Modurator’s report…Big Angry Rant!!!
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Well, I’ve read through the ‘Invasion Of the Modurators’ report, and I have to say, why oh why did you waste so much space on whining on about ‘McGarbo’!!!
So they guy ain’t ‘Mr.P.R’, that fact is well known, and he has had to put up with poor behavior from FANS in the past!Including one brat who took it upon herself to assault him sexually at the first UnCon. Well, if HE had pinched a fan’s ass without their permission, it would have been regarded as an assault I bet! Apparently, he was very patient with her, whereas I think I would have socked her one and called the police…but then, that’s just me. So, it is little wonder he’s wary around fans, and not everyone is blessed with being sociable. As far as being ‘attention seeking’…well, it seems to me at least one of the authors should give her own ego an overhaul, and not take things so personally! Actors are human beings, with thier own lives…and surely then, if he WAS that attention seeking, then the best thing would have been not to mention him at all? Or is it a popular on this board to knock actors who ‘don’t conform to fannish over expectations’. And if you think I believe Mr.McManus…that’s the guy’s name FX, NOT McGarbo!!!…is perfect or something…I haven’t met the man personally, but I know of others who have and he has actually shown some kindness in the past…even when, we, as fans do not deserve it.
So, give the guy a break, and allow him to be human. Not everyone ‘gets’ the clone thing ( I HATE the way the SciFi Board is littered with that crap BTW…should be left to mail groups or something…I really miss the Lexx Billbored you can tell..), not everyone is able to switch on and off like that. He may be a pain in the arse perhaps…but he is an actor, he DOES work hard with the rest of ’em…and he’s a human being….and has done a stirling job as Kai. So, leave the poor bugger alone if he wants that.
Back to the rest……
Some of the descriptions were ok, including about costumes etc, but I would have loved to have read more about the party itself, were there any other fans there, modurators from the Lexx billbored or chat rooms for instance? I also think the 3 way dialogue was annoying to fight through, as it was hard to sort out after a while who was saying what. It would have been better to have three individual accounts, three different views of the trip. It is very obvious that there were 3 very different expectations as well, but that got extremely muddled in the confusion dialogue. I think BlackCloud’s account was best, being more objective about the whole event.
The thing is…you guys were in a very privilledged position here, attending a unique event that will never be repeated, not even if they do a dozen UnCons (…I think that name should be dropped now anyway, since UnCon is obviously going to be more organised….to a ‘Con’ventional setting I’ll wager…) and I think that has certain responsibilities attached to it as well. That uniqueness got lost in the dialogue and the 1/4 amount devoted to MM bashing, which is a great, great shame to say the least.
Sorry, but I expected better from Sadgeezer’s representatives.
*With appologies to BlackCloud..her stuff was actually ok…*
Bugbomb.
PS/ Flames to my addy if you want. [img]images/smiles/icon_mad.gif[/img]
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Eh, I don’t know. The Report wasn’t as bad as all that. I don’t think our friends are professional reporters anyway. I enjoyed reading it all the same.
As for MMcM, who cares anymore. I don’t think he does anyway. [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
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[b]Originally Posted by Bugbomb[/b]
So they guy ain’t ‘Mr.P.R’, that fact is well known, and he has had to put up with poor behavior from FANS in the past!Including one brat who took it upon herself to assault him sexually at the first UnCon. Well, if HE had pinched a fan’s ass without their permission…
I had no idea someone did that. Wow some poeple are just beyond fanatical!
While I don’t share your opinion on the review in general, I do agree with you about MM. He’s only human, and he does have to deal with some “out there” fans. Their [the moderators] description of him being somewhat of a social recluse, kind of rmeinds me of myself to a certain extent. At first I’m not a very socialable person, but once I get to know everyone, and vice-versa, you can’t shut me up.
[QUOTE]… not even if they do a dozen UnCons (…I think that name should be dropped now anyway, since UnCon is obviously going to be more organised….to a ‘Con’ventional setting I’ll wager…)/QUOTE]
Where did you get the idea that Uncon is going to be more like a star trek convention? Is it because of the rumors circulating that organization has already begun? I for one have a [b]very strong feeling[/b] that Uncon 2002 will be very much like past uncons. I think that it will be more of a fan gathering then people buying gold and silver tickets to get in a hall with Brain Downey, Paul D et al. up on a stage talking about their experiences. Cast and crew interactions will probably be much like past years, in a bar over a beer. To be honest the only real differnce I forsee is there won’t be a tour of the Lexx sets, or possibly Electoropolis at all.
Okay. Firstly, if you’re going to criticize other people’s writing, it’s generally a good idea to at least make the effort to spell things correctly. I know, I know, this is just a message board and not a school paper, but sloppiness bugs me (no pun intended).
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Originally posted by Bugbomb:
Actors are human beings, with thier own lives…and surely then, if he WAS that attention seeking, then the best thing would have been not to mention him at all? Or is it a popular on this board to knock actors who ‘don’t conform to fannish over expectations’.
No, it’s not popular. It is fair, however, to criticize someone for the way they act. The moderators’ visit was something that everyone knew about well in advance, and it appears that McManus decided to make it clear that he didn’t really want to have anything to do with anyone. I know, that’s completely up to him, but he knew that people would be reporting on this, and should have known the impression he was putting across.
quote[quote]And if you think I believe Mr.McManus…that’s the guy’s name FX, NOT McGarbo!!!…is perfect or something…I haven’t met the man personally, but I know of others who have and he has actually shown some kindness in the past…even when, we, as fans do not deserve it.[/quote]
Well, then, he appears to have decided to stop showing kindness, which was unfortunate as it was being openly recorded by people who would report the details. If I were reporting on a visit to a film or TV set and I perceived an actor treating me like an ass, I would report on that. If you don’t like hearing it, then don’t read it. If the report just went on about how beautiful the guy is, I doubt that this criticism would have ever been written.
quote[quote]So, give the guy a break, and allow him to be human. Not everyone ‘gets’ the clone thing ( I HATE the way the SciFi Board is littered with that crap BTW…should be left to mail groups or something…I really miss the Lexx Billbored you can tell..), not everyone is able to switch on and off like that.[/quote]
None of this makes any sense whatsoever. What does McManus being human have to do with the posts on SciFi? What does the clone stuff have to do with anything? And what does that last phrase mean, anyway?
quote[quote]He may be a pain in the arse perhaps…but he is an actor, he DOES work hard with the rest of ’em…and he’s a human being….and has done a stirling job as Kai. So, leave the poor bugger alone if he wants that.[/quote]
If someone acts like an ass, they deserve to be called an ass. He may be human, but then, so is Downey. So is Rolf. So is Patricia. And they all appeared to be quite genuinely nice and kind people. McManus, knowing that reporters would be there, appeared to want to paint himself in the worst light.
quote[quote]Sorry, but I expected better from Sadgeezer’s representatives.[/quote]
Well, considering how this is the first negative thing I’ve read about the report (and that the main criticism comes from the fact that some people said “bad things” about McManus [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img] ), I think that most people have been pretty pleased with it. And, considering that it’s been stated that this is not supposed to be a “last word” on what went down during the time there, and that any questions about the events would be answered, I think that criticizing the work for what it *doesn’t* say is an invalid criticism. If there’s something you wanted to know, but wasn’t addressed in the piece, why not just *ask*? I mean, the authors post here all the time, it’s not like they’re inaccessible.
