okay, so i was really annoyed ….
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when i thought dawn might be a potential slayer…how could i have doubted joss and co and their consistent disdain for doing the expected/easy thing…i have to admit, i liked the little geek girl/fred look-alike as soon as she walked into buffy’s office, and i thought she was more like buffy of 15 than dawn is (except buffy was always brasher)…anyway, good episode but i want to see where the spike thing is going, and did buffy sound even more pompous than giles ever did? [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img] speaking of giles, i am still wondering if he is really giles; we still haven’t been given the details of how he escaped death, or if in fact he did…loved xander’s speech, and his acknowledgement of his secondary role over the years, and how hard it was to be not special or called…what did you guys think?
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Originally posted by FX:
when i thought dawn might be a potential slayer…how could i have doubted joss and co and their consistent disdain for doing the expected/easy thing…i have to admit, i liked the little geek girl/fred look-alike as soon as she walked into buffy’s office, and i thought she was more like buffy of 15 than dawn is (except buffy was always brasher)…anyway, good episode but i want to see where the spike thing is going, and did buffy sound even more pompous than giles ever did? [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img] speaking of giles, i am still wondering if he is really giles; we still haven’t been given the details of how he escaped death, or if in fact he did…loved xander’s speech, and his acknowledgement of his secondary role over the years, and how hard it was to be not special or called…what did you guys think?
I, too, was annoyed, as you might guess. I mean, need I repeat that [i]Dawn isn’t really human?[/i] I was cursing the set. “Damn them! They’re taking the easy way out because they know it’s the last season! They’re resorting to sloppy storytelling to wrap everything up!” Then, when the eyeless joes *didn’t* come for Dawn, I was pleasantly surprised. I also liked how the Scoobies’ reactions kind of mirrored fan reactions to the rumor (Willow: “I guess it makes sense, because remember that whole ‘they share the same blood’ thing?” Anya: “Yeah, I didn’t get that.”). It was also good to see what’s-his-name, the dog-faced demon, reappear. I’d missed that guy. He’s the kind of demon that you’d want to have over for pizza and a night of watching Food Network. Xander’s speech was great. I teared up. Nicely done.
As for Giles, suspicions as to his legitimacy will be raised in the next episode, airing February 4, according to the official mailing list update.
I, too, was annoyed, as you might guess. I mean, need I repeat that Dawn isn’t really human?
Ummm, yes she is, the only difference being is that she was made by magic, but she was made to be human, it was her human blood that needed to be spilt in order for the key to be used. And as the key is a one shot deal she is no longer that, all that remains is a 15 year old human girl.
Joss Whedon has done some wacky things in the past and this is no different, perhaps it doesn’t work to your way of thinking, but heh, he keeps mixing it all the time, leaving you thinking you got something sussed and then turning it on it’s head.
And FX can you please clear this up coz I can’t make any sense of what you have written, i.e is Dawn the new slayer or not, and is the mystery of Giles actually a mystery or just fan paranoia???
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And FX can you please clear this up coz I can’t make any sense of what you have written, i.e is Dawn the new slayer or not, and is the mystery of Giles actually a mystery or just fan paranoia???
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oh sweetie, i am so sorry, not just for my discombobulated writing, but for forgetting that you guys haven’t gotten this yet…
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sdawn is not the slayer…a charming little fred look-alike is…it’s quite lovely, how this fred look-alike is introduced, and how the revelation that she is the potential slayer occurs…after we have all been led down the garden path of ‘dawn IS the slayer’
once again, i will try to remember that you guys are not getting this yet, and warn you as to spoilage…love you adm [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img] fx
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Originally posted by Aleck:
It was also good to see what’s-his-name, the dog-faced demon, reappear. I’d missed that guy. He’s the kind of demon that you’d want to have over for pizza and a night of watching Food Network. Xander’s speech was great. I teared up. Nicely done.As for Giles, suspicions as to his legitimacy will be raised in the next episode, airing February 4, according to the official mailing list update.[/QB]
hi aleck (smooch)…yup, i missed the dogeared shar-pei demon, and i particularly liked his beetle-juice ‘let’s scare the potentials’ trick…and yes, i teared up for xander too( always the bridesmaid, never the bride?! [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img] ) or maybe it was the resonance of the idea that most of us are doomed to lives of mediocrity; never being noticed, never leaving a mark except to the one or two people who knew us…the thing about joss’s writing is that he seems to know about being one of the unremarkable masses, even though the show is about all of our fantasies of being a secret superhero…sorry, my depression seems to be flaring up, i’ll stop now [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
Thanks FX, I really wanted to know because the Dawn/Slayer thing was something that really needed clearing up.
