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c&v from a post i made on the sci-fi board:
one thing i wonder about is, where is prince’s counterpart
from water ? seems like there’s a major player missing from
the story..there was no mention of such a person all thru
season 3 & i always thought that kinda odd.another – is xev really zev of b3k inside ? could she still
retain the life essence of the original zev after being
reduced to a bowl of goo? xev may be a true archetype, with
her own original soul..that leaves the question of zev, if
she’s found on this planet will she appear as eva or lisa
in appearance?brud couldn’t have been an archetype (prototype)
simply because he was born a few thousand years after stanly’
so – yep stan is still the man’ truly an original [img]/ubb/smile.gif[/img]i wonder if it’s possible that the escapees from fire and
water are able to possess people the way prince took over
the lexx – maybe the lexx’s crew are the only ones that
see them for who they really are..AND if kai was able to see his life essence after he was
killed and made into a divine assassin – is there also
a life essence for vlad running around somewhere ?
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Originally posted by siglum the passwordless:
[b]c&v from a post i made on the sci-fi board:one thing i wonder about is, where is prince’s counterpart
from water ? seems like there’s a major player missing from
the story..there was no mention of such a person all thru
season 3 & i always thought that kinda odd.*Squish: Do you mean Duke?, well that is a bit odd as Duke could reincaenate like Prince, but he couldn’t change his appearance, but I would of thought he would be in S4 at some point, having said that I don’t understand why Duke didn’t appear again in S3 after he was killed.
another – is xev really zev of b3k inside ? could she still
retain the life essence of the original zev after being
reduced to a bowl of goo? xev may be a true archetype, with
her own original soul..that leaves the question of zev, if
she’s found on this planet will she appear as eva or lisa
in appearance?*Squish:Well Zev is Xev, but seeing as she was killed then she should also have a double in the form of Eva (who is Lisa???), I’ve heard rumours that Eva might be appearing in S4, might I’ve also heard that she won’t.
brud couldn’t have been an archetype (prototype)
simply because he was born a few thousand years after stanly’
so – yep stan is still the man’ truly an original [img]http://www.sadgeezer.com/ubb/smile.gif[/img]*Squish:Yep, there can only be one Stan the man, he can get reincarnated as many times as possible, but original Stan will always be the best.
i wonder if it’s possible that the escapees from fire and
water are able to possess people the way prince took over
the lexx – maybe the lexx’s crew are the only ones that
see them for who they really are..*Squish:I was leaning towards Fire and Water solely populating Earth, but I’m beginning to think that the souls of Fire and Water may have possessed the bodies of humans, but how likely is it that they have exact doubles to possess like with Bunny and Priest.
AND if kai was able to see his life essence after he was
killed and made into a divine assassin – is there also
a life essence for vlad running around somewhere ?*Squish:That would have to be true if Kai had a living essence, but whether we will see Kai’s or Vlad’s living opposite is unknown, make a good plot twist though.
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Squishy
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Originally posted by siglum the passwordless:
[b]another – is xev really zev of b3k inside ? could she still retain the life essence of the original zev after being
reduced to a bowl of goo? xev may be a true archetype, with her own original soul..that leaves the question of zev, if she’s found on this planet will she appear as eva or lisa
in appearance?[/b]
[i]”Zev’s dead, baby. Zev’s dead.”[/i]
You mean if Zev’s “archetype” were to be found on Earth, would she look like the fat and ugly prisoner as seen in the first episode? (Before she was transformed into a beautiful love slave.)
aahhh! i should clarify..
by prince’s counterpart- a ‘prince’ of good
from the planet waterxev is not the original zev. xev is
the result of lyekka’s combining of zev’s
remains with those of the astronauts after
she had eaten both. i don’t see how anything
lyekka has eaten can retain a life ‘essence’
– so i assume creating xev created a whole new being including the ‘soul’. i wonder what
became of zev’s soul ?
btw – lisa was the actress that played the
pre-love slave zev& yes kai’s soul is stll around (season 3),
so i wonder about vlad’sinteresting no? [img]http://www.sadgeezer.com/ubb/smile.gif[/img]
I always assumed that Zev=Xev. Her soul stuck around in the ‘custard’ or somthing because Xev has Zev’s memories (Battle)
Stan was dead but his soul came back to his body. Kai is dead, why didn’t his soul come back to him? Or did it? How did he know that Stan’s would?
I think that Prince didn’t have a counterpart on Water because Water was perfect and didn’t need a prince.
