Cycle of Time…is it coming true???
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I’ve just read a post by someone on the Lexx ng, it follows…
I’ve just read an article in on the TV zone web site which has confirmed a
few things for me.1) This IS the last season of Lexx (as confirmed by Micheal M)
2) Micheal said that once the sereis is completed people will probably watch
it back to front. (This seems to indicate that the cycle of time will come
full circle and Lexx will end with the insect wars, or Kai’s death as in
IWHS).I think myself and another on this board theorized this, and it look’s like that’s the way it’s going, so the cycle of time does appear to have begun again.
I thought this might be the way, because of the interest throughtout the series in the time prophet, and that it makes good for the whole season.
So in effect Mr D is doing a George Lucas and the S4 is kind of a prequel to IWHS, which I think is a perfect way to end Lexx.
Squishy [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_cool.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img]quote:
Originally posted by Squishi:
2) Micheal said that once the sereis is completed people will probably watch
it back to front. (This seems to indicate that the cycle of time will come
full circle and Lexx will end with the insect wars, or Kai’s death as in
IWHS).
The phrase “back to front” only means that people will want to watch the series from the first episode to the last, continuously. It doesn’t mean that the series loops back on itself. It just means that there is an overall story arc that will come to a resolution at the end of Season 4.
–Aleck
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Originally posted by Aleck:
The phrase “back to front” only means that people will want to watch the series from the first episode to the last, continuously. It doesn’t mean that the series loops back on itself. It just means that there is an overall story arc that will come to a resolution at the end of Season 4.
–Aleck
Sorry mate, I don’t argue with many people on issues concerning Lexx (and this isn’t a flame), but Michael’s meaning could well mean that the whole story goes full circle.
For the most part, Lexx fan’s have seen the movies enough times to understand what happens, I don’t believe that the end of the season will have people wanting any special reason to watch it again (except for old times sake).
I think Michael (without giving too much away, as they never do) is suggesting that by watching the movies again, you will be essentially continuing from the end of S4.
I will say that it could be open to many explanations.
But without sounding like Dalektek, there is plenty of things to show that the cycle of time has played a big part in all 4 seasons of Lexx, the time prophet and the Brunnis Sun for instance.
I do believe that Michael was adding the growing feeling that a cycle of time would be the main push of Lexx, I just think given the chance he would offer a little teaser about the end, and this might be it.
We (rather you) still have a long way to go before the season ends, so don’t dismiss the theory until a clear indication of it not working becomes present.
This is my (and other’s belief), we don’t take it that seriously, but we do believe that Paul D is looping the story, as I can’t think of a more inventive and cunning way to end the series, if it were that story, then I believe that is would be more compelling than just the end of Lexx, or Kai dying, or something dramatic like that.
This type of storyline adds more legend to the story, as you will return to the movies thinking that the whole thing now makes perfect sense.
So please don’t dismiss it, I am ready to admit if it is wrong, but then you could be wrong, eventually we will find out who’s theories were justified.
Squishy[img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by Squishi:
Sorry mate, I don’t argue with many people on issues concerning Lexx (and this isn’t a flame), but Michael’s meaning could well mean that the whole story goes full circle.
The thing is, it could possibly mean *anything*. All it tells us is that the season finale is going to make fans want to watch the series again from beginning to end.
quote[quote]For the most part, Lexx fan’s have seen the movies enough times to understand what happens, I don’t believe that the end of the season will have people wanting any special reason to watch it again (except for old times sake).[/quote]
That’s not neccessarily so. Like any series that is plotted according to an overriding story arc, there’s going to be any number of subtle details that won’t seem to be of any relevance until the finale airs. Unlike an average sitcom (or, for that matter, Star Trek), which is just a collection of random episodes that don’t neccessarily have to occur in a certain order, shows that adhere to a story arc develop from the first episode to the last, and can be re-visited like one would re-visit a book (whereas most series can only be looked at again as one would re-read a collection of short stories). I’m not saying that the cycle of time isn’t going to happen (though I don’t believe it’s coming back around, for reasons detailed below), just that using Michael’s comment as a basis for this theory is reading *waaaay* too much into it.
quote[quote]But without sounding like Dalektek, there is plenty of things to show that the cycle of time has played a big part in all 4 seasons of Lexx, the time prophet and the Brunnis Sun for instance.[/quote]
Outside of the first season, though, the cycle has only been referred to in a meaningful way twice: once when the Time Prophet’s comments are re-stated in “Brigadoom” (which appear to be mostly just stating how it is that she knows what she knows), and once in “End of the Universe” when 790 states that the next cycle will occur in 14 billion years. One could argue that something that occurred in the previous 2 seasons could have speeded up the cycle of time, but take into consideration the fact that any action that would have speeded up the cycle has already happened countless times in previous cycles, so all cycles are of the same duration. Also, even if they had come around to the beginning of the next cycle, who is to say that the beginning will be anywhere close to the time period in which the first film starts? By my counting, that would be only just over 6000 years. So, to say that the series’ events would loop back around to the beginning would eliminate the eons that preceded IWHS.
