After the Fallout, Your Opinions please
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Now weve all seen all of Seasons 1 to 4 which do you think was the best season overall? the best episode? the worst season?
Best Season: 4th
Best Episode: [i]4.24 Yo Way Yo[/i]
Worst Season: 1st(You made me pick. I love them all.)
[img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]Season/Series 1:
A very good start. I think I rate it lower than the other season because of not liking Zev that much. And I think MM and BD hadn’t quite got into Kai and Stan yet. Just lots of little things that stack up. Nothing big. Still better than just about anything else.
Best episode:Giga Shadow
Worst episode:Eating Pattern
Average Episode Rating:8.25Season/Series 2:
Only slightly better than Season 1. It gets weighed down by having a mix of great episodes and some not as great episodes.
Best Episode:Norb
Worst Episode:Terminal
Average Episode Rating:8.31Season/Series 3:
Best season overall. I think it would be wrong to call it an improvement over the first two seasons. It’s just different. And I think that’s what’s appealing about it.
Best Episode:Heaven & Hell
Worst Episode:Girltown
Average Episode Rating:10.0Season/Series 4:
My only complaint is that in the end it seems kinda long. Other than that it was good as any other season.
Best Episode:Yo Way Yo
Worst Episode:A Midsummer’s Nightmare(probably the worst episode of the series.)
Average Episode Rating:9.54When I think about why I loved Lexx I have to think about why I watched it in the first place. It was different. I think I remember(no really I think I’m pretty sure I remember) seeing a SFC promo a few months befored it aired and I thought: “Man that looks weird…bet it gets cancelled quick.”
When I saw the episodes scifi chose to air I loved the show but was still almost certain that scifi wouldn’t continue to air the episodes because it was too out there.
At that point I also didn’t think the show had any story too it. Scifi only was airing the “sex” episodes and that’s what the show felt like. But I’m very glad that there were other fans of the show who watched and that we got to see the entire series.Thank you Scifi Channel!
I know we should hate the SFC for many reasons(unless of course you don’t live in Americaland) but without them we would never have got to see the entire series. No other network in the US would’ve aired Lexx I assure you.
[ 29-04-2002: Message edited by: Reveal7 ]
Hmmm
The best episodes? There’s too many to choose from.
I think that I would pick “I Worship His Shadow” as the best ever. “Gigashadow” for its epic quality. “Lyekka” for surrealism.
“Eating Pattern” for atmosphere. “Norb” for excitement. “Wake the Dead” for the fun.
“Mort”, “Girltown”, “Stan Down”, “Xevivor,”
“791”, “Game”, “Twilight”, “Trip”, “Brigadoom” and definitely “Yo Ay Oh.”The worst? Midsummer’s Nightmare by a country mile, failing spectacularly on just about every level. Love Grows scrapes the bottom of any barrel.
The best seasons were the first or maybe the second. The worst, for me was season four,
basically, sloppy writing, sloppy direction, not nearly enough time to do it properly. Great sets, good effects, usually good performances, but generally wandering and unfocused in the middle.Personally for me the best Season was Season 3. Though that only occured to me on a second full viewing.
Season 1 was excellent and had little wrong with it but seems now to be the forgotten season.
Season 2 was generally good but like Season 4 had a couple of plodding episodes but it did give us “Brigadoom” etc.
Season 3 was probably the most serious of the 4 seasons and didnt seem right on the first viewing but as a series it is probably the best.
Season 4 was excellent but did have 2 or 3 episodes which could be described as the worst Lexx episodes of all time but did have some stunning episodes too. Personally I liked “Midsommers Nightmare”. Very funny.
The Best episode overall is probably “Yo Way Yo” closely followed by “Vlad” or “The Game” or “Brigadoom” or “I Worship His Shadow”.
Worst episode, one of the episodes around the “Bad Carrot” period of Season 4. There were a bunch of episodes together that just seemed a little pointless and a bit too farcial. It was like watching bad pantomime at times. But it picked up again towards the end for a spectacular ending.
i only saw season 4 and Brigadoom [img]images/smiles/icon_sad.gif[/img] can anyone bribe Sci-Fi to re-air the show??? please?
the best episode of season 4 was the last one…..no doubt about thatquote:
Originally posted by Ineffable:
i only saw season 4 and Brigadoom [img]images/smiles/icon_sad.gif[/img] can anyone bribe Sci-Fi to re-air the show??? please?
the best episode of season 4 was the last one…..no doubt about that
They are apparently going to continue to air the episodes(just season 4 for right now)
at the sunday night/monday morning time slot.