I am Hypatia, Hypatia of B3K
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Originally posted by Hypatia of B3K:
[b]I always assumed that Zev=Xev. Her soul stuck around in the ‘custard’ or somthing because Xev has Zev’s memories (Battle)Stan was dead but his soul came back to his body. Kai is dead, why didn’t his soul come back to him? Or did it? How did he know that Stan’s would?
I think that Prince didn’t have a counterpart on Water because Water was perfect and didn’t need a prince.
I am Hypatia, Hypatia of B3K[/b]
Yep you’re right Hypatia, there was never any indication of a ‘good Prince’, Water didn’t need a ruler of any kind, as they were carefree and happy and treated each other with the same amount of respect.
While on Fire, Prince was ordained with the task of ensuring those people were made to suffer.
Squishy——————
Squishy
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Originally posted by Hypatia of B3K:
[b]Stan was dead but his soul came back to his body. Kai is dead, why didn’t his soul come back to him? Or did it? How did he know that Stan’s would?
I am Hypatia, Hypatia of B3K[/b]
When Kai told Xev he’d seen his life essence in Water, also said he didn’t think it would have any memory of his life as Kai. His soul had been reincarnating on Water ever since he died – 6,000 years ago. Maybe his soul didn’t come back to him because of such a long separation? Or maybe because he’s not organic any more? Even if his soul came back to him, his body would still be a decarbonized dead thing? Just blabbering off the top of my head here…
If Kai’s soul went to Earth, then there should be a live Kai walkin’ around, huh? Oooh.
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-Aurora-So do you think that they’ll end the series with Xev meeting a living Kai?
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Originally posted by Hypatia:
[b]So do you think that they’ll end the series with Xev meeting a living Kai?[/b]
Nah!
I’d sooner believe that Stan will do the nasty with Xev!
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Originally posted by Hypatia:
[b]So do you think that they’ll end the series with Xev meeting a living Kai?[/b]
I don’t believe it for a second. But a girl can dream, can’t she? [img]http://www.sadgeezer.com/ubb/smile.gif[/img]
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-Aurora-I think that if they can find a way to activate Kais brain fully he will be in love with Xev. I think the emotion isnt absent its just not displayable or totally comprehendable.
Its like a computer. Kai has all these experiences with Xev but no way to output it. So when/if he does come awake, full realization will hit him.
I dont want it to happen though. Kai is dead. And should stay that way. We’ve seen in S3 just how in-human both his body and mind are. He is just basically the shell of what he was. Like Darth Vader sans emotion.
Even worse he isnt carbon or protein anymore. So in another sense he isnt even a classifiable lifeform. Hes *that* alien now.
Id like to see Stan and Lyekka get together.
The scene where she tells Stan
“I saw into your dream and knew immediatly I liked you” Prolly misquoted but close.
Just was so sweet. And Stan cringes from her then recovers and reaches out carressing her face. To me that was Stans best moment in the series period. He really was Stan the Man for a moment there.
As for Xev Id like to see her find a planet like Orgasmos with just men. Her personality and genetic manipulation makes her incompatible for just 1 man imo. And the Cluster Lizard in her demands new scenary and experiences making it hard for her ever to just stay in one place.
790 and Lexx will hook up, becoming a perfect self sustaining and sentient hybrid.
Ideally though and realistically, Id like the series to end with Kai changing into something more human but still dead. Perhaps regain his emotions although if he did he’d prolly suicide. And all 5 (Yes Lexx too!)head off into the sunset so to speak.
I really dont want to see them go their seperate ways at the end.
Just my opinion [img]http://www.sadgeezer.com/ubb/smile.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by LexxLurker:
[b]I dont want it to happen though. Kai is dead. And should stay that way. We’ve seen in S3 just how in-human both his body and mind are. He is just basically the shell of what he was. Like Darth Vader sans emotion.Even worse he isnt carbon or protein anymore. So in another sense he isnt even a classifiable lifeform. Hes *that* alien now.
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At first I was all for Kai-alive, but I’ve come to appreciate his deadness. It’s a constant around which chaos whirls. The juxtaposition of silliness or raunchyness or whatever and Kai’s deadpan literalism can be so *funny* sometimes! Something would be missing or lost maybe if Kai got all human.
In interviews MM has expressed the opinion that Kai should just drift off in to a black hole at the end and never be heard from again. I don’t know if I’d like that! Off the top of my head I can’t imagine a scenario where I’d like to see the crew go their separate ways. Even if Kai runs outa protoblood for good, I’d kinda like to keep him around as a paperweight, for sentimental reasons. [img]http://www.sadgeezer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img] In “Battle” I got sorta misty when Xev was saying goodbye to Kai and Stan. Waaaaah! They’re my favorite dysfunctional family.
