Taking the moral lowground….
I’m not sure I like where this is going. I’m afraid that now Valdron thinks that I’m an argumentative nut or something. I’ll try to make what follows as friendly as possible. I don’t want another out-of-control off-topic argument.
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Originally posted by Dgrequeen:
My real point is, I don’t mind a little violence or a little sex if it has a point and advances the story. It bothers me not at all to see two people making love (as opposed to merely having sex). But when it comes to pointless graphic sex or pointless bloody violence, I’d just as soon not watch.
I agree.
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Originally posted by Flamegrape:
Just look at the Taliban for the worst example of misogynistic abuse. [img]images/smiles/icon_mad.gif[/img]
I have two questions for you, Flame:
1. What does the Taliban have to do with this?
2. Why do you feel the need to mention the Taliban in every other post?
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Originally posted by Aleck:
The amusing thing in the second half of this thread is the assumption DT made that I’m talking about him (which is incorrect).
You were talking about me, indirectly. You were saying things to provoke me.
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Originally posted by Aleck:
DT, you believe that morality is hard-wired into our brains. A theory, BTW, which you have yet to support with any documentation (I mean, after all, remember what Carl Sagan said about claims and evidence…oh, and I don’t accept anything by Meyers, as he is using religious faith as a justification for outmoded, if not harmful, psychological theorizing and is, thusly, invalid). Of course, despite all of the evidence cited which points to the inborn nature of sexuality, you refuse to believe *that*, which is curious, but another story.
I have not seen any evidence of religious faith in my psychology textbook by David G. Myers. It says certain things that go against my philosophy, but besides that I don’t see any evidence of bias. It’s not like it’s just some book by Myers (and that is how it’s spelled), it’s a textbook. So it’s essentially just reporting the findings of others and the beliefs of the psychological community as a whole. And if it were really inaccurate or contrary to the mainstream I doubt it would be a widely used college psychology textbook.
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Originally posted by Aleck:
You do this by bringing a discussion about the hardwiring of “morality” into our brains into a talk about the censoring of nudity and sexuality, and using them as examples. Your argument is that it’s for “survival.” Tell me, then, how can an inborn sense to be revolted by sexuality be in *any* way tied to survival?
It’s to prevent overpopulation. I’ve been reading these essays by Richard Harter and Jared Diamond that say that it is generally accepted that our concepts of morality are inherited instincts.
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Originally posted by Valdron:
Recently, I got to see scenes from IWHS, an American edit, and there were these amazingly grotesque scenes of Lex G’s skull being sliced open and a machine physically removing his brain. That wasn’t shown in Canada, and perhaps not many other countries.If I had the choice of showing one of these scenes to my children, I have no doubt whatsoever which scene it would be. Frankly, I don’t have the patience to coddle months of screaming nightmares about brains being ripped out of heads.
That scene wasn’t included in Canada? Crazy purists. I love that scene! I know it’s a little scientifically inaccurate, since the body moves after the brain has been removed, but it is ultimately a wonderfully conceived and artfully executed sequence. I mean come on, a brain removed by machine (with a circular saw and robot fingers and everything!) from a living, unanesthetized patient, who willingly subjected himself to the process. That is what science fiction is all about, surreal situations like that which an ordinary person would’ve never even dreamed of. It’s like the alien in [i]Alien[/i], æsthetically appealing while at the same time gruesomely disquieting. Kudos to the Beans for that visual treat!
Besides, it’s pertinent to the plot, and with it cut out later scenes don’t make sense. The brain excision sequence was a little creepy, but it didn’t induce actual feelings of disgust or repulsion in me, like the Zev shower still. I keep retracing my thoughts on that image logically in my head, from different angles, and I keep coming up with the same reaction.
I wonder, does the [i]I Worship His Shadow[/i] D.V.D. include that scene?