Since they have the rights to episodes they will most likely eventually starting airing season 2 and 3 at that time slot as well.As far as prime time slot goes…don’t hold your breath.
I was a late comer to Lexx, but when I bought a couple of tapes at a con and got to see what it was like unedited I was hooked and hooked big time. In my quest for Lexx I got a vcr that plays tapes from all over the world and then I discovered Black Star in the UK. I saw all of season 3 before it showed on Sci Fi. I can hardly wait for tapes or dvds to come out on this, the last season. Overall, I’d have to say I liked season 3 the best. IWHS, Giga Shadow in #1, Love Grows, Terminal, Nook and Brigadoom were my faves in #2, Gondola, K-Town, The Beach and Heaven and Hell for #3. As for the last season, Midsummer’s Nightmare (I watched them make it), Vlad, Fluff Daddy Magic Baby and Yo Ay Yo. Overall rating for season 4 7.75.
[ 29-04-2002: Message edited by: nwmonikr ]
I absolutely loved the series 1 movies, with IWHS and GiggaShadow being my favs.
Series 2 was pretty good with “Brigadoom” topping the list. However, I was somewhat disappointed by the way Kai’s character seemed to change from the movies. In the movies, he was clearly becoming emotionally aware and I expected Xev’s love for him to draw out his “personality” making him “alive” even though he was physically dead. Instead, as the show progressed (through series 3) he became even more distant, emotionless, and frankly I got tired of hearing him rattle off “The dead do not …” list all the time. I was wondering exactly what it was the dead actually did, and couldn’t find an answer. By the time series 3 ended, I was getting bored with the Xex/Kai relationship ( or lack thereof ) but hung on for the ride anyway. The last scene in “Heaven and Hell” whetted my appetite for more Lexx.
Unfortunately I actually stayed around to watch several series 4 episodes, becoming more and more distressed with the direction the series seemed to be headed in. The “Kai” of GiggaShadow never re-emerged until the final ep, and then it was too late.
I had been a die-hard Lexx fan, but by the middle of series 4, I just couldn’t take it anymore and started missing eps, catching only the last 20 minutes or so, and then turned the VCR off altogether. Funny thing was the other women I knew who were big fans of Lexx (series 1,2,3) had basically the same reaction to season 4. What happened to Kai?
Initially I blamed Michael McMannus, figureing he just wasn’t putting forth the effort needed to portray Kai as the “tortured soul waiting to be redeamed by a woman’s love” anymore. His lines were becoming stale, and there was no emotional “spark” anywhere in his delivery of them. The look in his eyes was as “dead” as his character was supposed to be. Without any sense of an emerging personality or a continuation of his emotional awakening, Kai became little more than a part of the scenery. Michael McMannus is certainly one of the most beautiful males the human race has ever produced, but it takes more than a pretty face to keep people interested. However, the final ep made me realize that McMannus had the ability all the time, he just wasnt directed to portray the character that way. During the last “farewell” I once again saw the Kai of Giggashadow emerge. The look in his eyes, the tone of his voice, it was all present. It was also too little, too late.
Had the powers that be allowed McMannus to develop this “Kai”, Lexx would have indeed kept the “contract” it had with its movie audience and I suspect a lot of VCR’s, including my own, would have stayed on. TV works on ratings, and rating require an audience to stay with a show. I’m one of the fans that caused it to fail, because I (and many others like me no doubt) simply stopped watching it. For those of you who enjoyed the show and would have liked it to continue, I appologize for being part of the reason it was cancelled. For me Lexx ended long before the Finale aired, and I was already sad to see it go. It had so much potential.
As for the finale: the final wrap up (though probably one of the best written eps of series 4) smelled just a little much like the set up for a sequel, than the final ep of the show.
Stan never did have to make the ultimate decision (to save Kai and Xev by sacraficing himself) that would have proved him a man instead of a mouse. Of course this leaves Stan as a possible returning character in a sequel. And the devil (prince) was let loose in the playground (the dark zone), so the spin off will have a villian. Kai came back to physical life and then dies, which means that Xev would never have had to deal with the true question the series posed in the first place. What is the nature of life and love? Only by loving the “dead” kai could Xev answer unequivocably that life and love is of the spiritual realm, not the physical. So in the end, the show wrapped itself up more as a potential spin off (without Michael McMannus, who I am assuming became as bored with his character as I was and simply quit.) than a true conclusion. What a waste.