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-Aurora-I’d like to see Xev create a sort of harem on Lexx and fly away to explore the universe. Kai (living or dead) could stay with her, Stan could find a nice planet like Porno or Water and stay (maybe with Lykyya’s ‘archytype’). 790 should find a nice computer or somthing.
Sorta Disneyish but a nice end, IMO.
The Beans really should let Xev get laid at some point, they’re being needlessly cruel.
The next question is; what will WE do without new Lexx?
[This message has been edited by Hypatia (edited August 29, 2001).]
Kai refferred to Brud as a “physical” archetype. As in human DNA only being able to produce a finite number of physical appearances. Not a “protoype” or an actual lifeform derivative of Stanley Tweedle.
Xev is as Slopmaster once Xplained to me:
Zev goo + Moss = 1 Xev
“Lisa” is the first name of the actress that played the “fat Zev”. I believe her name is Lisa Hines (probably mispelled that).
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“What fresh hell is this?”from the lexx billbored:
the four phases of zev/xev
Lisa Hines – pre loveslave
Eva Haberman – loveslave with blue hair
Xenia Seeberg – loveslave with red hair
Xenia Seeberg – loveslave with blond hairsee what the first initials spell ?
coincidence ? i think not !
there are cosmic forces at work here!
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Originally posted by Hypatia:
[b]The next question is; what will WE do without new Lexx?[This message has been edited by Hypatia (edited August 29, 2001).][/b]
I can’t face that question yet. Am hoping to get an answer right heeere.
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Originally posted by si gl um:
[b]from the lexx billbored:the four phases of zev/xev
Lisa Hines – pre loveslave
Eva Haberman – loveslave with blue hair
Xenia Seeberg – loveslave with red hair
Xenia Seeberg – loveslave with blond hairsee what the first initials spell ?
coincidence ? i think not !
there are cosmic forces at work here![/b]
Wierd! come to the Dark Zone. doo doo doo doo
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Originally posted by siglum the passwordless:
c&v from a post i made on the sci-fi board:one thing i wonder about is, where is prince’s counterpart
from water ? seems like there’s a major player missing from
the story..there was no mention of such a person all thru
season 3 & i always thought that kinda odd.
Something I’ve wondered, too. What if Water weren’t exactly the opposite of Fire? If Fire represented Hell, what if Water represented not Heaven, but some sort of Purgatory? I know, I know, there was the “Heaven and Hell” episode. But I wonder because Water was outwardly a “good” place, but the Water dwellers were a little strange themselves. The people of Gametown and Boomtown seemed locked into their routines, as pleasant as they were, just as much as the people of Fire. Why did Root in Boomtown seem to recognize living Kai, and greet him with a kiss, IIRC? Damn, now my head hurts again. [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
[img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
Something I’ve wondered, too. What if Water weren’t exactly the opposite of Fire? If Fire represented Hell, what if Water represented not Heaven, but some sort of Purgatory? I know, I know, there was the “Heaven and Hell” episode. But I wonder because Water was outwardly a “good” place, but the Water dwellers were a little strange themselves. The people of Gametown and Boomtown seemed locked into their routines, as pleasant as they were, just as much as the people of Fire. Why did Root in Boomtown seem to recognize living Kai, and greet him with a kiss, IIRC? Damn, now my head hurts again.
I wouldn’t say that Water was Heaven, but I don’t think you could call it Purgatory either.
Purgatory seems like a place where you would still suffer, like a place between Heaven and Hell, one where you would spend your time in eternity in a boring waiting room.
Water was too exciting to be considered boring, I think it would be more likened to Heaven, but then not everything was perfect.
It could be that Water was just good, but not Heaven, and that Fire was just Evil and was not Hell.
Squishy [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]quote:
Originally posted by Squishi:
I wouldn’t say that Water was Heaven, but I don’t think you could call it Purgatory either.
Purgatory seems like a place where you would still suffer, like a place between Heaven and Hell, one where you would spend your time in eternity in a boring waiting room.
Water was too exciting to be considered boring, I think it would be more likened to Heaven, but then not everything was perfect.
It could be that Water was just good, but not Heaven, and that Fire was just Evil and was not Hell.
Squishy [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]
It’s been a looong time since catechism, but I seem to remember that we were taught Purgatory was like Heaven with the exception that the souls could not “see the face of God”. Don’t ask, I stopped practicing the religion I was raised in as soon as I realized I would never be any good at it. [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
But it could explain why Prince had no counterpart on Water.
