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I just watched the season opener of Enterprise. I thought it ran too much like a cop show with it’s strip clubs scenes and crewmembers having to “get rid of contaminents” by rubbing themselves and each other down with oil. On the bright side, if they get more gratuitous, they may pick up more of us Lexx fans [img]images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img]
Thoughts Anyone??quote:
Originally posted by Hollydays:
I just watched the season opener of Enterprise. I thought it ran too much like a cop show with it’s strip clubs scenes and crewmembers having to “get rid of contaminents” by rubbing themselves and each other down with oil. On the bright side, if they get more gratuitous, they may pick up more of us Lexx fans [img]images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img]
Thoughts Anyone??
I actually thought after seeing First Contact on how cool it would be see more of Zefram Cochrane’s time.
So I guess this show is going to show humanity turning the corner, no federation as of yet, just starfleet, it should be interesting.
The only fear I have is the the way the technology will look, I mean it’s got to look even more basic than the original series, so that should be amusing.
To be honest it will be difficult with no borg and no Q, but it will be interesting to see them meet Romulans for the first time.
And I think this is the Trek franchise’s effort into making Trek a bit more risky, trying to drop the goody-goody clean cut image it’s always had, but it’s likely to offend some die-hard fans, personally I think it will be good.
SquishyWhere it loses die-hard fans it may gain some new ones. I know a few people who have never really watched Star Trek that are kind of excited about seeing Enterprise. As for me, I’m excited too. The show seems to have a sort of newness and more of a sense of wonder than the other Treks. I hope I can get to watch it though. I just moved to University and live in Residence and have to share a tv with the entire floor. Maybe if I get on my hands and knees and beg them they’ll let me watch it. Of course, I do have a Philosophy test the next day. Oh well. I can’t study all the time can I? [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
hey Squishy! I thought the tech was handled okay. The ship is very streamlined though, and that surprised me. The phasers are kill or stun, and they are afraid to use the transporter (it doesn’t work so good), so that will leave more room for conflict resolution instead of just zipping outta there. You have to go to the wall and press a button to talk to, say the bridge or engineering. I liked that nod at original ST. The only prob I have is the lead, he is still pretty goody two shoes, going on missions alone and stepping out to take the fire so a ensign can get on the shuttle.
I’ve noticed that too about the Captains of certain shows for some reason… Noticed it first in Babylon 5… why do they feel the need to do it themselves? I mean, that’s why they have XO’s!
But anyways… I enjoyed watching it last night. It didn’t feel hokey or campy like the original Trek (I grew up on NG, so it was hard to see TOS as anything but campy [img]images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img] ), but it still managed to come off as “not as advanced.
No Universal translators? That’s gonna be rough… how many folks wondered what the Klingon was really saying? [img]images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img]
The only thing that irked me a little, and it could be that it’s all in my head, but, isn’t it characteristic of Vulcans to not use contractions? They were using them all over the place last night and it just seemed off…
Maybe it’s just me, whatever.
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hmmm, could be, I don’t know. I will have to ask my cousin the ST god. I remember Spock having a hard time with colloquial language use, but I only remember Data having to teach himself to use contractions.
I noticed also the klingons heads were all bumpy which I thought hadn’t happened yet?
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Originally posted by Hollydays:
I noticed also the klingons heads were all bumpy which I thought hadn’t happened yet?
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well, having grown up with the original star drek when it first aired [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img] and all subsequent iterations, i am still annoyed about the bumpy klingon heads [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] squishy, i think you meant the first encounter with [b]klingons[/b], not [b]romulans[/b]…the first encounter with romulans happened during the original star drek, when there was a lot of ‘racism’ against mr spock among the crew, and suddenly seeing the romulans with their pointy ears caused extra resentment/suspicion of spock…proving once again the timeless themes of the original star trek! [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] yeah, okay, it was hokey and campy too, but i still love it…fx
I taped it to watch at a later date. Glad to hear these opinions – I was concerned it would be a total waste if time, but it sounds like it’s worth checking out. I hope Bakula can show a little more “edge” than he has in past roles. Since Lexx, my standards have changed. I can’t stand namby pamby shows that take themselves too seriously. Give me irreverence, dark humor, surprises, etc.!
I can’t wait until we get it here either (UK that is). I really hope they try and get away from that goody-goody image/moralising that TNG suffered.
What used to really annoy me about TNG was the way the captain (a frenchman with a perfect english accent – [i]IMPOSSIBLE![/i]) could preach to Data about benefits of being human !?!?! Weird! The geezer can think ten times faster, lift a tonne, move faster and live for ever! – AND maintain an errection for as long as he wants – [b]What the hell would he want to be human for![/b]
For gods sake, please don’t answer that, I know all about the emotion stuff, but lets face it I think some of us would forego the emotion and go for the bonking all night! (even if we might not have the urge [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] )
Pickard was an old baldie dude! He should have known better.
