Insect Wars: Dark Zone or Light Universe?
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Valdron:
quote[quote] In Brigadoom, set at the time of Kai’s death, their songs reference living for 6000 years and 10,000 years. [/quote]
That’s right! Amazing. I listen to those songs all the time, yet I forgot about those lines:
“6000 years go by so fast…”
“10,000 years with her…”quote[quote] This leaves the problem of a 5000 year old recording on Brunnis. Either the two are incompatible, or we must assume that the person questioning the time prophet could not have been a Brunnen G. He’s 7,000 years off the date set in Brigadoom. In addition, the Brunnen G have been behind their shield, so its not like it was someone visiting the old homeland. [/quote]
Not necessarily. We don’t actually know how easy or hard it was to travel beyond the shield. If it is the same design used by the Ostral-B, passing the shield is a simple matter. It may have been a tradition for dying or dead Brunnen-G to return to Brunnis to have their memory stored in the memory catacombs. Remember, even though they had halted their aging process, they could still not completely cheat death. There were still diseases, accidents, or other circumstances which would occasionally bring them mortality. We know they turned inward and built a shield, but we don’t know at what point they stopped leaving Brunnis 2 altogether.
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In Supernova, the Divine Predecessors claim to possess the memories of archaic Brunnen G who walked the streets of Brunnis.
This would put the Divine Order itself at well over 12,000 years.
I actually don’t remember this bit, but let’s assume it’s true. HDS steals the memories of each human he kills. This is almost certainly an Insect trait. HDS is derived from an Insect essence which battled the Brunnen-G during the Insect Wars, which occured before the Brunnen-G moved to Brunnis 2. Ergo, it is entirely possible the Predecessors possess the memories of some of these ancient Brunnen-G, killed during the Wars.
quote[quote] But there were, according to the first season, only four Divine Shadows after the one that killed Kai, [/quote]
I don’t remember this ever being stated anywhere. Where is it from?
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As for the number of Divine Shadows, Only two Divine Shadows, by the way, mentioned
by rank – The 14th, Marty Simon, and the
16th who got fingered by the other brains in Eating Pattern. But this establishes their minimum number as 16. Neither of these are
the HDS who killed Kai. Which limits us to
17 and up, 15th, or 13th and down.
It sounds like, though we have a minimum number, we don’t have a maximum number at all. Ergo, there’s no way of telling how short the average lifespan of a Divine Shadow is.
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I am relying upon discussions recorded in Lexxplorations as to the age and periodicity of predecessors. You might want to check
that site. The assumed that DP 14 was the one that killed Kai. I have no basis to disprove this, because the voice of HDS
that killed Kai was not identified.
If Marty Simon is DP 14, then obviously Lexxplorations is wrong in thinking that DP 14 killed Kai… unless Marty Simon (and not Jeffery) was the original voice of His Shadow. Anybody?
quote[quote] All right. Nope, the Time Prophet could not be a renegade Brunnen G who left 3000 years before Kai. [/quote]
The Time Prophet can’t be Brunnen-G for one simple reason: She says Kai is “the last of his people to die.” Since the Time Prophet is killed after Kai, she cannot be Brunnen-G herself, as that would make HER the last of Kai’s people to die.
quote[quote] The Master of Ceremonies in Brigadoom also states that Kai was the first person to go beyond the shield. That seems to kill the Time Prophet theory. It also means that no other Immortal Brunnen G would have left Brunnis 2 to be killed by an HDS prior to the attack on Brunnis. [/quote]
It seems clear that, by Kai’s time, Brunnen-G pretty much stayed at home… but I don’t recall anything specific about Kai being the first to go beyond the shield ever since the shield was put up. Can you be sure that they NEVER traveled beyond the shield once it was installed?