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Lexxlurker’s excellent review of [url=/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=Reviews&file=index&req=showcontent&id=731]Flesh and Bone [/url]has been added to the database.
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Hummm, interesting review. It almost makes me want to watch it. 😆
More interesting though was Jamie Balmer being cast in this show. Interesting choice, he looks and has a lot of the facial expressions of the original Apollo. His previous work on the Hornblower series did not display the annoyance factor that the original Apollo actor use to sprinkle in every performance, so perhaps there is hope for this show.
[quote=”thefrey”]His previous work on the Hornblower series did not display the annoyance factor that the original Apollo actor use to sprinkle in every performance, so perhaps there is hope for this show.[/quote]
I don’t think it really mattered who was cast as Apollo. It seems with every episode that that character has seen ever decreasing screen time!
Thanks to Headge for the pictures and clean-up 😉
One thing I didnt add, and it’s VERY interesting…
Leo told Starbuck “Your role is to deliver me unto God”. Keeping in mind that Starbuck had *nothing* to do with his death, who did she deliver him to?
Starbuck delivered him to Roselin
Leo was in total awe in front of Roselin, and even embraced her almost tearfully when he whispered to her at the end.
And how did Roselin have those dreams with Leo when they had never met? Moreover why was it human soldiers chasing her down in her dream and her only ally was a cylon?
Not saying anything more than that! 😈 Food for thought.
Yes, it is that crazy a theory 😆
The transcript can be found [url=http://www.sadgeezer.com/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=Reviews&file=index&req=showcontent&id=752]here[/url].
[quote=”Headgehog”]
I don’t think it really mattered who was cast as Apollo. It seems with every episode that that character has seen ever decreasing screen time![/quote]
I would expect to see more character centric episodes in season 2. Season 1 was too short to develop/showcase all the characters and their back story/background.
RDM appears to have focused the bulk of character development/background on 3 characters in Season 1: Baltar, Boomer, and Starbuck. Those characters have become popular, so it’s the other characters turn to be highlighted in the first part of Season 2 or at least sprinkled in during the upcoming season. Plus RDM has to answer some of the cliffhangers and twists he left viewers with at the end of season 1 and that could take the better part of season 2.
I just learned earlier last week that Jamie Bamber was out on paternity leave while most of the early episodes were being filmed, hence his reduced role in the recent episodes.
“Let the games begin” * claps and rubs her her hands together in a Karate Kid movie move and poises her fingers over the keys.
Some peeps, some peeps never learn do they? 😆 If it’s not in front of their noses they don’t believe anything you say. I read other BB’s and it is this way now it was this way then and will always be with our kind. Funny, though they do not know they are puppets on a string then when it comes to they motion under the surface of things.
Yes, sometimes what can be seen is just what is there; it’s appearance. A cigar is a cigar. However, there are many other things that cannot be seen with the naked eye. And it is IMO very typical to resort to label something to understand it, and while labeling it, projecting emotions upon it. For example, Adama labels Leoben. Is this soo bad? Depends on the situation. The result was the same, Leoben ended up dead. Did he complete the mission which was sabotage, absolutely! Is he evil? Depends on which side of the fence you ride. if Leoben had nothing to exploit, then he would be evil but none of these characters are perfect. Truth and Lies,
so what is true….
There was a war 40 yrs before, the Cylons lost
The Cylons nuked the 12 planets.
The remainder of the Colonists are fleeing and trying to find Earth.
The Cylons look humanWhat is assumed true
that Cylons are not lifeforms but machines
their only purpose is to destroy the rest of humanity (nope)
they are evil, and manipulate and lie.Ah but Adama lied about Earth
Socinus lied about the hatch door
Roslin lied to LeobenWhy aren’t they evil? Accused of trying to manipulate, mislead, and separate. Why is separating the ships for a nuke search more dangerous than looking for Starbuck? Oh, but one involves a “Cylon” and one a human.
Why is talking about “God” and a belief system that belongs to a Cylon more dangerous than talking about a pantheon of gods? Because the former is radically opposed (but not really) to prevalent thinking.
it all rests where you are in relation to the situation. If you could do what Leoben said he could do, which is to float above it all, and not be invested in one way or the other, who would look more human to you, the Cylons or the Colonials. And human not in physicality but in the higher elements of understanding, intelligence, mercy, justice?
I suppose you could label me as a Cylon too at times and at times human because at times I feel emotional and angry and scared, very strong emotions, and we react many times through these emotions, but if given time we transcend them and got to a Roslin state, which to me is brilliant. You take the line as far as it will go and you cut your losses and move on.
You cannot be anything you do not allow yourself to be. May be Adama should have told Starbuck this instead of the “this is a tricky Cylon” routine. I’ve been called some awful things in my life and I react like most humans, with anger, with hurt… but then I step back and say to myself….”Is it true? Do i believe it?” I run it through a couple of times, look at it from their angle… what my words and actions may have conveyed to them. Then i either accept or reject it and if they were wrong, I forgive them because they don’t know me. they have issues going on, they are frightened, or angry or jealous of me, or projecting, and I move on.
Just my spiel.
Oh and Lexxlurker and Headgehog, I’ve read lots of reviews on 2-3 BSG BB before and i have to say you write some of the best ones out there. There isn’t the pandering to the TOS or the extra propaganda you get on the pro-TNS sites 🙄 they are funny, well though out, and personable. i love the reference to SW in The Hand of God and the comparison btn you and Baltar when working in the lab.