I will keep and cherish the series 1 movies and probably some of series 2,3 eps as well, but I’d frankly rather forget that series 4 ever happened at all. It was a great ride for a while, but a disappointing and uninteresting ending.
I wish the writers had had the guts to “cross the line” and truely explore what love is, but I suppose there are some taboos that must remain untreadupon. As the “spirits” of Brigadoom said Lexx was the “Story of Kai…”. Without the guts to go THERE, this show was doomed to failure. If a sequel does come about, count me out.
From what I can tell, it wasn’t that McManus was held back from developing the kind of Kai you wanted to see. Indeed, judging from the accounts I’ve heard, he wanted Kai to stay as dead as possible.
If the gist of the show for you was the Xev/Kai relationship, then you were bound to be disappointed, as the show was never really about that to begin with. Sorry you were disappointed.
–Aleck
Gotta agree with Addy on this one, there was huge potential for Lexx to begin with, the movies are classic, but seem so far removed form what Lexx had become.
The movies felt like movies, big and done with interest, the storyline was magnificent and reminiscent of Star Wars, they were truly groundbreaking.
Then we went into the series, and that feel from the movies was lost, but Lexx still had enough in it to make it interesting, but the movies was the hook for many.
S3 had some great moments, but they went hand in hand with some truly cheap looking and bizarrely written eps, but there was still a freshness in it and Lexx still had something to offer.
S4 had moved completely away from what we saw in the movies, choosing comedy over it’s initial nature, unfortunately for a sci-fi programme this format was doomed to failure.
If there is a spin-off then both the elements of the movies and the comedy needs to be combined seemlessly, if it can’t that then it also will be doomed to failure.
Although I admire the beans for doing what they wanted, it worked against the wishes of many fans who wanted Lexx to stand proud.
Newbies were obviously confused about what Lexx was, seeing a midsummers nights dream must have been awful for a newbie, I can imagine them thinking that if this was what Lexx had to offer then I’d rather give it a miss, but had they seen Vlad or IWHS, then they’d be hooked.
Trouble is, they wouldn’t stay hooked for long, as too many of S4’s eps were not for them, but for the die-hard Lexx fans that knew what to expect.
You have to have a deep understanding of the beans and Lexx to get it, too many new people to the show obviously lost patience, I know as my brother just gave up mid-season, where as I stuck with Lexx…but there were many eps that did make me cringe.
I’ll truly miss Lexx, but it comes as no surprise that it did not get the ratings, but I don’t think the beans really cared or worried about that, it would seem that they were happy to give the true Lexx fans one last serving.
So at the end of the day, we can only point the finger at the people who started it, but then they gave us so much to begin with, it’s difficult to criticise them.
All in all, they let the series go, they should have taken longer to do S4, do a bit of research to see where Lexx was at it’s strongest and return to that…but we all knew the answer, take us back to the movies and recapture the magic.
Squishy [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img]quote:
Originally posted by Aleck:
From what I can tell, it wasn’t that McManus was held back from developing the kind of Kai you wanted to see. Indeed, judging from the accounts I’ve heard, he wanted Kai to stay as dead as possible.If the gist of the show for you was the Xev/Kai relationship, then you were bound to be disappointed, as the show was never really about that to begin with. Sorry you were disappointed.
–Aleck
YES! YES! YES! THAT’S EXACTLY RIGHT! YOU HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT, MY SON!
(Well, it’s not like you were ever in the dark… LOL)
[img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_cool.gif[/img]quote:
Originally posted by Squishy:
Gotta agree with Addy on this one, there was huge potential for Lexx to begin with, the movies are classic, but seem so far removed form what Lexx had become.
The movies felt like movies, big and done with interest, the storyline was magnificent and reminiscent of Star Wars, they were truly groundbreaking.
Then we went into the series, and that feel from the movies was lost, but Lexx still had enough in it to make it interesting, but the movies was the hook for many.
S3 had some great moments, but they went hand in hand with some truly cheap looking and bizarrely written eps, but there was still a freshness in it and Lexx still had something to offer.