Now, how many Brunnen-G can dance on the head of a pin? [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
The whole deal with Zev being liquified and cloned always sorta bugged me. I mean, if she was actually cloned from her cellular matter she would look the same. And she wouldn’t have the same brain so she would have no memories. She wouldn’t be Zev (like Ellen Ripley/Specimen 8 in [i]Alien: Resurrection[/i]). But she doesn’t look like the original Zev, she has memories of her previous life, she’s even got an expiration date! [img]images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img] The plasma in [i]Terminal[/i] wouldn’t’ve just juiced her, anyway. Realistically she’d be vaporized. That whole death scene was poorly written as well as pseudoscientific. Of course the Beans sorta threw out science in the third season, so that sort of deviance in now acceptable.
A better opportunity to change actresses would’ve been [i]Woz[/i]. The episode was obviously written before the character was killed off, they could’ve just moved it back and have Eva become Xenia when Zev was retooled with the lusticon. With 790 operating the machine, she could’ve been transformed into anything! I mean, if I were a robot head, I’d trade Eva Habermann for Xenia Seeburg in a second. [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] We’re still short a Cluster Lizard scene, but that could be tacked onto any episode. [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
Zev doesn’t remember being on Water because the writers screwed up. [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]
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“Exterminate!” -Dalek warrior, [i]The Daleks[/i]: Episode 4-[i]The Ambush[/i]
“Feel the power of the dark Crystal!” -skekTek the Scientist, [i]The Dark Crystal[/i]
“I will love you forever!” -drone #790, [i]Lexx 1.1: I Worship His Shadow[/i]
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Originally posted by DalekTek790:
The whole deal with Zev being liquified and cloned always sorta bugged me. I mean, if she was actually cloned from her cellular matter she would look the same. And she wouldn’t have the same brain so she would have no memories. She wouldn’t be Zev (like Ellen Ripley/Specimen 8 in [i]Alien: Resurrection[/i]). But she doesn’t look like the original Zev, she has memories of her previous life, she’s even got an expiration date! [img]images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img] The plasma in [i]Terminal[/i] wouldn’t’ve just juiced her, anyway. Realistically she’d be vaporized. That whole death scene was poorly written as well as pseudoscientific. Of course the Beans sorta threw out science in the third season, so that sort of deviance in now acceptable.A better opportunity to change actresses would’ve been [i]Woz[/i]. The episode was obviously written before the character was killed off, they could’ve just moved it back and have Eva become Xenia when Zev was retooled with the lusticon. With 790 operating the machine, she could’ve been transformed into anything! I mean, if I were a robot head, I’d trade Eva Habermann for Xenia Seeburg in a second. [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] We’re still short a Cluster Lizard scene, but that could be tacked onto any episode. [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
Zev doesn’t remember being on Water because the writers screwed up. [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]
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“Exterminate!” -Dalek warrior, [i]The Daleks[/i]: Episode 4-[i]The Ambush[/i]
“Feel the power of the dark Crystal!” -skekTek the Scientist, [i]The Dark Crystal[/i]
“I will love you forever!” -drone #790, [i]Lexx 1.1: I Worship His Shadow[/i]
Yeah I agree with you Dalektek, I would have thought that in the sense of being a clone they would have A:Introduced an actress that looks like Eva, and is just as sexay!!! and B:She wouldn’t have carried memories if she was cloned. But then maybe it wasn’t cloning as we know it, I mean Lyekka wouldn’t be your average cloning equipment, so I guess it’s kinda flexible for that reason.
Woz would have been much more suitable, like you said they had the perfect opportunity to change Zev then, but I suppose they may not have even written that episode, so I guess that option didn’t exist when it came to changing actresses, ah, if only they changed Xenia back to Eva in Woz [img]images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img] as I would gladly trade Xenia for Eva.
Squishy [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]quote:
Originally posted by DalekTek790:
That whole death scene was poorly written as well as pseudoscientific. Of course the Beans sorta threw out science in the third season, so that sort of deviance in now acceptable.
When you have a show headed by someone who has a background in physics, and hard science is among the first things to go out the window (and the science in LEXX has *always* been shoddy), there’s no point in criticizing it because the scripts aren’t scientifically plausible. It’s been made clear by now that they don’t *care* about being scientifically accurate, and instead care more about telling entertaining stories.(Oh, and while you’re here, Mantrid never says “Bucky ball” in “Brizon.” When describing the trap he set for Brizon, he says that he found the bug he (referring to Brizon) installed in his machine.)