–Aleck
hello bugbomb, i assume you are the same bugbomb who’s reviews appear on drdel’s site? i was just rereading those and giggling a couple of nights ago…
[b]My take is, for what it’s worth, that he is now burnt out to the nth degree. He is probably more than a little tired of strange woman grabbing his ass in public places, and writing pornographic fantasies on the web about his character/him.[/b]
that quote is from one of my sections of the article; i am fx and i am suspicious that i am the moderator who ‘needs her ego overhauled’, in your words [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]…perhaps so, but that is not germane to this issue; i am well aware of the abuse mm has suffered at the hands of fans, and i am sorry for it;as you say, no one, male or female, should have to put up with the complete disregard for privacy that he, and other public figures, has suffered…mcmanus is most likely fed up, and i am not happy that he may have perceived me, or us, as more hormonally driven harpies [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]…and while i grant you that blackie and frey may not be completely impartial as they are also females, i think they would have told me if i appeared to be giving off those kind of vibes [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]…and they are welcome to say so here and now…as aleck says, this was not meant to be the last word on the subject, and everyone should ask questions for clarification…by the way, i still adore kai, and i still think mm is a fine actor, and i do not bear him any malice…i simply wrote down what i saw and thought, and truthfully, i doubt if he has given any of us a thought since those days…
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Everyone gets coal and sticks for X-mas this year!!!
[img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img] there is quite a bit of McManus bashing going on here lately. I love Aleck and FX cause they are my friends. Anyone who says anything negative about the SciFi board will always score big brownie points with me.
Not that I don’t love Black Cloud or Frey or Bugbomb but I don’t know them as well [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
But concerning McManus.. give the poor guy a break.
Soylent green is people too [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Aleck:
[QB]Okay. Firstly, if you’re going to criticize other people’s writing, it’s generally a good idea to at least make the effort to spell things correctly. I know, I know, this is just a message board and not a school paper, but sloppiness bugs me (no pun intended).Ohh…ok, what word(s) is it that you would like me to write a hundred times over on the chalk board then Miss? In Shakespeare’s time, the English language was written phonetically anyway. [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img] Great tradition, it should continue.
Well, considering how this is the first negative thing I’ve read about the report (and that the main criticism comes from the fact that some people said “bad things” about McManus [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img] ), I think that most people have been pretty pleased with it. And, considering that it’s been stated that this is not supposed to be a “last word” on what went down during the time there, and that any questions about the events would be answered, I think that criticizing the work for what it *doesn’t* say is an invalid criticism. If there’s something you wanted to know, but wasn’t addressed in the piece, why not just *ask*? I mean, the authors post here all the time, it’s not like they’re inaccessible.
No it isn’t…It’s a VERY valid critism. I have chatted with one of the authors on this already BTW…and that author hadn’t realised that the MM bashing was so prevalent. And, I hope the authors would be kind enough to answer the questions raised by my post here. Which reminds me…I have a couple of other bits to answer here…so ‘scuse me a min while I fly to….
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Originally posted by Bugbomb:
[QBOhh…ok, what word(s) is it that you would like me to write a hundred times over on the chalk board then Miss? In Shakespeare’s time, the English language was written phonetically anyway. [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img] Great tradition, it should continue.[b]aleck is a mr not a miss…regards spelling phonetically, well okay, whatever [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img][/b]
No it isn’t…It’s a VERY valid critism. I have chatted with one of the authors on this already BTW…and that author hadn’t realised that the MM bashing was so prevalent. [/QB]
what is a valid criticism?that there was too much michael bashing? so be it, there were plenty of good things written about him as well…as for not remarking on mm at all, we all considered it, but that would have been noticed as well…it was meant to be a somewhat humorous account of what happened; neither i nor the others are here to act as pr for mr mcmanus, so no, this was not a gushy fan piece…
regards why so much on him…well he was there, quite a bit, and he is a main character on the show, so yes, a lot was written about him…
as far as the actual wrap party, i spoke to the people i mentioned in the article (all people from cast and crew)…i am not aware of people from the lexxbored having been there (except for mamabear)…i obviously cannot speak for frey and blackie, as i left the party before they did
regards your discussions with ‘one of the authors’, well, blackie can speak for herself; she obviously chose to take a more diplomatic tack, and again, i do not wish to put words into her mouth…finally, i am sorry if you found the layout confusing…we were trying to give this the feel of three people together relaying what had gone on, from three different viewpoints,as if in a conversation you were listening to…
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Originally posted by Bugbomb:
Ohh…ok, what word(s) is it that you would like me to write a hundred times over on the chalk board then Miss?
Well, [b]sir,[/b] where would you like me to start?
quote[quote]In Shakespeare’s time, the English language was written phonetically anyway. [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img] Great tradition, it should continue.[/quote]
Well, it would make things easier for those who can’t be bothered to actually look at what they write to see if they’re misspelling things. All I was saying was that if you want to go around criticizing people for their writing, at least do so without misspelling every other word.
quote[quote]No it isn’t…It’s a VERY valid critism. [/quote]
No, to criticize someone for not answering your questions when they’ve already said that they would be happy to answer any questions raised by the text is invalid. You’re criticizing someone for not doing something when they’ve said that they were willing to do it. That is invalid criticism.
quote[quote]I have chatted with one of the authors on this already BTW…and that author hadn’t realised that the MM bashing was so prevalent. [/quote]
(A) Which author, and (B) did the author not *read* the piece in question? No offense to any of the authors of the piece, but if I were to lend my name to a piece of work, I would at least be sure of what it said.
Or was the author being polite and saying that they didn’t realize that *so much* could be *taken* as MM bashing? This shifts the focus away from the words on the page and on the individual interpreting the words.At any rate, why is it so freakin’ important that MM be excluded from any criticism? As I’ve said, if he’s acted like an ass, he did so in front of people who would be reporting his actions, and he was asking for it. And, also, why does it *matter*??? What illusion is being torn asunder by this piece? MM was not the friendliest of folks, and this was reported. Get over it.
–Aleck
Some more for Aleck…..and some others.
Quote ‘The Moderators’ visit was known about by everybody in advance…McManus made it clear he did not want to have anything to do with anyone..’ End Quote
Quote ‘he knew that people would be reporting on this, and should have known the impression he was putting across.’ End Quote.
Bloody good for him!! I didn’t realise that Sadgeezer.com’s ’employees’ were so bleedin’ important…!!! Are there tears because the Red Carpet wasn’t rolled out as well by Minion McManus!?! How arrogant of you!!! Goes to show our ‘bad boy’ is no brown noser!! Hooray!!
Quote. ‘Well. then, he appears to have stopped showing kindness which was unfortunate as it was openly being recorded..’ End Quote.
And it goes on…ad infinitum, ad nausium ( latin parody m’dear…will I have to stay in after skool to correct that too? And Aleck…don’t care what gender you are…you’ll always be MissSkoolMarm to me!! )
Y’see there you go again Aleck!! It’s that arrogant tone of your reply that assumes that Michael and the other Actors all have to be the same. Yes, PatZ, Brian and Rolf were probably nicer, but then I doubt they have had quite the attention MM has had, certainly in the weird stakes anyway. Plus, I think I would get ****ed off with being ‘on parade’ all the time when I am trying to do my job. All should have been polite enough to take the hint and leave him alone, and anyone else who happened to be giving off signals. It’s good manners, anywhoosie, who is to say that maybe someone didn’t upset him first?
Quote: ‘What does McManus being human have to do with the posts on scifi? What does the clone stuff have to do with anything?’ End quote.
Well, why the hell not chuck that one in…it does bear some relevence actually, as it sets a presidence (s/p? more lines miss? ) on how people act and then make assumptions that everyone should be grateful/knowledgeable about clones or anything else. It is known that the clone stuff has freaked some of the actors out, himself being one of them. Maybe after hearing about that, it’s put himself off fans even more.