Erm… did I say that I’d like to see Enterprise too [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
Ha, ha, caught Berman and Co out already, Klingons didn’t have bumps even in Kirks era, and just to back that up, does anyone remember the DS9 ep, where Worf was asked why the klingons looked different, and he said it was embarressing for his people to talk about it.
But Enterprise does look good, I was a little concerned that the technology would be exactly the same look as the 60’s, I’m pleased to hear it’s streamlined.
BTW, has anyone noticed that Enterprise looks like the steamrunner class that was around in the day’s of Enterprise E?, only with the old style nacelles.
Squishy [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img]I thought [i]Enterprise[/i] was really good! I noticed that it is darker and reminds me very much of [i]Babylon 5[/i].
Scott Bakula was a perfect choice as Captain.
T’Pol is babe-a-licious. Too bad she’s a Vulcan. That Kes hairstyle has got to go! She could get away with better.
I’ve heard of fans complaining that the ship looks too advanced, that it should resemble ST:TOS ships. But something occured to me. In [i]First Contact[/i], Cochran got a glimpse of the 1701-E through the telescope. He found out what starships will look like. This changed the timeline, I think. (It’s just a thought…)
I wonder what the Klingons were saying, too. [img]images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img]
I think Scot Bakula is a goof. [img]images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img]
But I do hope he will do well in the role. I didn’t like Kevin Sorbo until he played Dylan Hunt either. Scot tends to do weak and whiny alot and it is a role that would be jeopardized by that(too many W & W captains). I guess we’ll see. Aurora may be upset when she see’s the show.look out for that enterprise background info at scificrowsnest news link, somebody forgot to tack some spoiler warnings on the link description! dang!
one thing i find notably sad about all of
berman’s star trek incarnations is the lack
of a type of optimism that the original trek
series was able to convey. i seem to remember
roddenberry saying something to the effect of
‘i was surprised by the number of nasa engineers
and m.i.t. specialist that said they were
enthused BY the show’
that was a hallmark of the original show,
along with the fact that it was generally
most peoples first real exposure to the scifi
genre. there had been a lot of other science
fiction shows on tv before, but they tended
to be a bit to illconcieved to generate an
interest in most people (you basically had to
already be a scifi fan to want to sit and
watch them), whereas star trek could actually
get non-scifi types to stay seated through
a whole show and be entertained.
i’m under the impression that ‘enterprise’
is actually supposed to be geared toward the
recapturing of those qualities, but from what
i’ve seen & read, it just looks like a re-
packaging of the same old berman/post gene r.
formula. it might as well be something spewed
out by disney’s assembly line style movie mill. [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img][ 28-09-2001: Message edited by: siglum ]
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Originally posted by siglum:
one thing i find notably sad about all of
berman’s star trek incarnations is the lack
of a type of optimism that the original trek
series was able to convey. i seem to remember
roddenberry saying something to the effect of
‘i was surprised by the number of nasa engineers
and m.i.t. specialist that said they were
enthused BY the show’
that was a hallmark of the original show,
along with the fact that it was generally
most peoples first real exposure to the scifi
genre. there had been a lot of other science
fiction shows on tv before, but they tended
to be a bit to illconcieved to generate an
interest in most people (you basically had to
already be a scifi fan to want to sit and
watch them), whereas star trek could actually
get non-scifi types to stay seated through
a whole show and be entertained.
i’m under the impression that ‘enterprise’
is actually supposed to be geared toward the
recapturing of those qualities, but from what
i’ve seen & read, it just looks like a re-
packaging of the same old berman/post gene r.
formula. it might as well be something spewed
out by disney’s assembly line style movie mill. [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img][ 28-09-2001: Message edited by: siglum ]
I know exactly what you mean, Siglum. I must confess that I was ready to hate any new Trek show. I liked TNG, disdained DS9 (because it was a rip-off of B5), and got burned with VOY (I loved Seska, then they killed her off, and it took 6of9 to bring me back to the show). But even after all of that, I still wanted to give the new show a chance.
I’ve avoided reading any info about the new show. I stayed away from bboards that discussed what the show might be like. Those bboards are filled with the hate-it-before-you-see-it lot. Of course, I couldn’t ignore the TV commercials so that was about all I knew about the show. The only real opinion I had was that, with Scott Bakula as captain, it would be an interesting show.