–Aleck
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Originally posted by DalekTek790:
With 790 operating the machine, she could’ve been transformed into anything! I mean, if I were a robot head, I’d trade Eva Habermann for Xenia Seeburg in a second. [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
No way! Xenia is hot! Red hot! Besides, Xenia is a better singer! [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by Flamegrape:
No way! Xenia is hot! Red hot! Besides, Xenia is a better singer! [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
Ah, so were back to the great Eva vs Xenia debate, eh?
Well for me it’s a split decision (even though I’d still go for Eva), Eva is far more beautiful than Xenia (face wise), but Xenia has the better body (let’s face it, bigger boobies is the main factor here!!!), unfortunately she cannot compare to Eva’s face…ever, even if she had plastic surgery.
I think it boils down to the fact that many have grown up with the series and Xenia (while the ones that remember Eva appreciate her glorious beauty) prefer her as they don’t know too much about Eva.
But then there’s the acting ability and singing, which gives Xenia the edge, but in the looks league…Eva whips Xenia hands down.
But then I’m European, and our tastes tend to be different to Americans, I think Xenia looks more American than German, but even in her native country Xenia doesn’t hold a candle to Eva.
Squishy[img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by Squishi:
I think it boils down to the fact that many have grown up with the series and Xenia (while the ones that remember Eva appreciate her glorious beauty) prefer her as they don’t know too much about Eva.
Nope. I’ve been into LEXX since IWHS, and *never* thought that Eva was that attractive. Even when I didn’t have anyone else to compare her to.
–Aleck
I don’t find either of them attractive. But I think Xenia Seeberg is a better actress than Eva Habermann, and easier to accept as the character. She also appears to be more attractive to characters and fans than her predecessor. Yes, I did see Xenia before Eva, but I don’t think I’m biased.
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“Exterminate!” -Dalek warrior, [i]The Daleks[/i]: Episode 4-[i]The Ambush[/i]
“Feel the power of the dark Crystal!” -skekTek the Scientist, [i]The Dark Crystal[/i]
“I will love you forever!” -drone #790, [i]Lexx 1.1: I Worship His Shadow[/i]
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Originally posted by Squishi:
…but in the looks league…Eva whips Xenia hands down.
But then I’m European, and our tastes tend to be different to Americans, I think Xenia looks more American than German, but even in her native country Xenia doesn’t hold a candle to Eva.
Squishy[img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
Which “American” look are you talking about? [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img] Anglo-american? African-american? Asian-american? Native-american? Latin-american? Irish-american? East Indian-american? Or what about German-american? Yeah, I think she looks German-american! [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
[i]”I want Xev! Xev, Xev, Xev, Xev, Xev, Xev, XEV!!!!!!” –790[/i]
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Originally posted by Flamegrape:
Which “American” look are you talking about? [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img] Anglo-american? African-american? Asian-american? Native-american? Latin-american? Irish-american? East Indian-american? Or what about German-american? Yeah, I think she looks German-american! [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
[i]”I want Xev! Xev, Xev, Xev, Xev, Xev, Xev, XEV!!!!!!” –790[/i]
Do you have any American-American’s over there?, hehe, how about canadian americans, or are they burnt at the stake!!!
That’s what I love about being English, if I came over there you would just call me English (or limey), not English American or anything.
BTW I heard a myth that ‘limey’ came from the fact that English sailors used limes to cure Scurvy…is that true???
Squishi like Limes.[img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by Squishi:
Do you have any American-American’s over there?, hehe, how about canadian americans, or are they burnt at the stake!!![i]null[/i][i]We’re all mutts here! Canadians are almost undetectable to most US citiziens, I think. [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img] I grew up so far north in Minnesota that I thought I was Canadian until I was 7. [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] Two of our 3 tv stations were Canadian (that was the olden days, kids – before cable). Winnipeg was the closest city. Did I have a point? Er. um… nope! Just lately it seem to me that Canadian productions (movies & tv) are popping up all over – and I like it! Oh, Canada…![/i]
That’s what I love about being English, if I came over there you would just call me English (or limey), not English American or anything. [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
[i]How about if I just call you Squishi?[/i]
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Originally posted by Aurora:
[i]How about if I just call you Squishi?[/i]
I think the T.V invasion is a precursor to a full scale invasion, they brainwash you with their programmes, then you all hail Canada, lead a revolt, and make Brian Downey president!!!
In the next 20 years you will all be Canadian Citizens, by the end of the 21st century Canada will have taken over the world, those Canadians, they sure are sly.
Squishi [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]quote:
Originally posted by Aleck:
Nope. I’ve been into LEXX since IWHS, and *never* thought that Eva was that attractive. Even when I didn’t have anyone else to compare her to.