S4 had moved completely away from what we saw in the movies, choosing comedy over it’s initial nature, unfortunately for a sci-fi programme this format was doomed to failure.
If there is a spin-off then both the elements of the movies and the comedy needs to be combined seemlessly, if it can’t that then it also will be doomed to failure.
Although I admire the beans for doing what they wanted, it worked against the wishes of many fans who wanted Lexx to stand proud.
Newbies were obviously confused about what Lexx was, seeing a midsummers nights dream must have been awful for a newbie, I can imagine them thinking that if this was what Lexx had to offer then I’d rather give it a miss, but had they seen Vlad or IWHS, then they’d be hooked.
Trouble is, they wouldn’t stay hooked for long, as too many of S4’s eps were not for them, but for the die-hard Lexx fans that knew what to expect.
You have to have a deep understanding of the beans and Lexx to get it, too many new people to the show obviously lost patience, I know as my brother just gave up mid-season, where as I stuck with Lexx…but there were many eps that did make me cringe.
I’ll truly miss Lexx, but it comes as no surprise that it did not get the ratings, but I don’t think the beans really cared or worried about that, it would seem that they were happy to give the true Lexx fans one last serving.
So at the end of the day, we can only point the finger at the people who started it, but then they gave us so much to begin with, it’s difficult to criticise them.
All in all, they let the series go, they should have taken longer to do S4, do a bit of research to see where Lexx was at it’s strongest and return to that…but we all knew the answer, take us back to the movies and recapture the magic.
Squishy [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img]
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[b]BULLOCKS![/b]Season 4 was brilliant. The Beans outdid themselves.
You’re conservative and just didn’t like the change. “Worked against the wishes of the fans”, indeed! How arrogant! How can you presume that you know the opinions of all the fans? I may have been one of the only people praising season 4 on this board (to the point of getting disgusted and boycotting) but as soon as the last episode aired, TONS of fans came crawling out of the woodwork over at Lexx.Com. And that means there had to have been hundreds of others who loved season four and just did not get as far as seeking out a message board.
LEXX has ALWAYS been about making fun of certain types of people, traditions, and unreasonable hang-ups. It’s just that in the fourth season they got to the point. The Earth sucks and if it came down to it, we would destroy ourselves.
And if people were introduced to LEXX via [i]Midsummer’s Nightmare[/i], how do YOU know they didn’t like it? There were probably tons of people who recognized Battersea power station from the Pink Floyd album cover or what it means to the English in general (a symbol of decay) or at the bery least the irony of it’s location used for a druid cerimony. You were probably just turned off by the homosexual antics or the stupid singing trees and can’t get over it.
That’s the beauty of LEXX. There are all these elements blended together. Fairy-stories, horror, space-opera, goth, porno, corruption, satire, etc., etc. There’s something there for everyone.
And from here on out it’s excelsior.
[ 30-04-2002: Message edited by: Flamegrape ]
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Originally posted by Squishy:
If there is a spin-off then both the elements of the movies and the comedy needs to be combined seemlessly, if it can’t that then it also will be doomed to failure.
Although I admire the beans for doing what they wanted, it worked against the wishes of many fans who wanted Lexx to stand proud.
I couldn’t disagree more. I came into [i]LEXX[/i] with the first season, seeing the first films on pre-release screeners before they became available on home video. While I liked them, I always thought that they seemed forced. The sets, the writing, the acting, the effects, they all seemed edging toward the brink of greatness, but teetering awkwardly on the precipice. It was like they were *just* about to hit their mark, but just kept falling a few paces short. For me, the Beans started hitting their targets with laser precision in S2. The characters (well, Stan and Xev) began being more layered and fully developed and the storylines developed. The new format served the telling of these stories more effectively, allowing for more flexibility in telling a “big” story without the constraints of time, while allowing them to focus on what would have to be relegated to “subplot” status in a feature film-length work, and develop the characters.