So that is why I don’t think that the series is going to loop back around to the first films. The cycle just isn’t that short.Now, I can see it *possibly* circling around to the *beginning* of the next cycle, but only if you can get rid of the 14 billion year time lag, and that’s going to be a tough one to get around.
I don’t want to sound like I’m dismissing this out-and-out, but I am skeptical to say the least.
–Aleck
Aleck, just wanted to let you know that my theory had the beginning of time starting again during the stasis sleep before arriving at Fire and Water, the other thing is that time may have passed very quickly (though 14 billion years is a bit extreme) as Prince (I think) said that they saw Lexx as a comet for a very long time(not sure how long). It could be that after Mantrid destroyed the light universe, time had altered while the Lexx travelled through the rift created by the collapse.
Anyway like you say it is speculation, but then I think we would all like to think we have the answer to the story, I still go with the cycle of time, but’s it’s my opinion and could be wrong.
Still, even if wrong, it’s not as mad as some I’ve heard!!!
We are left with an open explanation to MM’s words, it could be nothing at all, or equally there may be something in it, only he will know the answer.
SquishyOh one other thing, when I said examples of the time prophet’s word’s, what I meant was the clear indication of the circles of time, which happened twice in ‘Supernova’, when stan saw the prophet’s face on the cd, forgot where he had to go and came back, she knew Stan would forget, and the Brunnis sun and star telling Kai they have done this many times.
I’m sure there are many more examples in the series, but I can’t remember anymore than the two I mentioned.
Squishy [img]images/smiles/icon_cool.gif[/img]Like we need the end of the show (Hypatia replies between sobs) to get us to watch the movies again.
When did the board go back up?
No more new Lexx? *sniffles uncontrollably* What are Dalek and Squishy and Aleck and everyone going to write insanely long discussions/arguments/theories about? What am I going to read for entertainment without aforementioned insanely long posts?*more sniffling*
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Originally posted by Catalina:
No more new Lexx? *sniffles uncontrollably* What are Dalek and Squishy and Aleck and everyone going to write insanely long discussions/arguments/theories about? What am I going to read for entertainment without aforementioned insanely long posts?*more sniffling*
Well I think Dalek and Aleck will write a book together on the history of Lexx, the insect wars and a good cook book, with a nifty recipe for dead thing pie.
They will be overnight sensations and record a duet together, become multi- millionaires and share the presidency…or they may never talk again!!!
Me, well I’ll be running a small antiques shop selling trinkets from the Lexx series and telling everyone I once spoke to the Presidents of the United States on a BB board, of course no one will believe me and I’ll get locked up in a funny farm!!!
Squishy [img]images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_mad.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]quote:
Originally posted by Squishi:
Well I think Dalek and Aleck will write a book together on the history of Lexx, the insect wars and a good cook book, with a nifty recipe for dead thing pie.
They will be overnight sensations and record a duet together, become multi- millionaires and share the presidency…or they may never talk again!!!
Oh yeah, like *that’s* likely. Never mind that placing me and DT in a room together is like mixing matter and anti-matter. Never mind that if we *did* attempt to collaborate on a book that only one of us would survive the collaboration (word on the street is that DT looks like Turlough from Dr. Who. I think I can take him). You’re overlooking one very pertinent point:
You think that I want to limit myself to the *Presidency*? And you think that I’d *share* it? With ***DT***???? Are you MAD? I’m going for supreme ruler of this planet, and I will share it with no puny human! You foolish mortals will bow down before the awesome power of Aleck!!!
Oh, and LEXX will live forever in re-runs on the cult TV network I want to start. My plans for TV networks are my first stepping stones to world domination. Leeching the idea of the Sci Fi Channel, I want to start the Horror Network (I mean, there’s no home for horror, and it’s got at least as much of an audience as Sci Fi), and the Cult TV Network (Twin Peaks, The Prisoner, The Avengers, LEXX, assorted films, etc.). Oh, I’ve got plans for the post-LEXX era.quote:
Me, well I’ll be running a small antiques shop selling trinkets from the Lexx series and telling everyone I once spoke to the Presidents of the United States on a BB board, of course no one will believe me and I’ll get locked up in a funny farm!!!
Squishy [img]images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_mad.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
Oh, the lucky ones will end up in asylums. They’ll escape the cleansing. Those outside the protection of the institution walls will fall prey to my evil schemes.
–Aleck
Kali posted an article on the SciFi.com bb about an interveiw with Paul D. in Cult Times where he said that the end of the series will lead us back to the begining of the series or something. Sounds like he may using the cycle of time after all.