The very last phrase of mine about switching on and off is even more relevant. You may find that Brian has more skill in dealing with people, he is more of a ‘salesman’ type. I had the honour of meeting him last year, and yes he is a sweetie and a totally different person and he has a natural talent, a ‘people person’..but that can be Brian’s vulnerabilty too I think, as there are those who would be inclined to take advantage of that, with little or no regard for the man himself…trust me, I’ve seen it happen.
The point is…that maybe MM is not able to just switch on the charm while working at the same time? Whereas maybe the others can…I don’t know.
No, I don’t want the report to be about how beautiful MM is or anything like that, and FX, I do take your point about writing as you find. But y’all gotta realise, as much as you might have been invited etc, you’re not royalty, but guests and I think there was too much expectation about MM, and I think more may have been unconsciously expected of him than the others? And I think MM does find it genuinly difficult to put on the ‘charm offensive’ all the time, and that has been known about for a while. And I’m sorry, but name calling has no place either.
And as Flamegrape states…it was not a ‘professional article’ either done by professional journalists, now, that’s not to say that the authors were not entitled to good manners like anyone else. But again…too much expectation there, and I still hold to the view, that the account could have been better laid out.
No doubt, this will rage on a bit I guess and you’re right, I doubt if MM cares about this or anything else, except his work and family life…and it has to be said, that some handle ‘fame’ better than others. What has to be recognised as well…it that while there are hundreds..even thousands of us…there’s only one Brian, one Michael etc…and that one person may find such vast numbers of fans and more so, their expectations difficult to deal with as the fan base expands? MM hasn’t switched off ‘being kind’ but I think there has been a misunderstanding that got blown out of proportion, and that’s what has been exploited I think…
We know already that Michael isn’t always the good boy that some expect him to be, he isn’t a brown noser and maybe does lack charm. But at the same time…the MM bashing has coloured the article…drawing the focus from the event itself…and ok, harking back to an earlier comment…I will ask now then, since we’re all in the same room….what about the party Moderators, what happened there?
Oh…and the UnCon name change. Now there’s a topic for debate…mwahahahahaha!!!!!!!!! And hell, yes..it’s already been ‘trekked’…we’ve had costumes, music, you even had a craft table or two at the last one, with weird dolls that have detachable genitals and everything…bloody hell, if that ain’t like every other SciFi con I’ve been to already! [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
Anywhoosie, I’ll let y’all grump, agree, ignore, whatever ‘cos I’m off to bed.
*Huggles to Frey, FX and Blackcloud* Whatever I may think of the article itself…and it’s only one opinion in the zillions of others…I’m glad y’all went to Hali and had a fab time none the less”!!
So…Miss, how’s about that spellin’ list then [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img] or maybe you can’t sell lick whut I dooze oiver…anywhoosie, no where in my…er…critique did I bash grammar or spelling….Marm! [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by Bugbomb:
Some more for Aleck…..and some others.Quote ‘The Moderators’ visit was known about by everybody in advance…McManus made it clear he did not want to have anything to do with anyone..’ End Quote
Quote ‘he knew that people would be reporting on this, and should have known the impression he was putting across.’ End Quote.
Bloody good for him!! I didn’t realise that Sadgeezer.com’s ’employees’ were so bleedin’ important…!!! Are there tears because the Red Carpet wasn’t rolled out as well by Minion McManus!?! How arrogant of you!!! Goes to show our ‘bad boy’ is no brown noser!! Hooray!!
I’m not saying that anyone from the Sadboard was of any great importance. This is just an internet site. It’s not like “Entertainment Weekly” or “Time.” What I *am* saying (if you can grasp this simple point) is that if MM cared one way or the other about how he was presented, he would have acted differently. Obviously he didn’t. Good for him. If he doesn’t want to have anything to do with someone from a website, then more power to him. But to criticize someone for *reporting that fact* is ridiculous. If he makes a big show of not wanting to have anything to do with anyone, then more will be said about this. And like FX said, there were positive things about him said in the write-up.
quote[quote]And Aleck…don’t care what gender you are…you’ll always be MissSkoolMarm to me!![/quote]
Well, that’s just peachy keen. I could resort to infantile name-calling as well, but chances are any name I’d pick would just end up deleted by the moderators. [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
quote[quote]Y’see there you go again Aleck!! It’s that arrogant tone of your reply that assumes that Michael and the other Actors all have to be the same. Yes, PatZ, Brian and Rolf were probably nicer, but then I doubt they have had quite the attention MM has had, certainly in the weird stakes anyway. [/quote]
I’m sorry, I didn’t think it was arrogant to expect someone to treat their guests somewhat cordially. Shame on me, then.
quote[quote]It’s good manners, anywhoosie, who is to say that maybe someone didn’t upset him first?[/quote]
I’d say the people present would be the ones to say, rather than you.
quote[quote]No, I don’t want the report to be about how beautiful MM is or anything like that, and FX, I do take your point about writing as you find. But y’all gotta realise, as much as you might have been invited etc, you’re not royalty, but guests and I think there was too much expectation about MM, and I think more may have been unconsciously expected of him than the others? [/quote]
Judging from the writeup, I don’t think that any unreasonably high expectations were raised. I think a reasonable expectation is that guests be treated with respect and graciousness. I think, judging from the tone of the posts leading up to this, from the writeup itself and from the conversations I’ve had, that the authors *knew* that they were being let in on something special, and were fairly careful to *not* get in the way or intrude where not wanted. And I don’t think that they were expecting anything more than to be treated like any other fan or guest. And if MM’s treatment was found lacking, it was reported upon. And, to repeat myself and FX, there were positive things said as well. You are simply singling out any criticism of MM that exists in the article as being unwanted. Again, I say that if only glowing praise was said about MM, you wouldn’t be complaining at all.
quote[quote]And I’m sorry, but name calling has no place either.[/quote]
…And you’d know all about that.
quote[quote]And as Flamegrape states…it was not a ‘professional article’ either done by professional journalists, now, that’s not to say that the authors were not entitled to good manners like anyone else. But again…too much expectation there…[/quote]
Oh, so you’re saying that it’s wrong to expect *anything* out of MM, but yet it’s perfectly fine for you to place expectations on people reporting what happened…
I think you’re implying a whole hell of a lot by saying that the writers weren’t displaying “good manners.” It seems that they got on well with everyone that crossed their paths, save one. It’s just the one that you think is most important is the one that ruffled feathers.So, let’s just get this straight. Besides not enough detail about the party, and the writing style in general, the only thing you’re railing on and on and on and on about is this:
SOMEONE SAID SOMETHING THAT COULD BE CONSTRUED AS “BAD” ABOUT MICHAEL MCMANUS.
Never mind that positive things were said. Never mind that the events that transpired were reported on accurately (seeing as it’s gone through a panel of three, I think the consensus is that it’s accurate). Never mind that the article is not supposed to be a model of journalistic objectivity (and runs more toward the tone of a columnist’s article or op-ed in the newspaper). The important thing is that a possibly negative impression about Michael McManus may have been given, and his honor MUST BE DEFENDED!!!
[img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]
It’d be funny if it weren’t so pathetic.
–Aleck
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Originally posted by Bugbomb:
….. and I think there was too much expectation about MM, and I think more may have been unconsciously expected of him than the others?…I will ask now then, since we’re all in the same room….what about the party Moderators, what happened there?
[b]Expected more of him than the others? Oh no BugBomb, I assure you that I had several people give me a run down on what to expect in Halifax from all of the cast and crew. And I must say they were hitting the nail on the head.
