Kai, possible founder of the Divine Order?
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Now I know in the Lexx universe there is no time travel. But that’s only limited to the people in the Lexx universe not those outside it. Now here is what I am thinking, that the dark hooded figure in the painting in “Texx Lexx” could be Kai. Now how could that be beings it was way long before Kai was killed and used by His Divine Shadow. Well now this is where it gets kind of metaphysical. Ok Kai dies and his soul departs his body and from what we saw in “The Beach” Kai’s soul is on Water. Ok so if that dark figure is Kai then how could he end up on Water. Well maybe a mistake was made like Fifi. Also how could Kai have been this figure if he died long after all this took place? I believe that the soul isn’t limited by time and space and theoretically could have traveled back in time and was reborn on earth. Where for what ever reason he became evil. So maybe Kai did start the Divine Order. Time traveling souls and just when I thought Lexx couldn’t get any stranger. [img]/ubb/eek.gif[/img]
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Your basic premise is incorrect. His Divine Shadow always wore a hooded robe (except when transferring essences via the kiss)in the 3 movies. The figure in the painting is not of Kai but His Divine Shadow. If you will remember HDS had an intimate knowledge of “The Dark Zone” which probably means that he visited there a few times and maybe was defeated a time or two and therefore decided that it was the universe of chaos and depravity because of his inability to gain a stronghold there. (Who here doesn’t think HDS would “cleanse” the dark zone if given the chance) The thing that gave me the heeby jeebies was the fact that wheelchair doctor guy WAS the voice of HDS in the movies and could very easily play a MUCH bigger role in the things to come in S4.
I have to admit that S4 could be absolutely dynamite if the beans stick to the continuity thus far. And possibly have the events that will occur on Earth play a role in the creation of the light universe (and HDS) again.
Darkwilow-Hey, somebody agrees with me! Now, talk to Aleck ( [img]http://www.sadgeezer.com/ubb/smile.gif[/img] ).
Slopmaster-I’m usually open-minded about creative speculation, but that Kai thing is a little too far-fetched. The time-travelling doesn’t seem too implausible, just His Divine Shadow seems like a more likely subject than Kai. The painting is distinctly of His Shadow (the only apparent difference is the bigger collar).
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Originally posted by DalekTek790:
[b]The painting is distinctly of His Shadow (the only apparent difference is the bigger collar).[/b]
Gonna disagree with you on this one. I’m not saying that you AREN’T right, because you could be. But my personal opinion is that the picture is of, who else, Dracula. It was said specifically that the painting was found hanging somewhere in the foothills of Carpathia. Anyone familiar with the Stoker version of Dracula will know that Carpathia figures in prominently with the Dracula legend. We already know that there is a Dracula tie in (I believe BC(?) alluded to having met the actor that played him at UnCon). So, to assume that the picture is of HDS doesn’t fit. Unless, of course, you’re suggesting that HDS is actually a vampire, which I also find improbable. I’m not saying that I’m right. But I’m not saying that I’m wrong [img]http://www.sadgeezer.com/ubb/wink.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by darkwilow:
[b]Your basic premise is incorrect. His Divine Shadow always wore a hooded robe (except when transferring essences via the kiss)in the 3 movies. The figure in the painting is not of Kai but His Divine Shadow.[/b]
Hey styles of clothing change over time. I really think its really narrow minded to knock down a plausible theory because of a little detail like a robe. Also as I said I believe the figure to be Kai not HDS so he wouldn’t probably wear the same kind of robe. So in summery I find your basic premise incorrect because obviously you did not read my post carefully enough. [img]http://www.sadgeezer.com/ubb/tongue.gif[/img]
-SM
“I may be blind but I see right through you”
-The man on 42nd streetHmmm well isn’t HDS a kind of vampire. I figure who in reality would become legend in earth folk lore and take on new dimensions are the centuries past. HDS could steal the memories of all those he killed. Kind of like sucking blood from a body. Also as we saw in “I Worship His Shadow” HDS could glide useing his robe or hell maybe he could fly. So he would kind of resemble a bat. Also HDS being really an insect likes to hide in very dark places like castles. I believe that HDS is very much a creature of the night much like vampires in the lore. So HDS may not be the modern eqivilent of a vampire as we know them today but maybe thats where the whole vampire thing began in the Lexx version of earth. I believe this is possible but it just seems to simple an explanation for the dark figure in the painting not to mention the reoccuring Divine Order symbol. But hell who knows after all there are killer carrots on their way.
-SM
Hmmm…is all I have to say, hehe. :d
-SM
“isn’t HDS kind of a vampire”
Well, if you look at how history warpes things, I mean the original legends of vampires are very different from the movie stuff, so HDS may very well have been mistaken over the years or perhaps percieved as a vampire by whoever did the paintings and stuff. I absolutely love the idea of HDS going to the dark zone and deciding he couldn’t cut it there, then conquering the light zone. I think the symbol’s origin will also play a play a huge role in the upcoming episodes. As far as the weelchair guy having the same voice as the latest HDS, remember that all the HDS’s were really bad dudes ans probably ended up on fire. After fire blew up all the “souls or whatever” from it flew to earth. so maybe he is HDS. Between the big rock thing and all this stuff, prince is beginning to seem like small potatoes.(he’s still a really cool character)
As I’ve probably mentioned before, I have studied folklore. The Vampire is one of the most intriguing and varied myths humanity’s collective imagination has ever conceived. Brunnis is right, the modern image is very different from the earliest known stories of such creatures.