And so after seeing the first show, I give it the thumbs up. Those boys at NASA are [i]heavily[/i] acknowledged in the opening credits of the show– with clips of the moon landing, space shuttle, and space station construction. And I think it has a sharper flavor than other Rick Berman’s Trek shows.
But that was just the pilot episode. They have plenty of time to wreck a good show! But take a look at it when it airs in the U.K.
I must admit, when I saw that klingon run by, I did have a flash of thought of “that’s not how they looked like in TOS”
So, here’s what I’m thinking.. they looked like how we knew them from the future time… Worf and such times.. did Kahn look like that? I’ve only seen half of one movie, so I don’t really know…
But, yeah, here’s my idea… temporal anomaly. We already know that those aliens that are new to us (can’t remember their names yet).. they are part of a temporal war, so, I say that there’s been some kind of screwy-ness with the time line. And so what if it’s not true. [img]images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img] Until they give me a reason, that’s what I’m believing.
I’m still kind of hoping Q will make an appearance, even if I heard that such things aren’t happening. At least with the theory of the continuum, it is by all means *possible*.. I mean, couldn’t he show up as a character where the crew don’t know who he is, but we do?
What can I say, I’m a Q fan [img]images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img]
Ya know it wasn’t until I read about T’Pol hairstyle being compared to Kes that I actually saw the resemblance. At least now I know why it looked familiar. [img]images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img]
But I’m so intrigued by this temporal enemy, I wonder who it will be! Will it be someone we know, or someone completely different?
Now, if only Archer could break out of his “I must do it alone” mentality.. even if Kirk was like that (or so my dad says)
I can’t wait to see how this story will unfold. [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
Um, Fantasma, Kahn wasn’t a Klingon, he was a genetically enhanced superman, he hated Kirk for the death of his wife.
The temporal enemy has me intrigued, Could be that meddling borg again, you know how they like to mess with time, or even Braxton from Voyager, out to get his revenge on Starfleet.
I would love to see Q again, it wouldn’t be difficult to include him, as we the know the continuum has been around since the year dot, throwing him into the mix as a starfleet ensign would be hilarious!!!
SquishyI don’t get UPN, so I guess I won’t get to watch it (unless anyone knows of another channel that’s showing it). The previews look good. I’m a Scott Bakula fan, so I know I’d love him as captain. Oh, what’s with this Trip guy? Some people on another board were talking about him like he’s some sort of sex symbol. What kind of a character is he?
Hi everyone. Its been awhile that I have been on but had to add my 5cents worth to this topic.
I too am very happy to see Scott back on tv. Sidebar- He was on a morning talk show to promoat the show and a woman called in to say “If I had panties on they’d be wet.” No lie! I thought that was what I was thinking!
I watched the first ST show the nite it aired(and remember it fondly) and have followed all the shows since. I think this is the best ever! You have to give up the idea of us (earth) playing nice-nice in space. The shows whole idea is to show what it was like when mankind realy did “Boldly go where no man has gone before.” Besides “IT’S JUST A TV SHOW” Sorry just had to throw that in.
To Aeryn C., I have to say I have a thing for blond men and the Trip guy has more then what I need to …..well I don’t think I need to say more. Sorry you dont get UPN, but if you have a friend who dose maybe they could tape it for you.
And to add one more note, DS9 was soooo much better then most people credit for!
One more note, all that I have on my X-mas wish list is the Cpt. Archer doll( oh to be life size)
Ook Ook the Monkey is back!quote:
Originally posted by Monkey:
And to add one more note, DS9 was soooo much better then most people credit for!
One more note, all that I have on my X-mas wish list is the Cpt. Archer doll( oh to be life size)
Ook Ook the Monkey is back!
Yeah, I agree with you Monkey. I loved DS9! I watched the first 3 seasons of it faithfully, but then my cable company started getting a different Fox which didn’t show DS9. I was so crushed! I was so in love with Dr. Bashir. And, I was always rooting for Bashir and Dax to get together. I get some channel (CBS 59) now that shows DS9 on Sunday nights. I’m catching up with it again! Oh, and I agree with you about the life size doll. I wasn’t too impressed by the movie Lord of Illusions, but I own it just so I can see lots of Scott Bakula skin!
I watched it last night with my friend who had never really cared for Star Trek before and she loved it. What I like about it is that it’s Star Trek without being too Star Trek. It manages to put out your basic Star Trek elements and make it all seem new again. The others were getting repitive and old despite all the twists they tried to put on it as it advanced and some things were getting a tad out of hand. We get to see the beginning when everything was crude.
Oh, and love Bakula as Captain Archer and his conflict with the Vulcan.
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