–Aleck
I always thought Eva looked cross-eyed.
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Originally posted by Aurora:
I always thought Eva looked cross-eyed.
I was initially going to say that she always looked like she’d just been smacked in the face with a dead mackeral, but I think you summed it up quite nicely. [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
–Aleck
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Originally posted by Squishi:
I think the T.V invasion is a precursor to a full scale invasion, they brainwash you with their programmes, then you all hail Canada, lead a revolt, and make Brian Downey president!!!
In the next 20 years you will all be Canadian Citizens, by the end of the 21st century Canada will have taken over the world, those Canadians, they sure are sly.
Squishi [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
Yet they seem so nice. [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] I don’t know about President Brian – Stan didn’t do so well as king of newfoundland!
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Originally posted by Aleck:
I was initially going to say that she always looked like she’d just been smacked in the face with a dead mackeral, but I think you summed it up quite nicely. [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
–Aleck
Oh Aleck, I didn’t think Eva looked like she had just been smacked, but rather she had a shy and vulnerable look, which was what was required in the earilier stories for the girl just excaped from a box story line. [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
Theres no point in worrying about crappy science in Lexx, remember the ‘center of the universe’ plotline in S2? Theres no center, it’s all relative. But it didn’t really hurt the show.
I think Eva is a better actress, but she had more ‘dramatic’ material to work with in the movies. Looks wise, Eva is beautifull, Xenia is sexy.
I slightly prefer Eva.
Answering my own question, when Lexx is canceled I’ll go on collecting the episodes and hope it comes back. Hey, Star Trek did and Lexx is way better.
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Originally posted by Aleck:
I was initially going to say that she always looked like she’d just been smacked in the face with a dead mackeral, but I think you summed it up quite nicely. [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
–Aleck
And that dead mackeral just happened to look exactly like fish lips Xenia, It’s all down to personal preference, but I think Xenia is dog ugly, and was raised amongst a litter of Rottweiler’s.
But then people have strange tastes don’t they, like I think that Christina Aguilera is a pig monster, while girls like Jeri Ryan, Lexa Doig and Eva Habermann have the classic good looks, sorry but Xenia can’t touch any of them.
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Originally posted by Squishi:
And that dead mackeral just happened to look exactly like fish lips Xenia, It’s all down to personal preference, but I think Xenia is dog ugly, and was raised amongst a litter of Rottweiler’s.
But then people have strange tastes don’t they, like I think that Christina Aguilera is a pig monster, while girls like Jeri Ryan, Lexa Doig and Eva Habermann have the classic good looks, sorry but Xenia can’t touch any of them.
Squishy
Ow! So harsh! My, my! Oh, well more Xev for me! And I can never get my fill!
Eva’s “classic good looks” are exactly what turned me off to her.
Xenia’s lips! Her big beautiful eyes! Wowie-wow-wow! [img]images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img]
I’ve managed to turn on a small group of friends to Lexx recently. They all agreed (without my prompting) that Xev was boo-coo numbah one! [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by Flamegrape:
Ow! So harsh! My, my! Oh, well more Xev for me! And I can never get my fill!
Eva’s “classic good looks” are exactly what turned me off to her.
Xenia’s lips! Her big beautiful eyes! Wowie-wow-wow! [img]images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img]
I’ve managed to turn on a small group of friends to Lexx recently. They all agreed (without my prompting) that Xev was boo-coo numbah one! [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
The reason I first watched Lexx was because of Eva, I saw an advert for it and thought gotta watch that to check out the fit babe.
Maybe it’s me and I’m picky, but to get my attention the girlie has to be mega-beautiful, for instance some people find the women of the WWF attractive…I think they are hideous and they remind me of Xenia.
I’ve tried to find Xenia attractive but for the life of me I can’t find any redeeming features (apart from her body) about her.
I don’t know whether it’s true, but I get a feeling that American’s seem to have a different view on the looks of a women to what us Brits like (I could be wrong).
Having said that I find the topless girls on Page 3 in our national papers rather disturbing, so I guess it takes a lot to impress me…and I don’t know why, I ain’t no Brad Pitt, Tom Cruise maybe, but Brad Pitt…nah!!!
SquishyIn the movies, Eva is attractive in that cross eyed, balding, sixteen year old kind of way. However, by series 2 she matured a little bit and looked ok with the wig. I also like the way she runs. Xenia on the other hand is just incredibly attractive in every way – beautiful eyes, hair, sexy pouting lips, beautiful body, etc. And most importantly, the personality of her character is more to my liking than Zev.