The first incarnation of the Vampire was the Wampir, which was a ghost that maintained its corporeal form my sucking the life essence out of mortals with a stinger-like projection under its tongue.
In later stories, the “life essence” was equated with blood, and the stinger disappeared (note that Vampires were rarely endowed with fangs before Bram Stoker permanently reshaped their image).
The black-caped-blood-sucker-type Vampire is the Nosferatu. Although the title character in the movie [i]Nosferatu[/i] is a hideous monster, the traditional Nosferatu was charismatic and human-like, with pale skin and slightly pointed ears the only giveaway.
I suppose His Divine Shadoe could be the origin of the Vampire myth in the [i]Lexx[/i] universe. The life-sucking Wampir does seem sort of similar. The only certain connection is that both are stories shaped from the same fears buried deep in the minds of all humans.
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Lee P. Sherman, code name DalekTek790
Whovian, Froudian, Lexxian, etc.Slop…
As a friend I’ll try to take it easy on you..
WHERE DID YOU GET THE FOGGY NOTION THAT THE GUY IN THE PIC WAS KAI???!!!!!!
Man, you are really stretching this one. You’re basing theories on a misconception. Kai ending up on Water as a MISTAKE?! Was Kai not a newborn on his home planet? And even if you GUESSED the right time period… Kai has been around for 6,000 years.
“Now how could that be beings it was way long before Kai was killed and used by His Divine Shadow. ” How do you know?.. again Kai was killed by HDS over 6,000 years ago.
“Ok so if that dark figure is Kai then how could he end up on Water.”
The F*CK! are you talking about? Are you saying Kai, before he died, was a vampire for the Divine Order? Kai’s soul left his body and went to Water BEFORE being turned into an assasin. You do remember Kai was an assasin, right? I don’t understand what you are saying!! So being an assasin for the Divine Order doesn’t send him to Fire, but being used an assasin on Earth posing as a Vampire should? Is that not the same thing?
Please tell me you were drinking grandpa’s cough syrup again, Slop.
yeah, what he said
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[b]yeah, what he said[/b]
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Lee P. Sherman, code name DalekTek790
Whovian, Froudian, Lexxian, etc.
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Originally posted by DalekTek790:
[b] The Vampire is one of the most intriguing and varied myths humanity’s collective imagination has ever conceived. Brunnis is right, the modern image is very different from the earliest known stories of such creatures.The first incarnation of the Vampire was the Wampir,
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are we counting succubi as vampires? as far as firsts, how about Lamia/Lilith, striga or strix, brujas and chupasangre and so forth? even the Odyssey mentions having to placate a restless incorrupt corpse which required the correct funeral rites before he could be laid to rest…as you say, every culture has some variant of the idea, but i am not sure the Wampir is the first incarnation of the vampire… [img]http://www.sadgeezer.com/ubb/wink.gif[/img]
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The vampire thing is not being debated here. Slop is suggesting that KAI founded the Divine Order.
Maybe that’s just so off the wall it’s not registering.
Ok I will admit thinking that Kai’s soul did some time traveling and became evil wasn’t the most logical line of thinking. However I was not the first to say that dark figure may be Kai so I blame my insane rant on others. Hehe not really but still I retract my earlier theory but if it does turn out to be true then I don’t retract it.
-SM
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Originally posted by Slopmaster:
[b]Ok I will admit thinking that Kai’s soul did some time traveling and became evil wasn’t the most logical line of thinking. However I was not the first to say that dark figure may be Kai so I blame my insane rant on others. Hehe not really but still I retract my earlier theory but if it does turn out to be true then I don’t retract it.-SM[/b]
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Originally posted by Slopmaster:
[b] Now here is what I am thinking, that the dark hooded figure in the painting in “Texx Lexx” could be Kai. [/b]
If the dark silhouette had a weird haircut, then I might accept it as Kai. [img]http://www.sadgeezer.com/ubb/smile.gif[/img] As it is, it looks to me more like His Divine Shadow than anything else.
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Lee P. Sherman, code name DalekTek790
Whovian, Froudian, Lexxian, etc.This theory of Kai being the instigator of the divine order is not plausible, firstly if I remember rightly, HDS was not really human, but an insect controlling a human.
How would it be possible for Kai to be in contact with an insect (yes I know he carried some insect essence, but that was still part of HDS), plus the divine predecessors would have had knowledge of Kai being responsible for the Divine order.
Secondly, Kai, even an evil one would have no motivation to destroy the entire human race.
Kai did say however that there was another spirit version of him in the center of water, but it wasn’t really clear as to whether that Kai was good or evil.
I can only remember seeing one other version of Kai on water and that was actually Prince.
The Vampire take is an interesting one, the legend of Vampire comes from Vlad the Impaler, the legend grew from there.
So if HDS was reborn, it’s quite possible to assume that like Prince he could be reincarnated time and again.
Or could it be that if Prince is the devil, that he corrupted another (like an Anti-christ), and that person took the form of all historical tyrants like Genghis Khan, Hitler and Vlad the Impaler, and that the last reincarnation was HDS. Thus completing a full circle i.e Prince was responsible for HDS, but HDS came before Prince.
These historical figures seem to have one underlying tone, they all worshipped a type of black magic, was this actually them worshipping Prince?
One other thing about Vampire folklore was the mention of a kiss or embrace, with HDS using his kind of kiss makes his familiarity with Vampires complete.——————
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