For me, S3 worked like gangbusters, despite what I saw as obvious problems that the Beans had in dealing with “cliffhanger” endings (too often, things just *stopped* without any buildup of suspense, like in “Garden” or “Girltown”). More depth was shown in all characters (again, save for Kai, because the dead are not…deep), and the central story was engrossing. It was a break from the comedic aspects of S2, which some saw as a bad thing, but the whole central theme of the story doesn’t lend itself well to humor (though some eps were, indeed, funny). Personally, I liked the alternating currents of the show, switching from seriousness to silliness in mid-stream. S4, despite problems with tight scheduling and hurried production, delivered a number of classic episodes that were as good as anything from the previous 3 seasons. While there are some eps that I don’t like so much, that’s true of *every* season of the show. I only like about 1/2 of the first (and that’s in spite of several other problems I have with it), and there are handfuls of eps from S2 and 3 that I don’t like much as well.
While you may think that [i]LEXX[/i] didn’t stand proud, I have to ask, “proud of *what*?” [i]LEXX[/i] has *never* been a “proud” show. From the first episode, it’s always been willing to dwell in the gutter with the rest of the snipes, and that’s what separates it from the sterile, clinical, “proud” shows like [i]ST:TNG[/i]. To quote Wilde, “We are all lying in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.”–Aleck
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Originally posted by Aleck:
While you may think that [i]LEXX[/i] didn’t stand proud, I have to ask, “proud of *what*?” [i]LEXX[/i] has *never* been a “proud” show. From the first episode, it’s always been willing to dwell in the gutter with the rest of the snipes, and that’s what separates it from the sterile, clinical, “proud” shows like [i]ST:TNG[/i]. To quote Wilde, “We are all lying in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.”–Aleck
You hit the nail on the head. It befuddles my damn fool cracker mind when people go on and on about some mysterious epic saga in [i]LEXX[/i] that isn’t really there.
[img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]best season was 2 best episode brigadoom
worst series 4
tho it did have some great episodes namely the game. basically the last 8 showsmidsummer nightmare was absolute ****e i think that was the reason series 4 was the worst, it was that bad it brought the other shows down
[img]images/smiles/icon_sad.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_sad.gif[/img]tho the end was bad i dont know why they killed kai off. if mm dint want to come back fine how cares it was the last show.
i think it just shows bad writing and a lack of good idears after 4 seasons also.
there was no reason to do it.
the rock was bollox as well
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Originally posted by –Commando–:
the rock was bollox as well
[b]Hey!! I loved the Rock, it was one of my favorite eps this season. MMM twack looked so… so… so…. natural in a bar with an ashtray beside him. [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img][/b]
You know I have to say after the way so many ppl(the fans that is) critize the show I must be the most loyal fan ever.
The lowest rating I gave ANY episode of the series was a 7. And that’s still above average.
Even my least favourite episode(A Midsummer’s Nightmare) I still like and have watched multiple times.
I have no major complaints about the show.
The show was what it was. I love all 4 seasons. There is no worst season. There’s only least-best.It’s amazing that no one has wondered about the placement of Oberon in the scheme of things. Didn’t it suggest to anyone other than myself that Oberon, Prince, and HDS might be somehow related on some hyper-dimensional alien magic-being sort of loopy way? No one wondered about that?
Maybe there are other beings like that in the Dark Zone. Good spinoff material. The return of Oberon and Titania! More gay humor! Just for the fans! Heeheeheeheeheehee!
[img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]well speaking as a guttersnipe,aleck and flamegrape, i am not sure there is any real disagreement between you guys; there were episodes i kind of groaned at in all four seasons, and episodes that blew me away…i think that flame was disgusted by the amount of carping about season 4, but i , for one, really can’t pick a favorite season anymore…right now, reviewing season 2 is just showing me how many things i missed…and i feel that dvds of season 3 and season 4 will hit me the same way…and i am also glad that lexx was never lofty and aspiring to greatness; it’s the raw grubbing around in the muck that drew me to it first place [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img] or maybe i am just getting senile and finding more truth and commonality in simpler things these days…whatever, …i am sorry it ended,and the way it ended, but that’s the way i should feel about a show and characters i enjoyed… but i am not sorry that the show didn’t die as slow gibbering and alzheimered death…btw frey, could it be that mm looks natural in a bar with an ashtray because that would appear to be his natural habitat? [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
WoW!
What ACE comments! I dissagreed with about half of them and was enthralled by all of them.
For me, the best episode was IWHS, worst that ****ing farty Bad Carrot. Best season would be season 3 for me (season 2 for NewKate) (I’ve not seen the last 8 episodes yet) but the best so far are Patches in the Sky (Season 2 – only because Gubby reminds me of me [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img] ). Gondola was one of the greats of graphical regressive sci fi, it was poetry on the eyes and although the story was kinda weak, the whole show had me glued to the screen.
