Vlad the elder=Time Prophet
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Originally posted by Aleck:
This is the *very* first time that DT has *ever* quoted evidence to support his theory, and as I suspected, it’s pretty shaky evidence to begin with. You’ve said everything I would have said, and better. As you’ve said, the only thing I think his being placed into an unclean human host resulted in was that it allowed him to make extremely grave errors that allowed him to be killed. It didn’t make him *evil*, as he already *was*…all of the plans he had set into motion up to that point can be characterized as evil, and the influence of the host mind just allowed him to be more *insane.* His plans were no longer hidden well behind veils of lies and deceit, their exposure is now risked because of the irrational actions of this HDS.
And, need I add that as usual, the evidence provided by DT is, for the most part, *speculation*? Which means that once again, a theory of his is being built upon gossamer. There’s no substance.
Oh, never listen to ol’ Lee. He’s off his rocker, sein’ Insects. [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img] I’m sick of this shabby treatment! My opinions are just as valid as the next man’s, and my theories are all [b]based on the most logical interpretation of events and dialog[/b] on the show. You’re just too busy contradicting and misrepresenting me to seriously consider my points. I’ve brought all this up before, but you dismissed it out of hand.
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Originally posted by Squishy:
DT, seems to think we miss all that goes on in Lexx and states the obvious.
It’s apparently not that obvious since Aleck missed it completely.
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Yes we know that HDS last incarntion was affected by the bad job the clerics made of the new body’s cleansing, and that HDS insect essence changed from being a cold, but sensible villian, into a sadistic, warped HDS.
[b]Then what are we arguing about!?![/b] In this post you essentially agree with everything I say then insist I’m still wrong.
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Originally posted by Sgt. Draino:
Actually, my impression was that the incomplete cleansing has left this particular Divine Shadow 75% bonkers. It’s not really killing with any purpose, it’s just killing for the sake of killing.
That’s what I say. We’re pretty much in agreement, here. His Shadow as the Divine Order leader was never the nicest of guys. He just had a logical plan for rebuilding his race and punishing the race that conducted the genocide. Then he was like the Cyber Leader, honorable and coldly logical. But then he hooked up with the psycho bald tatooed Lex Gigeroff host. Then he became like the Davros, unstable and sadistic.
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The nutty HDS was essential to making the story work. A normal HDS would have never allowed Heretics to board the Lexx so easily, would never have put the Predecessors on the Lexx, and would have sent every Divine Assassin he had after them EXCEPT the Last of the Brunnen-G. In short, if HDS hadn’t been so nutty, our heroes never could have pulled off their escape, and we’d have no TV show!
Again, complete agreement.
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First off, neither His Shadow nor his Predecessors are “fully Insect.” By this, I mean their agenda is not the same as the Insect agenda. The Insect has “programmed” them with an agenda that will ultimately serve it, but not one that is purely Insect in nature. The Divine Order’s primary goal is conquest of humans, the Insects’ primary goal is the extinction of humans.
His Shadow and his Predecessors are not aware that their essence comes from an Insect, and they don’t really know what the Giga Shadow is. That’s why they spout off the same old answer every time. Programming.
I disagree with that. The Divine Predecessors retein part of the human personality of the hosts, but are mostly Insect. The Cluster, Divine Order, and Insect goals are one and the same, since they were all created by the same person. The only possible difference is in how the public perceives them. I certainly believe all the Divine Shadows knew they were Insects. At least some of the clerics and bio-viziers knew as well. Mantrid seems quite aware that His Shadow was Insect all along, and the clerics knew exactly what the Divine Rebirth was. Some people had to know about the Divine Order’s Insect roots, otherwise the plan couldn’t work. But only an élite sect. Real hush-hush.
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You mean after the Giga Shadow awakes? No, he kills them all because all the Predecessors are still somewhat human. They are human brains, and as a completely reborn Insect, his agenda became to destroy all human kind.
Another disagreement. The brains were more fully Insect than him. They knew the original agenda, and the original agenda had all them being assimilated into the Giga Shadow. That’s why they’re so glad he’s come. After the essence entered an uncleansed human host, the remaining host part was inextricably bonded to it. That’s why the Insect in [i]The Giga Shadow[/i], the disembodied essence in [i]Mantrid[/i], and Dr. Longbore in [i]Texx Lexx[/i] (okay, that last one is sort of speculative, but the others illustrate my point) were voiced by Walter Borden. The characteristics from the last host were carried with the essence, and could only be diluted by the passage into later Divine Shadow hosts, which never happened because of the premature Divine Cleansing.
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He tried to speed up the process of the Divine Rebirth because the Insect hibernating inside the Cluster made him. The Insect knew the Lexx was in the hands of its enemies, and wanted to be on the move asap, before the Lexx could come along and blow it up.
I don’t think the Insect body made him do anything. I don’t think it knew anything. Mantrid said an Insect without essence was like a computer without programming. The Insect body didn’t think, it didn’t feel, it had no self-awareness or consciousness. Only its involuntary systems were functional. It was dormant. All the thoughts, memories, everything were in the Gigeroff/Borden brain. It wasn’t ready to be reborn, but was forced into coming out prematurely by the psychotic Divine Shadow. The power to destroy whole planets is insignificant compared to the awesome might of the Giga Shadow. The Lexx was for assisting the essence in its human host. It was of no use or threat after the Divine Rebirth. His Shadow just wanted revenge.
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Hence, HDS was “good” for a few minutes, while the essence was still inside a brain of which the evil section was destroyed. But after Kai crushed the brain, and the essence left, back to total evil Insect again.
I didn’t quite understand that scene, but I’m pretty sure it was a ruse.
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Did Jeffrey Hirschfield play the voice of Kai-killing HDS? I didn’t know that! He did a really good job! In some ways, I like that HDS voice even better than Walter Borden!
I’m not sure if Jeff was actually in the suit, but that was definately his voice in the [i]Fore Shadow[/i] scene and the brain conversation. The great thing about Jeffrey Hirschfield is none of his voices sound alike! You’d never notice the Divine Shadow in 790, the 790 in the Divine Predecessor, or either in the Potataho’en astronaut. Still, I think Walter Borden is one of the greatest vocal actors of all time. As His Divine Shadow/Dr. Longbore he sounds part Avery Brooks, part James Earl Jones, and part Stephen Hawking. Then as the Wozard he has a completely different voice that you would never recognize as His Shadow unless you knew it was the same vocalist. I know it didn’t make a bit of sense having Walter as the voice in [i]Brigadoom[/i], but I like him there anyway. It’s dramatic liscense. [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by Zarathustra:
I am curious as to what your beliefs are that make you think such impossible, when they are quite a few who’d debate you on the matter.
After the Big Crunch when our entire universe is collapsed into a tiny black hole, it’s quite conceivable that the micro-universe will then explode again in another Big Bang. However, given all the variables, it is infinitely improbable that the new universe will repeat the development of the last universe. The new Big Bang would form galaxies with stars and planets and life and civilizations, but they would be [b]different[/b] galaxies and stars and planets and life and civilizations. There isn’t any force that says things [b]have[/b] to happen a certain way, the formation and evolution of a universe is governed only by the laws of physics.
I’m not sure how pleased the topic originator is over this thread’s change in discussion. [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
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