Episode 2 Cloning vs DS9 Cloning
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First let me say that Episode 2 was great!However,while I was watching the movie it occured to me that DS9 cloning tech is superior to Episode 2 cloning tech. I am most anxious to hear from someone that disagrees with this.I would be most interested on your solid reasoning as to why Episode 2 cloning is not inferior to DS9 cloning.Just so there is no misunderstanding from the beggining,when I say DS9 cloning,I am speaking about the Dominion in regards to how they make the Jem’Hadar. [img]images/smiles/icon_cool.gif[/img]
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Not really sure I understand. Its 2 different fictional universes and totally different plots. They made it clear that they took Jango Fett and made genetic modifications to make better soldiers.
Meaning stormtroopers are better soldiers than Jango Fett. Not sure how you can stack that up against anything *but* Jango Fett. How do you compare that type of cloning to Star Trek or call it inferior superior? It’s kinda like saying Batman can kick Kai’s ass. Or do you mean the process in which they clone? In that case they dont provide any details in Star Wars on how they clone other than:
A) Many people clone
B) The Geonisians(spelling) are the best at it.They never detail the process except in Series 3(ep7,8,9 by Tim Zahn) which is now been disavowed by Lucas and involved a lifelong process sped up by using aliens insect/animals that create anti-force bubbles.
In any event the Bene Tlielax of the Dune series could clone anything that was organic so they got both beat ;p
Bit of odd thing thing to be discussing, but I’d have to say the answer is fairly simple…look at the finished product.
I have yet to see SW ep2, but the stormtroopers in the other movies always appeared to be less than perfect, they seemed to lack intelligence, but this didn’t seem to affect them in battle, as they probably weren’t required to do anything other than follow orders.
But they do have the edge of the Jem’Hadar, the Jem’Hadar had major flaws, they were good soldiers, but they were hindered because they were too prone to violence and anger, they didn’t stop and think rationally about things, which made them predictable.
Also they were dependent on Ketrasel white, I know the Dominion had put that in their genetic make-up to control them, but it still meant that existence would be short without it.
But like Lexxlurker said, it’s too different universes, and you could say that Star Trek’s technology is far superior to that of Star Wars, so the technology involved in cloning could be superior as well.
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[img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img]Remember SW occurs “Long, long ago. In a galaxy far, far away”. Not bad for prehistoric cloning techniques.
You guys bring up some interesting points.Let me explain my fleeting thought in the theater.First, it takes a longer time to make a finished product in EP2 than it does in DS9.The clones had to be trained as children way up until adulthood.Granted the growth time was cut in half,but we are still talking about years.Cloning in DS9 takes the Dominion 3 days for complete finished product.By day two the Jem’Hadar are already fighting with advanced techniques! If you were to clone on both sides for an equal amount of time at an equal starting point, the Dominion would have the Republic vastly outnumbered.All the information a Jem’Hadar needs(fighting,weapons use,even a natural cloaking ability) is placed in their genetics.The number of clone-troopers we saw onscreen was staggering! Imagine what a Dominion army cloned for the same time would look like.As for the troopers being better soldiers…I’m not so sure.Being proned to violence made the Jem’Hadar no less loyal to the Founders.In fact they follow orders without question.They were excellent for what they were created to do..fight and die to maintain the Dominion’s power.By the way..Star Wars has been compared to Star Trek more times than a little.The concept of comparing cloning tech from these universes is not that complicated. [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
[QUOTE]Originally posted by LexxLurker:
>Its 2 different fictional universes and totally different plots.In any event the Bene Tlielax of the Dune series could clone anything that was organic so they got both beatNot sure how you can stack that up against anything *but* Jango Fett.How do you compare that type of cloning to Star Trek or call it inferior superior?It’s kinda like saying Batman can kick Kai’s ass.they dont provide any details in Star Wars on how they clone other than:
A) Many people clone
B) The Geonisians(spelling) are the best at it.They never detail the process except in Series 3<
You did see the movie? They gave a number of clones they had and a time frame in which they achieved this number.They showed us gestation tubes with clones in them.They showed us children being educated through to adulthood and told us that these clones were altered to be better and grow in half the time.Aside from that,most cloning involves some starter dna and a period of cultivating that dna to a finished product.
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They kinda backtrack Squishy [img]images/smiles/icon_sad.gif[/img] Stormtroopers are badasses in Episode 2. But they mention that these 200,000 clones are only the first of millions to come.
In the second trilogy Stormtroopers had different heights and voices, in this one they are all identical twins. It’s a fantastic movie though, cant wait to see it again.
The stormtrooper cloning facility reminded me of [i]THX-1138[/i].
[img]images/smiles/icon_cool.gif[/img]Here’s what I don’t get. Captain Picard had an artificial heart, yet it was the future. Couldn’t they just clone him a new heart while being artificially kept alive. I mean come on!
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Here’s what I don’t get. Captain Picard had an artificial heart, yet it was the future. Couldn’t they just clone him a new heart while being artificially kept alive. I mean come on!
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When did any of TNG shows ever display the Federation as having such capabilities during the time Picard's heart was damaged? What did your post have to do with the subject of the thread? [img]images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img]
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by LexxLurker:A) Many people clone
B) The Geonisians(spelling) are the best at it.
Geonosians don’t clone. They are weapons designers.
Kaminoans are the best cloners in that galaxy far, far away.quote:
Originally posted by CBrate:
Remember SW occurs “Long, long ago. In a galaxy far, far away”. Not bad for prehistoric cloning techniques.
Prehistoric according to our history..not theirs.Now, if in that galaxy far, far away everyone else was using clubs and no one had space travel capabilities and these cloners were cloning in those conditions…then yeah, it would be noteworthy. In any case, it still stands that the Dominion have superior cloning capabilities.
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