Brigadoom was nutty and wonderful and lots and lots of shows made me feel good and bad (sometimes at the same time). And I guess that’s why I liked LEXX so much. It broke a lot of the taboos, it didn’t seem to matter if you thought the subject matter crappy – at the end of the day no other TV sci fi show could have pulled off most of the episodes! (Can you imagine Star Trek NG pulling off Girltown!?)
Lex Gigeroff once emailed me and said said that he was pleased that the fans seemed to like their little ‘fringe show’. It made me chuckle at the time, but I can’t help feeling that that’s what they have done with LEXX, they managed to get a fringe sci fi show syndicated!
We get so much crap Sci Fi on TV nowadays and we look back at other classic cult shows like Red Dwarf, Hitch Hikers and Babylon 5 and see that they had all the same comments about their episodes and they too had such a hard time finding the funding to produce them.
I’m really pleased that the show became so popular, they broke the rules and gave others in the future something to aim at. It’s a show that can’t be immitated because like other classic Sci Fi shows, it dealt with real issues (love sex, farting, homosexuality etc. etc.) when no other sci fi show would have a go. As Aleck so elloquently concluded, “We are all lying in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.” (Oscar Wilde)
[i]Nice one Salter Street![/i]
LEXX was raw sci fi!
[ 01-05-2002: Message edited by: SadGeezer ]
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Originally posted by Flamegrape:
You hit the nail on the head. It befuddles my damn fool cracker mind when people go on and on about some mysterious epic saga in [i]LEXX[/i] that isn’t really there.
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Exactly. People keep looking for the “big” aspects of [i]LEXX[/i], when the show is almost always about the *little* things. Like I said before, the main thrust of the series has always been what most movies and series would consider subplot. Like in S2: most of the episodes were vehicles to expand the characters by putting them in odd situations and seeing how they’d react. Being human (well, mostly), they act erratically — sometimes admirably, sometimes not. Any other show or sci-fi movie would focus on the fact that [b]there’s an evil villain eating the entire universe.[/b] Yet it’s added almost mockingly: “Oh, yeah, by the way, there’s a right [i]*******[/i] out there destroying entire planets and star systems. We’ll deal with him in a bit, but until then, here’s some more zany episodes about sex and death, and we’ll throw in a few genre parodies as well. Thanks for watching!” Or how, in the middle of Season 3, there’s suddenly an entire episode about Stan trying to get Lyekka to teach some gardeners how to please him orally. It’s like the Beans are saying “Yeah, there are big things happening all around us, but when you get down to it, the most important things, sometimes, are those base desires and instincts that nag at us. They might get you into a pickle, but sometimes, when the universe is collapsing around your feet, the most important thing is finding your hat.”
–Aleck
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Originally posted by Aleck:
. It’s like the Beans are saying “Yeah, there are big things happening all around us, but when you get down to it, the most important things, sometimes, are those base desires and instincts that nag at us. They might get you into a pickle, but sometimes, when the universe is collapsing around your feet, the most important thing is finding your hat.”
And that ladies and boys sums the show up quite nicely.
Very well said.
Applies to life as well, just not many people see it, or are able to live that way.
Too bad, cause the world would probably be a better place if more people took that philosophy to heart.antizero
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Originally posted by antizero:
And that ladies and boys sums the show up quite nicely.
Very well said.
Applies to life as well, just not many people see it, or are able to live that way.
Too bad, cause the world would probably be a better place if more people took that philosophy to heart.antizero
But the world isn’t a better place, which is one of the big points of season 4. Earth go boom, it no suprise.