Well the party was large and noisy and I talked to lots of people I don’t know including several gate crashers who asked me what was Lexx about anyhow. [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img] I also talked to some of the people I had meet during the trip, like the guys from the CGI shop (total sweeties) I had tons of people stop and ask me if I had enjoyed my visit, I thanked about a million people, popped a few pain pills and a good time was had by all. Ummm except for Brian Cosens, poor guy, he had to work the party. He said he was the Designated adult. [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img][/b]
I don’t want to take sides here because clearly there are offensive tones to most everyone’s post.
What is clear to me though is that judging from the report and pictures.. or [i]lack of[/i].. that cleary FX, Frey and Black Cloud did not get nearly as drunk as I had hoped.
Then again.. for once at least anyways.. I get to sit this one out.
I believe a well beloved fictional character once Xclaimed:
[i]”Eegads!! Whatsa meesa sayin’?”[/i]
Although I believe in the closed captioning on the new DVD.. “Eegads!!” was something like: “Ee! gods!”.
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Originally posted by X:
.. that cleary FX, Frey and Black Cloud did not get nearly as drunk as I had hoped.
Well, let me see. I had a screwdriver on Thursday night, and ….pehaps another one on Friday, but then I think I drank gingerale and bottled water the rest of the trip. [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img] Eep, sorry to let you down X. [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Aleck:
[QB]Quote “Oh, so you’re saying that it’s wrong to expect *anything* out of MM, but yet it’s perfectly fine for you to place expectations on people reporting what happened…
I think you’re implying a whole hell of a lot by saying that the writers weren’t displaying “good manners.” It seems that they got on well with everyone that crossed their paths, save one. It’s just the one that you think is most important is the one that ruffled feathers.” End Quote.
No Aleck…I don’t think MM is the most important one there…I think Brian is actually, as he has top billing on the show. But I DO think MM is an easy target right now. I do know that there are those who like to gossip about him…use him as a target, and then you all get so terribly OFFENDED when he decides enough is enough and won’t play the game any more…a self fullfilling prophesy I think….so the gossips can be justified in their tattle. ( BTW Frey et al, if you knew ahead of time about ‘everything’ after questioning peeps…and by that, I am assuming now that means knowing that our boy is bad…why the outrage? Surely you should not have been surprised then by his manner? And expected it, dealt with it etc, passed it off as normal..)
There was another Lexx actor who was a target last year…because of drink…but yet that actor had been through a dreadful year…the snippets loved to cackle on about THAT weakness and how awful THAT ACTOR was at the time….NOT that was any of their business of course. Besides…you are saying then…that it was not meant to be a professional article…but yet you expect to be treated like professionals..with full rights and privilleges…hmmmm…what a pile of dingos kidneys and cow poo……
No…they were sad because sucking up didn’t work on this occasion I think.
Quote “So let’s just get this straight. Besides not enough detail about the party, and writing style in general, the only thing you’re railing on and on and on and on about is this:
SOMEONE SAID SOMETHING THAT COULD BE CONSTRUED AS “BAD” ABOUT MICHAEL MCMANUS.” End Quote.
Yup…hit the nail on the head there Brud..no denials. Guilty as charged…send me to Jail…do not pass go etc. And bugger me…yes…it was bad!
Actually, someone has made a very good point by stating that you are absolutely wrong by assuming MM should have known reporters were there and should have acted ‘acted accordingly’…and their comment about that is not repeatable,I’ll state mine again, however, and say what a pile of cow dooodoos. There could be other issues raised as well…but I do realise, Miss, that you are defending your home I guess, against illiterate little sods like me that dare come in and have an opinion or two and who are not afraid to defend the Mcmanus’s of this world…and what’s so firkin’ wrong with defending MM anyway? I would and HAVE defended the other actors as well, against such bull.
And again…I state, I know that MM isn’t perfect by any stitch of the imagination…actually, now I think of it…girls…you should be PLEASED then that Michael DID conform to what the gossips and brown nosers have supposedly said about him. Just think how shocking it would have been if he was NICE or something…then where would we be!
There is more to this than meets the eye. Sides…were YOU there Aleck?…did you SEE what happened? As mentioned before, it was another actor’s turn for the bashing because of a supposed drink problem last year….now it seems the worm has turned somewhat and it’s MM’s turn THIS year, so whatever he does will be wrong…I wonder who the ‘nasty’ vitim will be in 2002?…Names on a postcard please..
Oh…and while we’re about it. Another point in the article…the signing thing. I think it says a lot for MM’s character that he would sign stuff for fans but not for potential dealers…and fancy getting into a pickle for not getting an autograph from someone you can’t stand…heheheh!! Maybe someone should have asked him about what he thinks of his scribble becoming a commodity and about conventions…? That would have been kind of interesting.
All in all Aleck…and I KNOW you just GOTTA have the last word, to justify your intelligence, spelling and grammar skills, general suck-upage and all that…I have to say this has been a good ‘un!!! Looking forward to your next installment….
Over to you Miss!! [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
Ps/ I think a good carroting will be in order here…..
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Originally posted by Bugbomb:
No Aleck…I don’t think MM is the most important one there…I think Brian is actually, as he has top billing on the show. But I DO think MM is an easy target right now. I do know that there are those who like to gossip about him…use him as a target, and then you all get so terribly OFFENDED when he decides enough is enough and won’t play the game any more…a self fullfilling prophesy I think….
Listen, point out a single post prior to the writeup in which any of the authors spread gossip about McManus. Name one instance in which this took place. You can’t? Sorry, then your point is not valid.
quote[quote]Besides…you are saying then…that it was not meant to be a professional article…but yet you expect to be treated like professionals..with full rights and privilleges…hmmmm…what a pile of dingos kidneys and cow poo……[/quote]
Jesus, you’re dense. Look, nobody was saying that they wanted to be treated like professionals. Find where that’s been said anywhere. All I said was that it probably would have been nice to have been treated with something approaching common courtesy. Get that through your skull.
quote[quote]No…they were sad because sucking up didn’t work on this occasion I think.[/quote]
Your judgement of character and motive is just freakin’ unparalleled.
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Quote “So let’s just get this straight. Besides not enough detail about the party, and writing style in general, the only thing you’re railing on and on and on and on about is this:
SOMEONE SAID SOMETHING THAT COULD BE CONSTRUED AS “BAD” ABOUT MICHAEL MCMANUS.” End Quote.
Yup…hit the nail on the head there Brud..no denials. Guilty as charged…send me to Jail…do not pass go etc. And bugger me…yes…it was bad!
Oh, dear…someone said that MM was less-than-friendly. THE HORROR!!!! How DARE they??? How DARE they report what was seen? No one should *EVER* say anything containing anything other than complete REVERENCE regarding MM!!!
quote[quote]Actually, someone has made a very good point by stating that you are absolutely wrong by assuming MM should have known reporters were there and should have acted ‘acted accordingly’[/quote]
I never said that. I’ll thank you to not put words in my mouth and attribute quotes where they don’t exist. I said (and made it explicit in my last post) that if he wanted to act in any way he wanted to in front of whoever is around, it’s his choice. It’s up to him. I never said that he should have acted in a certain way. What I *did* say is that for you to criticize someone for reporting that he *DID* act in a certain way is idiotic.
quote[quote]and what’s so firkin’ wrong with defending MM anyway? I would and HAVE defended the other actors as well, against such bull. [/quote]
Face it, you’re only defending him because of some misguided hero-worship. You can’t handle someone saying something the *least* bit critical about him, and you’re just going with a gut reaction because someone besmirched the fine name of McManus with accusations of unfriendliness. Well, you know what? I think McManus can survive a report of a bout of being ****y. I don’t think he needs some unfortunate person defending his honor against rumors of moodiness. It’s not like people are going around saying that he kicks puppies or slaps his stand-in around. It’s not like people are saying that he shoots up heroin in his eyeball to hide the tracks. Dear lord, the guy’s *moody*. Has a tendency of unfriendliness. Who the f*ck cares??? If thefrey, FX and BlackCloud are as unimportant as you keep pointing out that they are, WHY DO YOU GIVE A RAT’S ASS WHAT THEY SAY?
