Insect Wars: Dark Zone or Light Universe?
I’ll have to go and get the quote from Rated: Lexx, it’s in the section dealing with Kai and his death.
In terms of the founding of the Divine Order and the settlement of Brunnis 2, the only common point of reference is the Insect wars.
After the Insect Wars the last insect buried itself, waited, and after a period of time took a human host and went on to found the Divine Order. After the Insect Wars, the Brunnen G sun continued to deteriorate, after a period of time they went to the light Universe, found everyone had forgotten them, man was warring with himself, settled on Brunnis 2 and built their shield.
There’s no way, in the context of the internal evidence to say one took place before the other. Thus, we cannot prove definitively based on the histories in Mantrid and Brigadoom that the Divine Order or Brunnis 2 was established first. Both took place a substantial period after the Insect Wars.
The only way out is by attempting to interpret external evidence. At this point, Sgt. Draino, no offense, but your logic becomes circular: The Divine Order is younger because it devoured travelers from Brunnis 2, the travellers must be from Brunnis 2 because they were devoured by the Divine order, which was younger. You’ve
based your argument on a series of prepositions which are rooted in each other, going round and round. It’s an easy trap to fall into.
By contrast, my argument is that the chain of inferences from the statements made in Brigadoom seem to support the notion that there was no traffic or communication after the shield went up. It’s not conclusive, but the evidence as I see it tends to go that way, and within Brigadoom’s text, there’s nothing going the other way.
This leads us to the Supernova puzzle, and the assertion of the Predecessors that they have the memories of ‘those who lived on Brunnis.’
This statement betrays a potential inconsistency with the inferences drawn from Brigadoom.
What are the options:
1) The memories are post Brunnis 2
2) The memories are pre Brunnis 2
Under option one, we have to reject the inferences made in Brigadoom, or at least set them aside. This supports, but does not conclusively establish that the Divine Order was established after Brunnis 2 was founded.
The Divine Order might well be older than Brunnis 2.
Under option two, we do not disturb the inferences made in Brigadoom. But this requires assessing that the Divine Order
pre-existed Brunnis 2.
I prefer the second option, as being the better means to fit everything together with the least violence or contradiction.
I don’t see the memory template as determinative of the issue one way or the other. The Time Prophet herself is not Brunnen G, not located on Brunnis or Brunnis 2, and was probably not particular to the Brunnen G culture. Other cultures or travellers consulted the time prophet. We know both the Divine Shadow and Vlad did so.
The Divine Shadow may have been accessing Kai’s memories. But Vlad was on her own.
We cannot infer, simply from the visit of the prospector to the Time Prophet that he was Brunnen G. The prospector himself never
states that he was Brunnen G.
The best evidence is that his memory record is in the Burst of Life place. Unfortunately, we are clearly shown in Supernova that it has been made by Poetman as a trap for the unwary. In my view, it is not conclusive. At best, its an inference, and as such it must be considered in light of other inferences. In my view, the inference ins inconsistent with verified facts and other inferences. Ergo I don’t think he’s Brunnen G.
Your argument is a merry go round, and mine, it seems is a house of cards. One more and we’ll have a theme park.
The Rated: Lexx statement might well be conclusive. Unfortunately, it doesn’t seem to go far enough. But that’s why I’m going to look it up and get the exact quote.
As a final note, Sgt. Draino, you are arguing that the Divine Order would have expanded exponentially upon founding. I’m not sure if that applies. On Earth, for instance, Islam expanded exponentially. Christianity had to slog for 1800 years to get where it is today. Historically, some Empires grew incredibly slowly, such as China, which took a couple of millenia. Russia emerged over a 700 or 800 year period.
The US reached its present borders in little more than a century. Alexanders empire was a single short lifetime. That’s just on one planet. The Light Universe is an incredibly big place. It’s an interesting argument you’ve made, but profoundly unprovable.
It’s not a perfect hypothesis as I’ve said.
Rated: Lexx