[img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]For me there is no worst season. There are a few worst episodes though: I’ll group them by season:
Season 1
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Super NovaSeason 2
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Mantrid
Terminal
Lafftrak
Stan’s Trial
Nook
Norb
Woz
End of the UniverseSeason 3
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K-Town
Tunnels
GirltownSeason 4
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Texx Lexx
Vlad
Magic Baby
Prime Ridge
Mort
Viva Lexx Vegas
Lyekka vs. JapanFAVORITE EPISODE
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Season 3- May
runner up Season 4- The GameBest Season (s)
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3 & 4ALL TIME FAVORITE EPISODES
————————–Season 1
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I Worship His Shadow
Eating Pattern
Giga ShadowSeason 2
——–Lyekka
Luvliner
Love Grows
White Trash
791
Wake the Dead
Twilight
Patches in the Sky
The Web
The Net
Brigadoom
BrizonSeason 3
——–Fire and Water
May
Gametown
Boomtown
Gondola
The Key
Garden
Battle
The Beach
Heaven & HellSeason 4
——–Little Blue Planet
P4X
Stan Down
Xevivor
The Rock
Walpurgis Night
Fluff Daddy
A Midsummer’s Nightmare (Funniest for me)
Bad Carrot
769 (I changed my mind)
Moss
Dutch Treat
The Game
Haley’s Comet
Apocalexx Now
Trip
Yo Way Yo (That is what it is called people!)
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Stan
Prince
Lyekka (Season 2 and 3 only)WORST EPISODE EVER
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Super Nova or
Lafftrak or
Nook (I can’t choose they sucked so hard!)“Let’s Go”- Lt. General Romeo Dallaire
After seeing Lexx backwards from Season 2 to Season 1, then Seasons 3 and only two from Season 4 – (I dread seeing the final ep after seeing the vidcaps.) – I gottah say
that I liked season 1 and 2 the best.Not that I didn’t enjoy 3, and 4, well, from what I’ve seen it DID die a horrible death.
I could tell that the love had gone out of it. Season 1 was from the heart. Season 2 was fun, and was just there for the jollies of it all. From there it lost all substance.
As many of you have said, they were trying OH so hard to get it right, and never seemed to! The poor Beans kept missing the mark! There was something left out of every episode. (And I can’t put my finger on it either.) It’s a mystery.I’m mourning it. Fondly, tho’, I look upon my original desparation to find out who Kai was and where he came from. I’m a sucker for guys that martyre themselves for a good cause. It’s also nice to find them soft-voiced and musically oriented.
*Recovering* Oh, but that’s not real life, that’s a ploy by The Beans to say whom they would have liked to be, had they not been the hot-tub-boob-loving-panting-drooling-gameplaying-scifigeek-drinking-smoking-adolescent-boys that they really are.
I love them for their attempt to show the mind of Everyman.
In the process they inadvertantly found the formula for the perfectly unatttainable man that women dream of.
For that reason, for the idiocy and the irony of that fact, I will mourn Lexx till the end of my days.[img]images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img]
What strikes me, reading through this thread, is how diverse the various opinions are. There’s no real consensus on what the favorite season or episode is, and I suspect that’s what the Beans were shooting for.
I think this is because one’s view of Lexx has a lot to do with two aspects:
1. How you were introduced to the series.
2. Personal taste.I’ve noticed that the favorite season for quite a few folks tends to be whatever season was their first Lexx experience. There was something about what they were watching in that first experience that drew them in. Since each season has a distinct flavor of its own, it’s not surprising that they tend to like other seasons less. Part of what pulled them in was probably part of that season’s particular “flavor.” Other seasons are less to their taste.
Above and beyond this, it’s clear that we each have different things we like about Lexx. We could even identify different “camps;”
1. Dwarfers – These folks love sci-fi comedy, in the vein of Red Dwarf. They tend to list Season 4 as their favorite, for obvious reasons. They like episodes with humorous character interaction, and when it comes to comedy and parody, more is better. They think of Lexx as a fun, care-free, wacky, sexy ride.
2. Fivers – These folks like a serious story that continues from episode to episode, like Babylon 5. They tend to list Season 3 as their favorite, and enjoy episodes with tests of morality and serious confrontations between good and evil.
3. Cyclers – These are folks whose imagination was captured by IWHS and/or Brigadoom. They are particularly into specific aspects of the Cycle of Time, the Insect Wars, the Brunnen-G, the Divine Order, and the Ostrol-B Heretics. These are the folks who tend to use the word “epic” when describing Lexx, and tend to list Season 1 or 2 as their favorites. They long for the old days.
I know that simplifies things a LOT, but I feel like that’s the basic breakdown of different Lexx tastes. I reckon I’m closest to being a Cycler.
A few of you said that Lexx is not about the Xev/Kai relationship, or that Lexx is not an epic. Of course it is. Lexx is about those things, as well as many other things. Lexx is what we, the viewers, make of it. There are no limits, and there’s no need for anyone to try to impose limits. It’s all subjective.