quote[quote]As mentioned before, it was another actor’s turn for the bashing because of a supposed drink problem last year….[/quote]
…A bashing in which no one here was involved, so stop trying to pass the buck…
quote[quote]now it seems the worm has turned somewhat and it’s MM’s turn THIS year, so whatever he does will be wrong…[/quote]
Jumping Jesus on a pogo stick, Buggy, you just can’t look past the evil accusations of moodiness to see that positive things were said about the guy. No one has been completely critical. FX posted and said that she still respects and enjoys his work. Hell, I enjoy him in the few things I’ve seen him in. So I don’t think it’s a case of “whatever he does is wrong”-syndrome. I don’t see any completely negative talk about him. So get OVER IT.
quote[quote]All in all Aleck…and I KNOW you just GOTTA have the last word, to justify your intelligence, spelling and grammar skills, general suck-upage and all that…I have to say this has been a good ‘un!!! Looking forward to your next installment….[/quote]
Oh yeah, I’m sucking up all over the place. I’m sure I’m steadily winning friends and influencing people with these posts. It hasn’t really been a good ‘un though, simply because you’re such an easy damned target.
–Aleck
Holy cow, ladies and gentlemen.
I find this to be far from your ordinary selves! All this bashing and debating!
Arggg…
All I can offer you is samplings from the multitude of actors and actresses that I’ve met.When I meet an actor, (I was taught by the experts at SAG Screen Actors Guild) I was told NOT to say, “Hi, I’m a fan! You’re -” It supposedly puts an actor or actress on the spot. Using this formula, I have made friends with several, who think of me as a friend, not as a fan. I do not take pictures with them, I do not ask for autographs. If you see me at UnCon this next year, you’ll see what I mean.
Okay, so we all know the UnCons were for meeting fellow Lexxans, but most went hoping to meet the actors. After all the fantasizing, I realized that it’s okay to think it, just don’t DO it! I was amazed to hear from your rants that someone had “assaulted” Mr. McManus without his permission.However! This does little to help him in the eyes of the public. I believe Aleck is correct. To defend his actions is either hero worship or stupidity. He’s in charge of his own life, let him live with the reprecussions! As we all know he prides himself in being the odd-man-out. We shall see what this does for his career in the coming years.
As for me, I am content now to sit and watch the hideous babbling about this man from a distance… I refuse to be interested anymore! If he shows some promise as an ACTOR then I shall surely applaud him. He’s got a long swim ahead of him.
[img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img] Rustam. [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]I don’t have anything substantial to add to the main subject of this thread. All I want to do is to reiterate what FX said about an actor’s “drinking problem” (or whatever the problem was). It’s really none of our business. Especially since it didn’t seem to interfere with the production of the show or cause any legal trouble. The production of the show is over and we need not be concerned with the personal affairs of others.
At the risk of getting even more off-topic, I wanted to relate a recent experience I had at another bboard. Since SadGeezer was down for the last week, I decided to cruise for another bboard. Since I liked watching the season premier of [i]Ally McBeal[/i] (after not watching the show for maybe more than a year) I wondered if there was a bboard dedicated to that show. There was. I was stunned by the truly fanatical obsession of the bboard members. And I thought that Trekkers were crazy! They were all upset that this new season of the show was really lame. And that they all really missed the presence of Robert Downey Jr. on that show. For those of you who aren’t familiar with RDJ (as he is called on that bboard), he is an actor who is notorious for getting into trouble with drug abuse. I blithely commented that “he f***ed up and he got fired from the show, what did they expect?” And the hammer came down on me because I instantly got into trouble with a bunch of fans on that site! Oops! I didn’t really mean to get those fans upset. It turns out that RDJ was [b]very, very[/b] popular on [i]Ally McBeal[/i]. A very touchy subject indeed. I apologized extensively and talked a little about my first-hand experiences with a friend’s drug problem. Everything turned out okay.
Anyway, the point I was trying to make was that problems with temperance are private. It is of no real concern to fans unless it affects the performance of the actor (singer, artist, whatever). In the case of RDJ on [i]Ally McBeal[/i], I still think he f***ed up and deserved getting fired. With whoever it is in the cast or crew of [i]Lexx[/i] that had their problems, I don’t really want to know. At least not now. Maybe many years from now when that person can look back and laugh about it.
But I have to admit I was concerned about initial reports from one of the moderators that Xenia seemed really ill while on the set during the final days of production. This set off paranoid alarm bells in my head that maybe [i]she[/i] has problems with drugs or alcohol! But I asked nothing about it, it’s not my business. Nonetheless, I was still worried. It’s a good thing I didn’t start any rumors because it’s [b]NOT TRUE AT ALL[/b] (rumor control, folks!) I read the full report by the moderators and I was relieved to read the truth. Xenia just had the flu and even her mummy was there to help take care of her. (I thought that was so sweet!) She still had the energy to perform and even give a smile to theFrey! (I’m so green with envy!) [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
(Visit my [url=http://www.flamegrape.com/xev/index.htm]Xev Picture Archive[/url]!) [img]images/smiles/icon_cool.gif[/img]
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I’m curious to know what these awful things are that fans have done to Michael McManus. So far, in two years, the only incident anyone has specifically mentioned is the one where a misguided, very young (and probably drunk) female fan grabbed his butt cheek at the first UnCon. Bad enough, certainly, but I heard that he was very kind, and handled it well, and the girl was extremely embarrassed afterward.
Since then, no one has detailed any other incidences, other than the usual silly fan worship from afar (and God knows, I’ve done my share). What, exactly, happened that made him so afraid of fans? Has anyone threatened him? Propositioned him? No one ever says.
Can it be that he just considers himself a “serious” actor who doesn’t want to be bothered with all the fan stuff? I’ve said before that he isn’t exactly a people person, and maybe isn’t the kind of person I’d want him to be, but it’s certainly his right to be whatever he wants.
As for the clone stuff, why WAS that brought up? I doubt MMcM even knows about that, or if he’s heard, I seriously doubt he gives a rat’s patoot about it. Why would he? It doesn’t have anything at all to do with him personally. The game is based on a character which, as of now, he no longer inhabits.
[img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img] It’s fun to be back! Weeeee…. wowers.
*waving to FX, Dgre and FlameGrape!* [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]quote:
Originally posted by Rustam:
[img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img] It’s fun to be back! Weeeee…. wowers.