You might be onto something on the question of American versus British tastes. Most Brits seemed to think Princess Diana looked like something other than a cold fish or that the Spice girls could sing – no wait, unfortunately enough Americans probably believed that too.
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Originally posted by Aurora:
Yet they seem so nice. [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] I don’t know about President Brian – Stan didn’t do so well as king of newfoundland!
replicants, canadians are all replicants…they look smell and taste like people from the united states but careful questioning always reveal that they are not! when in doubt, just say “quebec should secede”,and stand back, it’s like they took a mad dog pill [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] (fx, experienced canuck baiter and taste tester [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img] )
ps eva’s prettier, xenia’s sexier, and both have been surgerized [img]images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img]
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ps eva’s prettier, xenia’s sexier, and both have been surgerized [img]images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img]
[ 06-09-2001: Message edited by: FX ]
You think Eva too?
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Originally posted by :
In the movies, Eva is attractive in that cross eyed, balding, sixteen year old kind of way. However, by series 2 she matured a little bit and looked ok with the wig. I also like the way she runs. Xenia on the other hand is just incredibly attractive in every way – beautiful eyes, hair, sexy pouting lips, beautiful body, etc. And most importantly, the personality of her character is more to my liking than Zev.You might be onto something on the question of American versus British tastes. Most Brits seemed to think Princess Diana looked like something other than a cold fish or that the Spice girls could sing – no wait, unfortunately enough Americans probably believed that too.
Sorry mate it must you who’s cross eyed, and balding, where on earth did you get that idea from??? she was 21 at the time, I hardly think she would have a hair loss problem at that age.
As for the brits thinking the spice girls could sing…don’t make me laugh, as usual it was down to adolescent boys and girls that found the spice girls good.
And if you think that Princess Di looked like a cold fish, then you really do have a problem with your vision, Di was one of the most elegant and attractive women on the planet, and I’m not saying that because I’m English.
As for Xenia, well if ol fish lips does it for you then more’s the pity, she has got a great body, but bulging eyes and lips are just too repulsive, she looks chubby in the face as well…Eva is far more beautiful than her, as are a lot of female celebrity’s.
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Originally posted by Squishi:
Sorry mate it must you who’s cross eyed, and balding, where on earth did you get that idea from??? she was 21 at the time, I hardly think she would have a hair loss problem at that age.
Actually, it’s been fairly widely reported that she was losing vast clumps of hair during the first 4 movies due to the bleach and dye job she had. So the balding tag is appropriate, and age has nothing to do with it. As for being cross-eyed, I’d have to say that she does certainly look slightly cross-eyed. It’s not incredibly noticable, but it’s all part of that dazed look she has. Squish, just because you have a fondness for Eva, you don’t have to resort to personal insults when someone says something bad about her.
quote[quote]And if you think that Princess Di looked like a cold fish, then you really do have a problem with your vision, Di was one of the most elegant and attractive women on the planet, and I’m not saying that because I’m English.[/quote]
Oh, come on. He’s expressing an opinion, which is completely valid. I agree with him in that I thought (and always did) that Di was an exceptionally plain person unless you compared her to the other royals. Aesthetic beauty doesn’t often come from years of depleting the gene pool. You want beautiful and graceful royalty? Grace Kelly (Princess Grace of Monaco) beats Di hands down. Probably because the Prince of Monaco didn’t have to pick someone that was distantly related as his bride.
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As for Xenia, well if ol fish lips does it for you then more’s the pity, she has got a great body, but bulging eyes and lips are just too repulsive, she looks chubby in the face as well…Eva is far more beautiful than her, as are a lot of female celebrity’s.
Squishy
Now, see, Squish, if someone had come along and said anything like that about Eva, you’d be all over them in a heartbeat. Just because you have a different idea of what is “beautiful,” that doesn’t mean that you should go around insulting others for not agreeing with you, and taking their tack one step further. Nobody called Eva any insulting names, yet you have no qualms about calling Xenia things like “ol’ fish lips” etc. That is not only insulting to her (if she were to read it), but it insults the taste of people who prefer her to Eva. Especially when you say things like “maybe I’m picky, but to get my attention the girlie has to be mega-beautiful.” That’s essentially like saying “maybe you guys *like* dog-ugly girls, but I have standards above yours.” You like Eva. This is fine. But there’s no need to make sweeping generalizations (“Even in her native country, Xenia can’t hold a candle to Eva”) or insulting comments. You have an opinion, others may not share. Learn to live with it, and stop being so argumentative.