And for the record, my favorite season is a tie between Season 1 and Season 2.
My favorite episode is a tie (more or less) between I Worship His Shadow, Brigadoom, and Yo Way Yo.
The worst episode (IMHO) is a tie between A Midsummers Nightmare and Mort.
I find it hard to say which is my favorite. I started watching [i]LEXX[/i] with S1, and yet that’s definitely my least favorite. It’s too forced and awkward. The storylines are too disjointed, and they try to do too much in too little time. The acting is well below the level set in subsequent seasons. It sets things up nicely, but — for me — it just doesn’t hit its marks. Plus, there’s the added annoyance of people trying to read too much into the tentative baby steps of the series as a whole: the fact that they hadn’t arrived at a working definition of Kai’s character and the range of emotion he’s allowed to have has caused too much idle speculation along the lines of “Kai must have loved Zev, but never got over losing her when she died.” No, Kai never loved *anyone* after he died. He’s *dead*, fercryin’outloud. The dead do not have emotions to speak of. Anything resembling emotion in Kai prior to his “resurrection” at the hands of Prince is just sloppy writing on the part of the Beans, something that I think they’d readily admit to.
Now that that’s out of the way…
It’s hard to say which remaining season I like best. Overall, I think that the acting, direction and concept was best in S3 (though, like every season, it includes a handful of clunker episodes), but it’s hampered by a problem with sudden, abrupt endings to episodes, which arises from the difficulties in trying to make every episode continuous with the next while still leaving the audience with a climax to the episode as a whole. As a result, the eps don’t flow together as well as they should, and don’t really have “cliffhanger” endings that create suspense and tension and leave me, at least, eagerly awaiting the next episode. But don’t get me wrong — I love just about everything else about this particular season, except for the absence of 790 from the majority of the eps. It’s multi-layered and has a certain rhythm that’s unlike just about anything else.
S2 and S4 both come from the same place — they both concern themselves with making fun of everything under the sun, while having a vague threat link a number of the otherwise stand-alone episodes. S2 is somewhat more successful than S4, only because of the budget and time allowed for the earlier season (I can’t help but think that if S2 had been made under the same conditions that S4 was, that it would be *far* worse than what resulted in S4). S4 has a number of episodes that are, indeed, worse than the worst eps of S2 or S3, but its best episodes (and I’d include “Little Blue Planet,” “P4X,” “Stan Down,” “Walpurgis Night,” “Vlad,” “The Game” and “Yo Way Yo” among them, with a number of them ranking just below these) easily match, IMHO, anything from any previous season (and *every* season had its share of bad eps).
Pressed, I’d have to say that S3 is probably my fave, with S2 and S4 just below it, and with S1 trailing.
–Aleck
Now that I’ve seen them all, I guess you could say that Season 3 is my favorite (and no, it wasn’t my first experience). Partly it was the look and feel of it. I loved the Planet Fire, the ambivalence of Prince (he wanted to be good, he wanted to be evil, he had a specific job, but he wasn’t sure about all the details), the fact that Xev grew from her kittenish sex-slave beginning to become a mature, real woman, and the fact that Stan began to examine his relationship with her (i.e., there *was* one that didn’t have to do with his wanting to have sex with her).
But I just liked the series overall, even though every season was completely different from whatever went before. Each one had something to recommend it, enough so that I didn’t focus on the clunkers.
Sometimes I reveled in Lexx. Sometimes it made me laugh out loud, and sometimes it made me downright uncomfortable. To me, that’s great television.
Yo Way Yo and Brigadoom vie for most favorite episodes, but I have a special fondness for Nook, as that was my first one, and Mantrid just because I loved the villain and the story. Midsummer Nightmare remains my least favorite, along with Prime Ridge, but that may because they’re the freshest. I’m sure I’ve forgotten the ones I didn’t care for in previous seasons.
my all time fave ep is………. eating pattern. :o)i just really enjoyed that one, and of course IWHS. i liked s2 the best, hands down. my reaction to s4 was so mixed, even in the eps that i thought were bad there were shining moments, so i’ve got to agree with valdron and sad on this one.
i haven’t seen all of s3 yet, so i won’t comment on it. but my fave non-movie ep is probably either 791, mantrid or xevivor.
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