*waving to FX, Dgre and FlameGrape!* [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
okay, everybody down to the sewer; aleck set up the tiki bar and i have a new box of those cute little umbrellas…we can drink and wave body parts at each other [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]…blackie is sick so i will move her aromatherapy candles out of the way (i just sat on one of her healing crystals too..damn)
dgre, i mentioned the fan fic in the article as a throw away comment; he probably doesn’t give a rat’s tail about it, but it was metaphor for the more obsessive fans camping out around his doorstep [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] … no offense please…
Hey, it’s nice to see the board up and running again along with a few good arguments, er I meant discussions! [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] I was interested to see Bugbomb’s posting because she (not very tactfully but what the hell!) brought up some stuff that had been nagging at me . So, even though I haven’t been around here as long as some I figure I’ve been around long enough now to jump feet first into the fire as well [img]images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img]–and please, this is not an attack on anyone, these are my opinions. I don’t know anyone on the
show, I don’t know anyone on the board, I’ve never
heard any rumors about any of the actors, about any of the board members, about anyone at all!!!!When I read the Moderator’s report, I didn’t actually get as strong a “bashing” impression from it as Bugbomb did. BlackCloud’s comments put things into pretty good perspective I thought, and by that time, though I was tremendously entertained by the Report, I was reading it with a grain of salt– it had become clear that the expectations of fandom were in competition with reporting functions; it’s certainly something I can understand– and it sure added a good personal touch to the descriptions. What did bother me though was the thread that followed the report when it for some reason dribbled into what I characterize as H.S. cafeteria conversation (from a number of people, not specifically the moderators): was he looking at me? I know he was looking at me! Oh my gawd I won’t turn around now…..why doesn’t he like me, he must be a jerk. Puhleese people, what are you thinking?!! Honestly, McManus’ actions, as described, didn’t seem particularly out of line, or particularly hard to understand: the studio is his place of work, he was in the middle of working (and working at what seems to have been a very emotional time for all there), he wasn’t prepared to expend his energy on giving visiting strangers a “meaningful” experience. So? Why take it so personally? Can you imagine how unbearable it must be at times knowing that “meaningful” is what total strangers want from you, the handshake and the hello are never enough?
As I read it, all the main actors had their own ways of protecting themselves: Xenia had the flu, the feet, the mother; Downey is clearly a natural charmer who draws energy from social contact, and seems to have perfected a variation of hiding in plain sight. I don’t have a problem with any of that; it’s not like anyone blew off a scheduled interview or didn’t show up at a confirmed public appearance. And let’s not forget that McManus does probably bear the brunt of whatever fan misbehaviour there may be, and seems the least capable of manufacturing a separate public persona to trot out on these occasions. Or maybe he’s a jerk–I don’t know, I don’t expect I ever will, and I don’t really care–
how can there be this much meaning in a 30 second meeting with some actor?What do we want as fans? What do the actors actually owe us? What any actor owes me is to give me his best as an actor: to be true to the character, to respect my intelligence enough to take some chances and assume I can follow where he’s going, to entertain and sometimes even surprise and move me. From my point of view McManus has done that; there’s been no decline into campiness or bathos in his portrayal of Kai, he hasn’t resorted to coasting on his looks, he hasn’t been afraid to appear silly or take chances in the role–he’s avoided all the typical stumbling blocks of series television.
What I owe him as a fan is to take his work seriously, to appreciate the thought, effort and talent he puts into it, and to be open to the experience and the feeling he is trying to convey.
I don’t see that there is any way to go beyond that–McManus does NOT owe me his personal attention, I do NOT owe McManus personal adulation (I save that for Kai!). So far we’ve both fulfilled our obligations.
Any wants or fantasies I may have regarding the character are not the actor’s responsibility, either I work them out on my own, or I find a like-minded group of people and we discuss and natter and joke about the show the way we do here.I hope this is taken as meant, just my personal feelings on fandom. I think the trip and the report were a great idea and resulted in a very entertaining document. FX, Frey and Black Cloud are obviously good writers and intelligent and clever observers, the three way journal worked very
well for me. I actually have a couple of suggestions but have already gone on too long [img]images/smiles/icon_redface.gif[/img] and will spare everyone those till some time in the future.Now that I’ve gotten that out of my system, I’m ready for another set-to. Shall we tee off on the CF’s? [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] (I’m joking, I’m joking, I swear)
elmey
quote:
Originally posted by Bugbomb:
…..( BTW Frey et al, if you knew ahead of time about ‘everything’ after questioning peeps…and by that, I am assuming now that means knowing that our boy is bad…why the outrage? Surely you should not have been surprised then by his manner? And expected it, dealt with it etc, passed it off as normal..)
In regards to MM’s personality, I did not ‘question’ anyone, but several people did mention things about him to me prior to my trip. However, despite having no reason to doubt them, I like to give every one the benefit of the doubt. For all I knew there could have been extenuating circumstances that I was unaware of. As to the rest, possibly my definition of normal does not encompass as much as it should, but I do try.
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Originally posted by Bugbomb:
……All should have been polite enough to take the hint and leave him alone, and anyone else who happened to be giving off signals. It’s good manners, anywhoosie, who is to say that maybe someone didn’t upset him first?…But y’all gotta realise, as much as you might have been invited etc, you’re not royalty, but guests ….
Well, I can answer this one I think. Working on that old thing as I am, my family used the then popular ‘Twaptt to the back of the head’ method of behavior modification. If ever my manners or truthfulness were lacking as I grew up, my mother would preface her correctional discourse with a quick, discrete Twaptt to the back of the head. This was guaranteed to get my attention and make me amend my behavior to avoid further correction. While this method of child rearing has gone out of style, it must be said in it’s defense, that the lessons learned in this manner stay with a person for their entire life. Which is why, even today, I will flinch slightly and feel a tingle at the back of my head if ever I do something that would have displeased my parents. Worse however than this was the ‘Oh honey – sorrowful shaking of her aged old head’ method that my grandmother used to make sure that I observed the courtesys between host and guest.
Therefore I can guarantee you that at no point in time did my manners towards anyone in Halifax cause me to have the ‘tingle’ of regret, or invoke any spectral head shakings. I asked permission before I went places, thanked people for their time, respected the rules that the studio worked under and obeyed the common courtesies in my dealings with everyone I came in contact with.
The ladies and I presented gifts and notes of thanks to the principals of our visit, Paul Donovan, Lex Gigeroff, Mr. Downey and Ms. Outhit. I presented gifts to the main cast, and small thank you gifts to some of the office and crew. My only regret the whole trip was that I did not bring more gifts of a regional nature for the crew. They were so wonderful, I wish I had been able to find the space to bring twice as many as I did.
While it is unfortunate that certain parts of my report upset you, I don’t lie not even by omission, no matter what grief it may cause me. I did not do anything to provoke unpleasant behavior in any one at Salter Street, and none of my actions while I was in Halifax would have caused the slightest embarrassment to my family, for the manner in which I was raised. Nor did I observe anything like that on the part of my companions. But then neither would it have occurred to me to suggest or infer that someone else was guilty of acting like royalty or exhibiting poor manners with out irrefutable proof. [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
Well, here I am, playing devil’s advocate again…
Interesting notes:
1. The constant mention of an ‘actor’ having a drinking problem and the gossip about it seems to come strictly from the person that is supposed to be AGAINST the gossip-mongerers. ( I never even heard about it until now, and of course now I want to know who it was) So if the gossip is a problem, apparently the faux-pas is yours for bringing it up.
2. The Clone-fic thing and how it ‘freaks’ some of the actors out, etc. was brought up by Bugbomb also, she who has authored her own ‘pornographic’ fics, seen on more than one website, featuring Kai…etc..So it seems quite hypocritical to mention it unless you’re lily-white in that matter as well.
3. The Michael ‘bashing’..is a harsh term, I wouldn’t say necessarily that he was bashed. Possibly he was tired, upset about something else, or totally burned out on the whole show or someone IN the show..but the fact that he acted a certain way to certain people cannot be dismissed by using the term ‘bashing’. It doesn’t take much to be polite when shaking hands, or saying hello, no one asked to hang with him all day, and anytime he didn’t want to be bothered, all he had to say was, “I’m not trying to be rude, but I’m not in the mood for company right now..” I think anyone with the least civility would have taken their leave, instead of him calling a fan a ‘geek’ that wanted a ticket to the show, etc. in front of the guests that day. Perhaps the discourtesy (really unusual for Canadians, thus the glaring comparison)was just something the moderators felt they need not tolerate with silence…it’s totally their call, to report as they saw it.