–Aleck
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Originally posted by Hypatia:
You think Eva too?
well, the breasties look a bit stiff, i will go review first zev shots, but yeah, think so…who cares, they are both very pretty girls and thanks to hugh hefner and his cohorts, no one knows what a real one looks like anymore…(did you see Escape From LA? with the valley of plastic surgery victims? love that movie [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] )
I have to say that the tenor of the Zev vs Xev debates is more than a little off putting. As a heterosexual female the issue of their looks is irrelevant to me, but I think they are both attractive, though in completely different ways. Zev is what I would call conventionally pretty with her highly regular features, Xev is what I would call exotic with her exaggerated ones. It’s all a question of individual taste and I don’t think any of you are going to change each other’s minds. Now when it comes to the issue of character the real change in the way she is portrayed occurs between the first series and the second, rather than when the actress changed! Zev in Mantrid and Terminal behaves just like Xev. Personally, I prefer the Xev behaviour to frst season Zev’s. This is probably in large part due to the fact that I saw her first, and I admit that when all else is equal in a comparison I will tend to go with the one I was exposed to first. But I do attempt to rationalize my preference beyond that, and come to the conclusion that Xev brought more warmth and humor to the part. Because this has, I feel, as much to do with the writing as the performance I choose to refer to the character’s names rather than the actresses. Maybe men don’t notice this, but I find it refreshing to find a female character on a science fiction comedy who is actually FUNNY! Kochanski was no substitute for Rimmer on Red Dwarf. The late, great Douglas Adams admitted that all Trillian had going for her was a lame joke of a name. Xev reminds me of a female Lister, and I like that. Zev as portrayed in the first season is more of a cross between the Doctor Who companion Leela and Barbarella which seems less interesting to me. But I have no complaints about Eva’s performance: I think she adequately played the role as it was written, and I really do like the first series. But I think that people just are not acknowledging the fact that there was a serious rethink between the first series and the second on the character of Zev (and Kai too for that matter, but that’s another issue [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] ).
Yep that’s fair comment, each to their own and so on, so I will say nothing more on the matter for fear of it turning into a flame war.
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The late, great Douglas Adams admitted that all Trillian had going for her was a lame joke of a name.
[img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] Ha-ha-ha! I had always wondered about that! Ha-ha-ha! [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by Squish:
Sorry mate it must you who’s cross eyed, and balding, where on earth did you get that idea from??? she was 21 at the time, I hardly think she would have a hair loss problem at that age.
As for the brits thinking the spice girls could sing…don’t make me laugh, as usual it was down to adolescent boys and girls that found the spice girls good. And if you think that Princess Di looked like a cold fish, then you really do have a problem with your vision, Di was one of the most elegant and attractive women on the planet, and I’m not saying that because I’m English.
As for Xenia, well if ol fish lips does it for you then more’s the pity, she has got a great body, but bulging eyes and lips are just too repulsive, she looks chubby in the face as well…Eva is far more beautiful than her, as are a lot of female celebrity’s.
Squishy
Sorry about the Spice girls reference, but it seemed to be along the lines of your earlier Chistina Aguilera example. Now then, let me get this straight. You can call Xenia “ol’ fish lips”, compare her to “hideous” looking WWF girls, make unsupported claims about lip jobs and plastic surgery (unless you talked to her doctor and actually know what you’re talking about), and blather on endlessly about your refined “European” (read British) standards in assessing beauty, but if I point out that Eva was geeky looking in the movies (she was 19 and looked all of 16 during the filming of IWHS) or that I found Princess Diana to be less than breathtaking, well that’s not ok. Then you retaliate by totally trashing Xenia yet again. Did I hit a nerve?
No, I’m not balding but I admit my vision isn’t perfect. However, I can see the obvious such as Eva’s noticible hair loss starting in Supernova due to the dyes she used. But it’s not really fair to criticize someone over hair loss (or, maybe even the size of lips and eyes?) so I apologize for that. I’m also sorry I don’t find her at all beautiful with or without all her hair, or that I found Diana to be ugly and emaciated (take away 150 pounds and 30 years from hideous Lady Thatcher and there’s actually a resemblance). But don’t pity me because I find Xenia beautiful. I’m entirely comfortable with that because she is beautiful. By the way, if any of these views bother you, please feel free to flame me – we already know what you think of Xenia.
No Jason I’m not going to flame you, this board has never really been about that, and I’m not going to start now.
There is only one area of Lexx that I’m really protective of…and that’s Eva, I do get a little annoyed if people diss her, especially when comparing her to Xenia.
You have your opinion and I have mine, and I’m just going to leave it at that.
Squishy
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