insect wars;light zone vs dark zone, II
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Cat wrote:
quote[quote] But I don’t think the insects ever travelled to the Dark Zone, or even knew about the fractal core, let alone created it (fractal cores being natural phenomonon). [/quote]
Are they? At any rate, even if they are, it doesn’t mean this one is.
Here’s an interesting point for you, though: In Super Nova, in the Memory Catacombs, we see the memory of Kraito being awarded the Medal of Ultimate Honor, for defeating the Insects at the Battle of Virian. The Brunnen-G presenter says, “All Brunnen-G, all human races, are forever in your debt.”
Since the Brunnen-G live in the Dark Zone, but believe that all human races (in both zones, apparently) are in Kraito’s debt for defeating the Insects, then the Insects must have posed some sort of threat to both universes.
quote[quote] In that case you simply switch the thing (the shield) off entirely. No need for secret doors and codes etc. [/quote]
I don’t think the shield could be easily switched off. Otherwise, the Brunnen-G on Brunnis II would have turned it off when they decided they all wanted to die. But we are told the shield is destroyed by the Divine Order.
quote[quote] I don’t think so, didn’t the Gigashadow use a similar (black sheet) attack on the Lexx (or am I imaging that?) [/quote]
‘Fraid you’re imagining it. The Giga Shadow never “fired” anything. It just used that extending appendage to harpoon the Lexx.
But I think the Insects must have possessed some sort of ranged weapon to pose any real threat to the two universes, and I think HDS’s ability to fire “blacksheets” directly out of his body was a manifestation of that weapon.
On a side note, here’s an interesting exchange from The End of the Universe:
Xev: Kai, how did your Brunnen-G ancestors defeat the Insects?
Kai: The Brunnen-G had fewer resources but much greater resourcefulness. The Insects were intelligent but methodical… and therefore, ultimately predictable. That was their weakness.
Valdron wrote:
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A couple of comments about Vlad. Anna Cameron’s cameo notwithstanding, Vlad is not the Time Prophet and the Time Prophet is not Vlad.
In her first appearance, Vlad says that she found, interrogated and killed the time prophet. End of story.
Like Cat said, Vlad could have been lying. Or that could have even been what Vlad was programmed to believe.
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As to the relationship between Vlad and
Kai. Vlad came first. Alex Busby mentioned that she was 8000 years old. Minna Aaltonen said that Vlad was much older than Kai, by thousands of years.
That would indeed indicate that, at the time those statements were made, the Anna Cameron factor was a coincidence. But the literary possibility remains open, and I think it’s an interesting one. The Beans can always change their minds about things as the series progresses, as I’m sure they have done many times in the past.
btw, who is Alex Busby again?
quote[quote] 790 is *definitely* the epitome of an unreliable narrator in Rated: LEXX. His views and perceptions are entirely biased and he makes no bones about that. Consider his characterization of Stanley Tweedle. [/quote]
His characterization of Tweedle is an opinion open to interpretation. His statements about the Divine Order and their attack on Brunnis 2 are either facts or lies, with little room for interpretation. And 790 would have no reason to lie about such historical events.
quote[quote] Second, I’m not sure there’s any evidence to suggest that the Ostral B visited Brunnis or Brunnis 2. [/quote]
We know that they are familiar with the Brunnen-G, and we know they visited the Dark Zone.
quote[quote] The pathway to the Dark Zone was described as path to a realm inaccessible to his shadow. A fallback position for the heretics, or an emergency escape hatch. [/quote]
In order for the Ostrol-B to know it was a realm innaccessible to His Shadow, they would have had, to some degree or other, to have explored it. Otherwise, how do they know the Fractal Core goes anywhere at all?
Technically speaking, it’s even possible that the people who lived on Brunnis that HDS killed, were Ostrol-B and not Brunnen-G! They could have set up a temporary colony to explore the planet. The Predecessors do not outright say the victims were Brunnen-G, they just say they lived on Brunnis.
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Vlad was specifically created as a Divine Executioner to destroy Divine Assassins.
This suggests that the Divine Order
was much older than even Vlad.
Yeah, but how much older is “much older?” 100 years ain’t long when you’re looking at millenia, but HDS might have been able to develope the assassin/executioner tech in that timeframe.
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However, Vlad’s maximum apparent age of 8,000 years is still within the time frame
of the visitor to the Time Prophet in Supernova, which with adjustments, works out to be approximately 9400 years.
I’m not happy taking the 8,000 year figure for granted, unless it was referenced on the show, or came directly from a Bean. Nor am I quite prepared to concede that Vlad is older than Kai. [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]