As for MM, I think he is a marvelous actor, a talent way beyond most seen on the little telly tube today, and I have heard tales of both kindness and crankiness, which just makes him an all-around human being, with problems like the rest of us, but that’s just the way I see it.
So for the worshippers out there, worship away, I don’t fault you your adoration, but don’t take it personally if someone says something you don’t like, if you weren’t there, you don’t know how it affected those who were… [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]hey rusty long time no see! [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
bugbomb, i have been called many things, but suck up isn’t one of them;wish i knew how though, would have made life a lot easier!
for the record, allison/mamabear sent a list of rules before we went that were kind of surprising to me because they all seemed rather obvious. I guess however, that such things had occurred in previous encounters with fans;
do not take pictures without permission (X, that is why i took so few pictures, i did not want to be in people’s faces with a camera all the time)
do not go into people’s dressing rooms (duh! guess what happens to people who make themselves at home in my office and desk without my permission!)
do not break off pieces of scenery, sets, props (okay buggy, do you happen to know anything about why people have to be warned not to vandalize a place? i’m asking because you have been to an uncon, frey,aleck and i have not)
allison, as many of you know, was leaving electropolis two weeks before our arrival for a new job…she informed paul and lex that we were coming to interview them and the crew…she also told brian, who has been the most involved with the pr and fan events… what i did not realize until thursday afternoon was that she had also given everybody a heads up by way of the call sheet…this was not because we are important (most people we spoke to had never seen a sadgeezer site [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img] )…this was so people wouldn’t be startled by three geeks wandering around the studio
finally, buggy, blackie and frey are more outgoing than i am; if brian had not made a point of meeting and greeting us that first morning i would not have had the courage to start talking to him first…that is not because he is a star, that is just because in person ,at least [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img], i do not go up to strangers and start yakking…if anyone showed reluctance to speak to me, by looking away when i looked at them, or swerving away from me when i saw them, i obviously did not chase them down and attempt to force the issue…frey has the ability to chat easily with people, but she too would pull back if her efforts were rebuffed (that is why she asked me to get the picture signed for saddy and newkate, and that is why, by that point i simply couldn’t)
what i am trying to say here is that noone here had any sense of entitlement, and that we were extremely grateful for the kindness we were shown, and somewhat mystified by some behavior, some of which we remarked upon,and theorized about, and most of which we did not (the piece is too damn long anyway [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] )…and btw, i did not hear the rumors about a certain actor’s behavior until after this article was written, and i really do not wish to pursue that bit of nastiness; none of us saw it ,and it has no place in a public forum…love fxquote:
Originally posted by elmey:
What did bother me though was the thread that followed the report when it for some reason dribbled into what I characterize as H.S. cafeteria conversation
Hummmm, could this be????
** theFrey does some deep soul searching, this takes perhaps 2 seconds**
OHMYGOD! It could! All right people, that’s it! No More Silly Stuff! [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
** theFrey searches for her H.S. Silliness chip. This takes much longer than the soul searching since she has had so many personality upgrades. Finally she locates it a few levels below her enlighten cynicism board, and just to the left of her impending senility socket. She gets out her chip pullers and removes it **
Hey, who knew the d*mn thing was still working. [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
Note to self: Certain symbols cannot be used if you want the whole message to show up. I really must strive to remember this. [img]images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img]
[ 03-11-2001: Message edited by: thefrey ]
mayaxiong, elmey, et al; thank you for the thoughtful posts…i confess i am somewhat a multiple personality as, on the one hand, i was raised as strictly as thefrey, and i cringe at bad manners, in myself or others, when dealing with people…having said that, you have to make allowances for people’s bad days and so forth [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]..hell, frey, you and i both know that the world is not exactly what our parents presented to us [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]…but my gut tells me that the tingle at the back of your head is still the best guidance for how to behave in novel situations…and i have tried, albeit unsuccesfully apparently, to make allowances for mm…but i get the feeling his mama would not exactly be applauding his ‘coping’ mechanisms either…in fact, i suspect talent and prodigality and looks aside, his parents expected the same behavior from him that ours did from us( we are all the same generation) i expect disregard for the rules from the young, and in fact tolerate it every day..but i am surprised by it from someone who obviously knows better…this is not a high school issue, this is simply a ‘wouldn’t the world be better if we could all play nicely’ issue…as i said, i think he is serious about his work, and it shows in the calibre of his portrayal of kai,and i respect and admire him for that…but i have made all the exceptions i am going to make for him already; he is a human being as we have all said…therefore he is not exempt from the precepts of civilized human interactions…in fact, no one is [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] and if my opinion on that constitutes michael bashing, then we will just have to agree to disagree…fx
I certainly didn’t get the impression he was being bashed during the report, at all. In fact, the responses to the report were far more critical of him than the report itself.
I agree with you 100%, FX, you call’em as you see ’em… [img]images/smiles/icon_cool.gif[/img]quote:
Originally posted by FX:
then we will just have to agree to disagree…fx
i don’t agree to that.
Bug, yer completely out of order. [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
I’m not interested in a factual report of exactly what happened in Halifax. I’m much more interested in the impressions of the writers (FX, BlackCloud and thefrey). Lots of people (including me) have written up their visits, I personally thought it very interesting to see the place through the eyes of three people. Especially people we’ve got to know on the SadBoard
There is no MM bashing whatsoever. You can give someone a nickname without clobbering them. The fact is, McGarbo was very controversial during their visit. In this respect (and I hate to say it) he was probably the most interesting of the characters (certainly from a reading standpoint) and therefore demanded much more attention.
If it had been me at Hali, I’d probably have concentrated much more on MM. He is the most popular character in LEXX and in real life, it seems he’s the weirdest.
We don’t blindly pay lip-service to lead characters of TV shows. We’re much more likely to make fun. SadGeezers aren’t normally in awe of characters (unless they have unusually large physical attributes) and I personally think that the girls didn’t go far enough. Compare Brian and Michael – Brian is normal and Michael is at worst, mentally deranged and at best a socially inept twerp.
Brian Downey is a truly wonderful bloke, but he’s boring when it comes to milk-fed boys, being frightened of female fans and purporting to be the one who argued most strongly for the ending of LEXX with season 4.
Bug, your comments were as interesting as always, but you are way off the mark.
Just to confirm a couple of things…
The moderators were not paid for their report. [i]This SadGeezer is bloody greatful that they did.
sadgeezer.com does not have any employees. (It’s all done on a PC in my back bedroom) I rely heavily on ‘friends’ of the site and other fans of cult TV sci fi. All contributions to the site are considered and only the best are uploaded.
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Originally posted by SadGeezer:
Just to confirm a couple of things…The moderators were not paid for their report. [i]This SadGeezer is bloody greatful that they did.
[b]What do you mean not paid???? Oh you mean in money! Well no, but we are paid in other ways, we get to hang at a really cool board [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img] , we got to go to Halifax with an intro [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] , oh, and we get to have the label Minion slapped on us! [img]images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img] What more could a person ask for?? [/b]
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Originally posted by SadGeezer:
Bug, yer completely out of order. [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]I’m not interested in a factual report of exactly what happened in Halifax. I’m much more interested in the impressions of the writers (FX, BlackCloud and thefrey). Lots of people (including me) have written up their visits, I personally thought it very interesting to see the place through the eyes of three people. Especially people we’ve got to know on the SadBoard
There is no MM bashing whatsoever. You can give someone a nickname without clobbering them. The fact is, McGarbo was very controversial during their visit. In this respect (and I hate to say it) he was probably the most interesting of the characters (certainly from a reading standpoint) and therefore demanded much more attention.
If it had been me at Hali, I’d probably have concentrated much more on MM. He is the most popular character in LEXX and in real life, it seems he’s the weirdest.