Thank you and like i said it is good to be here to be comfy again
*Spoilers*
Again, i was thinking about this “Adama is a Cylon-bit” in the dream sequence and like LL review i think Leoben proved to be right in a matter of speaking.
*spoilers*
A Cylon in physicality is a machine now made to look human, a Cylon in mind is a man like Adama or a militaristic look at the world. Funny, after reading the spoiler here, how they tested the mechanical part of Adama and disregarded the mind bit which played itself out at the end.The true line between machine and man is played out here, what makes a man, what makes a machine. We often here of a “war” machine”, i think Adama is this, and the children of this :machine” came back to take a swing at the parent. Do you think Adama will change through this? Will he be even more anti-Cylon, or will he change. He barely could control the anger with a dead Cylon.
What is the answer here? Was it only the human hybrid the Cylons wanted, or a race of them with humans their new gene pool? Adama needs some kamala root and Roslin needs to be weaned off hers and they can meet in the middle somewhere. it’s really scary to think as Tigh in the command of the military and Baltar running the government.
I’d revolt with the pilots, vipers or anything and anyone I’d could get my hands on and not with Zarek. If Lee could show me the law, the way of freedom of sppech and thought, I’d follow him. I’d be behind Roslin but though I have mystic runnung through my veins (and we ALL do) bottom line i don’t follow prophecies, I give them an ear and let them flow through but i go back to common sense and reason. My reaction to prophecies is thus, “huh, it was correct, interesting… what’s next.”
Balance, a balance of practical reason, common sense and the awareness of life and its qualities. it is said that those in power got there from meritorious work done not only in this life but in past lives including not telling a lie, but when finally gifted with the fruit of their good work they are swayed by the forces of greed and power to create evil, they say the light is snuffed out.
It is said that countries with good rulers have people that have not let the poisons of greed, anger and stupidity overtake their land, and not only are they at peace but their land is at peace. They are not two different lands one of peace one of strife, they are controlled by the collective mind of it’s people.
So if you want peace you should begin by making your own mind peaceful, then your home peaceful, your community peaceful, your state, your country. If something stands in your way to your own peace, it’s better to not blame others as we are wont to do but to root out the evil in your own mind and then see how it changes.
It is said that to be a regular person in this day and age is better than being a personage of import in the past to be free of the ties that bind to evil. Evil as in greed, corruption, attachment to things, currying favor, arrogance. I am so grateful i am free of this, yet because I am not I am considered inferior by many. No matter, absolute happiness is mine, not the relative kind that is fleeting and temporary.
Sorry OT but is it? Will the Colonists find peace? They think it is a geological place, like Earth. We can tell them different, can’t we? Peace is not a physical destination, you can’t relocate and find peace, your state will follow you wherever you go. How many of us go to a place we think is paradise like on a vacation but if we lived there it quickly becomes not so magical?
Sorry, about the thesis on peace! 😳
Whoa, lots of good thoughts there. I’m a little busy with school for the next couple days, but after that I’ll be able to post a better and more thought out response (I just don’t want you to think that you’re being ignored).
Lexxlurker:I think we’ve got your first convert here. 😉
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Thanks Headge and don’t let me rush you, school can be a tough road!
You don’t mind if i blab a little more, do you?
And LL, I’m only saying what i see as true. It was a bore to read the extremes of some reviews, it was crap or it was the next greatest thing to sliced bread. Nothing or no one is perfect including 6 and the Cylons; and the feeling is we will find this out in season 2.
I will lose my cookies if the imperious leader and that ship of light thing comes out and all everyone is rattling on about now is Pegasus and Commander Cain. Watch, how convenient, Adama is down, they find Pegasus and Commander Cain takes over but like Cain and Abel…. Cain and Adama don’t see eye to eye and Cain wants to go one way, Adama, from his sickie bed through Tigh want to go another. A Civil military war with the Colonials in the middle. That has always got me, war has for a long time been less than civil. The only thing that would interest me in this scenario is a underground movement. Zarek could lead this but secretly, and go ship to ship converting Colonists. Or a secret understanding btn Roslin and Zarek while the military duke it out for power.
Would Cain back Roslin or Adama? Would they go with the scrolls, or not? Will they chase their own tails across the galaxies or find a plan. Without a plan of life, isn’t that what we do, chase our own tail?
The Cylons must be laughing heartily at all of the Colonist’s shenanigans. Though there is talk that a device kept them communicating, how did Shelly G disappear? Is it all one mass illusion, a trick of the mind, a common dream of destruction when actually all is fine, like an EMP pulse, will Alice wake up from wonderland? No, that’s too incredible, but I’m smiling like a cheshire cat that got the cream.
They say that our lives are dreams within dreams, and that in the beginning there was mind. Just as man was a child thus the images and thoughts of children once were prominent, but one day you put the child’s thoughts away. There are times, and this may be strange to most, that as a collective essence of all man, that we too did this, we woke up from our child/animal state and became mind. A mind that yearned for more, that searched for “who Am I” where do i come from. it is the maturity of mind that keeps us linked. We all must grow together, and separately.
[quote=”LexxLurker”]
And how did Roselin have those dreams with Leo when they had never met? Moreover why was it human soldiers chasing her down in her dream and her only ally was a cylon?
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I believe it was a prophetic dream, showing her on Kobol, with Leo having a message to give her – about her being the one finding Earth through Kobol, by way of believing his words related through Starbuck; with the human soldiers in the dream being the ones coming to arrest her in Kobol’s Last Gleaming 2.
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