Insect Wars: Dark Zone or Light Universe?
Valdron wrote:
quote[quote] Kai notes that the archaic Brunnen G had not mastered the secrets of life. [/quote]
His actual statement is considerably more contradictory than that. [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
Kai:
“I was not aware that the Brunnen-G unlocked the secrets of life.”Master of Ceremonies:
“They unlocked the secret of never-ending life.”DalekTek wrote:
quote[quote] But the Brunnen-G thing is still possible. They wouldn’t have to have left Brunnis-2 and been killed previously. All I’m saying is that it’s possible that some of the Brunnen-G His Divine Shadow killed at Brunnis-2 may have been old enough to have lived on Brunnis-1, and that could be where the memories come from. Kai says he has the memories of others His Shadow killed, so it’s reasoable to say the Divine Shadows had those memories. And I assume they were collected at the assault on Brunnis-2. [/quote]
The Time Prophet seems to make a big deal out of Kai’s life being personally taken by His Shadow himself, in connection with his memory being stolen. The impression I’ve always gotten, is that His Shadow only steals the memories of those he personally kills, in the same manner as we saw in IWHS. I did not get the impression that His Shadow stole the memories of every man, woman, and child killed when the Foreshadow destroyed Brunnis 2, from hundreds (or even thousands) of miles away up in space.
In Super Nova, the DPs’ exact words are:
“We possess the memories of the many thousands we killed, including some who lived on Brunnis.”This leaves 3 possibilities:
1. Some very old Brunnen-G on Brunnis 2 HAVE traveled beyond the shield, and were killed by HDS.
2. HDS stole the memories of everyone on Brunnis 2 when he destroyed the planet.
3. The memories are actually a residual of memories stolen from Brunnen-G killed by an Insect in the Insect Wars.Which option seems the most likely?
The DPs seem pretty firm on the idea that the memories are from those they killed (and not from those killed by Insects before they existed), so I think that tends to rule out #3.
The DPs killed “many thousands,” as opposed to millions or billions. This tends to rule out people indirectly killed by HDS. Otherwise, the number would probably be much, much higher, considering the Divine Order is at least several thousand years old. So, I think that tends to rule out #2.
To throw another wrench in this, however, Kai makes an unusual statement in The Game. Possibly a show mistake:
“I have the memories of the many great men I killed.”
Huh? The memories of men HE killed? Not His Shadow? This seems to go against everything we’ve heard in the show before. Kai got his memory back by killing a Divine Predecessor, and also got the memories of all those that DP killed. Before that point, Kai was a “mindless assassin.”
On the other hand, let me play devil’s advocate with myself: Perhaps stealing memories is related to protoblood. Perhaps stealing memories IS another duty carried out by Divine Assassins. After all, Divine Predecessors were killed by Gigerotta, Xev, Stanley, and Yottskry, but they didn’t get any of those DPs’ memories. And Kai clearly does have memories of carrying out assassinations for His Shadow. Could he also carry the memories of the victims themselves? He seems to think so.
In IWHS, when HDS confronts Kai at the end, he says:
“You have no memory of your life. The protoblood only allows you to do as I instruct!”Perhaps that is key: That the Divine Assassin does not get the memory of their OWN life back, but that the Assassin can and does routinely steal the memories of his victims for His Shadow.
Of course, if HDS also gets the memories of all those killed by Divine Assassins, you’d think that number would also run into the millions, billions, or even trillions, since on one single mission, Kai kills 2,808… and there are many other Divine Assassins besides Kai.
Back to the notion of the Foreshadow stealing the memories of everyone on Brunnis 2 as it destroyed the planet. If this was so, you’d also think His Shadow would possess the memories of everyone killed when the Reform Planets were destroyed:
685,304,000,000“Many thousands” would be one heck of an understatement, eh?
Perhaps he didn’t, because he wasn’t on a ship present at the destruction? It matters not. Divine Assassins could have been present on the ships to collect memories.
No, I think at most, His Shadow can only steal the memories of those directly killed by himself, or by his Divine Assassins.
Thoughts?
btw, HDS in The Game did sound similar (to me, anyway) to the original His Shadow. This HDS was voiced by the ubiquitous John Dunsworth. Could John Dunsworth have been the original HDS?