We’re about 7 eps behind you in the UK and although it’s a spoiler, it’s kinda frustrating when you can’t join in on a discussion because of it, it was the same with Lexx, we had too wait about 4 months before we had a chance too discuss it and know what we UK’ers were talking about!!!
Of course by that time the whole thing had already been talked about and the Lexx series had ended in the US, so there wasn’t much point in going over it again, but at least it’s not as bad with Buffy.
Thanx again FX…
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Ummm, yes she is, the only difference being is that she was made by magic, but she was made to be human, it was her human blood that needed to be spilt in order for the key to be used. And as the key is a one shot deal she is no longer that, all that remains is a 15 year old human girl.
She’s human in form and in physicality, but she’s not human in origin. She was created to disguise her true nature as the key (which she still posesses, according to Evil Willow in last season’s finale), and she’s of supernatural origin, which should have disqualifed her from being designated a potential slayer. Slayers are marked as such from birth, and she was never born.
–Aleck
The issue over Dawn is still open too debate, you say her origins are not human and I agree, however, she is of Summer’s blood, that is why Buffy was able to close the gateway to the hell dimensions.
Slayer’s may be born with it and somehow the Watchers know of the coming of a slayer, but the watchers are not likely to know of Dawn as she was not given life until recently.
The srgument is left too Whedon’s imagination and what he chooses to do with the story, but it is conceivable for Dawn to be a slayer.
I say that as it’s unlikely that slayer’s blood ties are responsible for who they are, otherwise Joyce would’ve been a slayer, it’s seems likely that mystical forces are at work when a slayer is born, so in the same respect mystical forces were responsible for Dawn.
But whether it be by blood or magic, it’s still a possibility for Dawn to be a slayer.
The other indication is that there are only two other’s aside from Buffy that can hnadle a vamp in combat, Spike through his own vampire strength, and Xander, although he often comes off worse. Yet we’ve seen signs that Dawn possesses the strength to ward off vamps in combat, and she is only 15, but Buffy is training her, why would she do that if she did not think she could handle herself against a vamp.
It may well be to teach her to merely protect herself, but then why wasn’t the same training given to her best friend, Willow?.
Given Whedon’s penchant for throwing everyone off guard and misleading everyone, I wouldn’t completely rule out the Dawn slayer link just yet, and as we have seen there have been girls hunted by the first all over the world with the potential to be the next slayer.
The fact is, is that no one but Joss Whedon can know whether Dawn would become one, but there is a valid argument for and against it.
ADMIt’s open for debate, but it’s still (especially since the “Potential Slayer locator spell” — or whatever that was called –completely passed her over, which you’ll have to see the episode to really get) leaning towards “not an option” for me. I mean, she was created by these monks to be a mundane vessel for the key. They didn’t want attention drawn to her/it, so they could keep it out of the hand of Glory, and they put Dawn in the Summers household so that she’d be well-protected (plus, having a Slayer nearby kind of deflects attention from the rest of the family). If they’d created Dawn as a potential Slayer, she’d be easier to track down or attract attention.
Apologies if you haven’t seen these episodes, but in regards to the training, Dawn’s been excluded from the formal training that Buffy’s given the “boot camp” of Slayers-in-waiting. Dawn’s training earlier is, IMO, just Buffy’s attempt to help her sister take care of herself. Dawn is surely more likely to get training like this than Willow because Dawn is family, blood kin, supernatural origins or not (and Buffy wouldn’t have known if Dawn were a potential or not, anyway).
Finally, while I’m willing to admit that it’s still a possibility, this last episode pretty much resolves this issue. The “Potential Slayer locator spell” didn’t choose Dawn. The eyeless goons passed her by (and they seem to be able to pick a potential fairly well, for eyeless goons). And it would take a lot of exposition to explain just how Dawn would have been able to escape all of this detection and still be a potential Slayer, especially given the circumstances of her creation, which they really don’t have time to do, what with all the other crap going on. My money’s with the crux of the story hinging on Faith’s return in the final 5 episodes.
So, while it’s still open for debate, and it’s still a possibility, I think it’s pretty damned unlikely and that it’s not gonna happen.
–Aleck
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