We don’t blindly pay lip-service to lead characters of TV shows. We’re much more likely to make fun. SadGeezers aren’t normally in awe of characters (unless they have unusually large physical attributes) and I personally think that the girls didn’t go far enough. Compare Brian and Michael – Brian is normal and Michael is at worst, mentally deranged and at best a socially inept twerp.
Brian Downey is a truly wonderful bloke, but he’s boring when it comes to milk-fed boys, being frightened of female fans and purporting to be the one who argued most strongly for the ending of LEXX with season 4.
Bug, your comments were as interesting as always, but you are way off the mark.
dang, sorry sad & moderators. I was really just making a really dumb joke. You know when someone says ‘we should all just agree to disagree’ a really stubborn person would disagree to those terms. I actually havent read the report and only recently started receiving a channel that plays lexx (yes, i dont even get lexx and i read the forums off and on; shows you how much of a life i have!)
anyways, apologies! but since most activity is on the lexx forums, if i waited until i had something intelligent to say, i’d never be able to participate in your lovely board!
[ 03-11-2001: Message edited by: bugblatterbeast ]
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Originally posted by bugblatterbeast:
dang, sorry sad & moderators. I was really just making a really dumb joke. You know when someone says ‘we should all just agree to disagree’ a really stubborn person would disagree to those terms.
He’s not talking to you, bugblatterbeast, he’s talking to bugbomb. [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
–Aleck
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Originally posted by Aleck:
He’s not talking to you, bugblatterbeast, he’s talking to bugbomb. [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
–Aleck
dang, sorry again, i’m a gigantic idiot.
let’s see, that makes stupid post number 56, let me just jot that down…
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Originally posted by bugblatterbeast:
let’s see, that makes stupid post number 56, let me just jot that down…
Welcome to my world Bugblatter! Hummnn since I have been anointed Sadgeezer Royalty by another poster, does that make me the Queen of Stupid posts? If so, I welcome you to my court. [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
Hi, Bugblatterbeast.
As you can see, there are some very intelligent, interesting people on this board. I’m always fascinated and stimulated.
My welcome is not worth much, as I’m sort of a semi-pariah here (I mostly hang out at the scifi board, and participate in activities there that are viewed in some people’s minds as akin to matricide and animal buggery), but Sad and FX and the other moderators have been very nice (I DID like the moderators’ report on Halifax, btw). I think you will like it here. [img]images/smiles/icon_cool.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by dgrequeen:
My welcome is not worth much, as I’m sort of a semi-pariah here (I mostly hang out at the scifi board, and participate in activities there that are viewed in some people’s minds as akin to matricide and animal buggery), but Sad and FX and the other moderators have been very nice (I DID like the moderators’ report on Halifax, btw). I think you will like it here. [img]images/smiles/icon_cool.gif[/img]
She’s teasing a bit Bugblather, I post at SciFi too, I just like it here better.
Now Degree, You know I’ve always been fond of you, and like chatting with you in #Lexx [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] And I’m glad you liked the Moderators Report [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by dgrequeen:
My welcome is not worth much, as I’m sort of a semi-pariah here (I mostly hang out at the scifi board, and participate in activities there that are viewed in some people’s minds as akin to matricide and animal buggery). [img]images/smiles/icon_cool.gif[/img]
Boy, I’m glad *that* matter hasn’t been dragged up. I’m glad there’s no more beating of *that* dead horse.
Oh, wait.
You just did.
Glad you let that one rest, kiddo. [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]
–Aleck
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Originally posted by SadGeezer:
The moderators were not paid for their report. [i]This SadGeezer is bloody greatful that they did.
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what?! you promised me health insurance and retirement! and a 36 hour work week! blackie’s packing right now… FREY, you and Sad lied to me [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] (fx wanders off to the gulf to look for a shark to kick)
errmm, about those large physical attributes? did i miss something again? [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
I’m BAAACCCKKK!!!!
First off….
[i]apparently bugbomb only shows up here to pick fights; i have had it with her nonsense, let her spread her vitriol elsewhere[/i]
Oh….myexainthingy…sorry can’t remember the nick…yup…I have written some rudie stuff….on sites that were FOR that sort of thing…and some clone fic on PRIVATE mailing lists…actually, they were parodies against the APEC clone rules..LOL!! If you want to read the stuff…I’ll email them to anyone…as the list has been deleted. The point was gals…they did not clog up a public forum. And yup…my grump is aimed at the few who seem to regard clonefic as something important….I believe Vyxen is the latest casualty of this nonsense…at least I knew my characters were not REAL and were fun….boy…that should get a few blood pressures up….LOL!!
[i]and apparently, your joy in life is getting people angry isn’t it? at least that seems to be the only reason you show up here…[/i]
Now the irritating bits have been dealt with…
SadGeezer…oh dear…what a pile of hypocritical doodoos YOU are…
Do you know the difference between a character and RL person? Just going on your quote here…lemmie see….
‘…sadgeezers aren’t normally in awe of characters…’
I should hope not…or is this a gramatical/context error that Aleck has missed? Characters are fictional are they not? This is a REAL LIFE person you are talking about BTW.
‘…the girls didn’t go far enough. Compare Brian and Michael – Brian is normal, Michael is at worst, mentally deranged and at best a socially inept twerp..’
Hmmm…you got a degree in psychology and psychiatry then Sad? Is this the same ‘socially inept twerp’ that made you very welcome at the first Uncon? And has been gracious to more fans than he has ever upset? Is this the ‘socially inept twerp’ that Paul Donovan likes…? ( got that bit of info from Brian Downey last Tuesday evening. I can name drop as well….whoohoo!! )
I wonder if you would be so ‘honest’ if there were to be a season 5? But I guess as Michael McManus is no longer of use to you…or important, you can at last feel free to insult him in public? I’m sorry…you have crossed a line there with your self important cultish arrogance. But then again, maybe Paul Donovan sees you in the same light…as a means to an end…and maybe one to be discarded, now that lexx is ending…I don’t know. But I think you deserve to be regarded in that light, as I think you are a hussler and user of people in general, am I allowed to say that about you in public? I’m not in awe of SadGeezers either…even IF they have large physical attributes….
So there you go folks…the impartial web master of this site has made his opinions of a Lexx actor known….now that MM has fulfilled his purpose of course…interesting.
I won’t be this way again…*bowled over by the huge sigh of relief* …but I do know that there are those who have come here for the first time and who were amazed at your post Sad, some were shocked, some amused etc…and I wonder if I might point a few other interested parties this way as well. It’s a good thing Michael doesn’t care for the internet and is not too concerned about fan interaction, as I think if he had not developed a thick skin, he would be rather hurt…never mind.
At least we can see the real Sadgeezer behind this forum appearing…and frankly…there are those out there who are not in the least bit surprised either…
[i]yes, i am still surprised and disappointed by you, but so be it…don’t let the door smack ya where the good lord cracked ya, buggy[/i]
[ 17-11-2001: Message edited by: Bugbomb ]
okay, that’s e-gd-nuff; this thread is closed, and has basically been an exercise in futility anyway…who’d have thought buggy was a troll? [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img] people who have questions and differences of opinion are welcome here, but i am no longer going to play nice with people who only show up here to be ugly…thank you all for your patience
and let’s move on now…love fx[ 17-11-2001: Message edited by: FX ]
What is ‘Clone Fiction’?
Sweet explosions of joy and good riddance. [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]
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Sweet explosions of joy and good riddance. [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]
A-f*cking-men to that.
–Aleck
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Originally posted by :
What is ‘Clone Fiction’?
Christ, don’t open *that* can of worms. Just go to the scifi.com/lexx message board and wade through it for a few days.
–Aleck
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