way, thus hoping that we can keep the general feeling of a friendly place here. For instance, we have all in the past tried to make DT understand that his posts can lead to a wrong reaction, even if he does not mean to do so, but it’s nothing personal against him, and for most of us, it’s enjoyable reading Alecks and Dt’s battle of wits, as that’s all it is, but we have never swore at him or attacked him in a personal fashion, as most of us do like him, and like everyone else he is treated as a friend amongst friends.
During the sept 11 crisis we all came together as a community to share our feelings, and I wanted to show my support as well, those are the times the board transcends just being another site.
None of us were afraid to show openly how we felt at that time, and that shows what a good community this is.
Squishy
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