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Originally posted by X:
Kali posted an article on the SciFi.com bb about an interveiw with Paul D. in Cult Times where he said that the end of the series will lead us back to the begining of the series or something. Sounds like he may using the cycle of time after all.
Sorry to behave like a child but…ner, ner, ner,ner (whilst holding open hands besides head and wiggling fingers and poking tongue out)…told you so Aleck!!!
I’m really glad he is doing it this way (I know still yet to be proved), but I get the feeling that it would be the best ending to Lexx and quite a big finale, it’s not an original way to end, I’ve seen it done before, but it’s still very good way to do it.
SquishyOh yeah, like *that’s* likely. Never mind that placing me and DT in a room together is like mixing matter and anti-matter. Never mind that if we *did* attempt to collaborate on a book that only one of us would survive the collaboration (word on the street is that DT looks like Turlough from Dr. Who. I think I can take him). You’re overlooking one very pertinent point:
You think that I want to limit myself to the *Presidency*? And you think that I’d *share* it? With ***DT***???? Are you MAD? I’m going for supreme ruler of this planet, and I will share it with no puny human! You foolish mortals will bow down before the awesome power of Aleck!!!
Oh, and LEXX will live forever in re-runs on the cult TV network I want to start. My plans for TV networks are my first stepping stones to world domination. Leeching the idea of the Sci Fi Channel, I want to start the Horror Network (I mean, there’s no home for horror, and it’s got at least as much of an audience as Sci Fi), and the Cult TV Network (Twin Peaks, The Prisoner, The Avengers, LEXX, assorted films, etc.). Oh, I’ve got plans for the post-LEXX era.You sound as if you’d make one excellent leader Aleck, I like your ideals and would definitely follow you blindly as my leader,
feel free to massacre my family and friends and to nuke whoever you feel like nuking.
As for Dalektek, well if not President, then how about Russian leader, then you can take your conflicts into a global conflict, one arrogant sentence and I’m sure you’ll have no qualms about nuking Moscow!!!
And I thought a book might be a bit much for to colloborate on, how about a nice sonnet or poem, express your inner feelings and be at eternal peace with your soulmate (OK, now I’m just winding you up). [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
I’m sure that you will never be able to escape him though, you’ll probably meet up again on another bb somewhere, and the historic battles will begin again.
Squishyquote:
Originally posted by X:
Kali posted an article on the SciFi.com bb about an interveiw with Paul D. in Cult Times where he said that the end of the series will lead us back to the begining of the series or something. Sounds like he may using the cycle of time after all.
I have that issue and I don’t remember it saying that. I’ll have to read it again. In another thread here there was reference to MM’s saying (in same article) that after this season people will watch the series back to front. In the context of everything he said, I took that to mean that newcomers to Lexx will want to see it all. He also said people who dissed the show in other seasons will have to eat their words (or sumthin like that). I think it would be cool if this season led back to the beginning somehow – but I didn’t see any hints to that effect in the article. I might be willing to post some quotes from it, if anybody’s interested. Maybe that’s not appropriate?
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Originally posted by Squishi:
Aleck, just wanted to let you know that my theory had the beginning of time starting again during the stasis sleep before arriving at Fire and Water Squishy
Prince told Xev that “There are a 1000 people dying on a 1000 different planets” Gametown.
So life woulda had to evolve fairly quickly.
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Originally posted by Hypatia:
Prince told Xev that “There are a 1000 people dying on a 1000 different planets” Gametown.
So life woulda had to evolve fairly quickly.
I wouldn’t say life had to evolve quickly as there are two possible scenario’s, one is that the Lexx seemed to have taken thousands of years to arrive at Fire at Water, but from the Crew’s perspective it only took a day, somehow the Lexx may have been displaced in time (maybe due to it emerging from the last cycle).
The second one being that life just appeared in an instant, from out of nowhere, I say that because the people on Fire and Water claim that they just woke up and they were there.
Also if life appeared on a 1000 different planets then the programme must be saying that mankind did not spread throughout the universe from earth.
SquishyWell I managed to get a question in to Mr D and Mr G about the story going full circle, and they answered that they were big on full circle, cryptic as ever, but I took it as a yes.
So the theory might be sound after all, first time in that chat room, bit of an anti-climax I thought, with that idiot moderater asking his own questions.
Not too much was learnt from it either, I kept sending the message ‘will the time prophet appear’, and it never got asked…oh well.
If I am right, then I plan to buy the rights to Lexx, write episodes for it, and get you guy’s to be creative consultants, so that Lexx will continue…who’s with me???
SquishyI’m with you Squishy!
Yeah, I was there too and he only asked one of my questions. I really wanted to know if they would consider doing a prequel, and the mod never asked. [img]images/smiles/icon_sad.gif[/img]
Imagine a world with no Lexx, what an aww-ful world it would be.
Oh universe of cruelty! No more Lexx. (Hypatia breaks down sobbing)
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Originally posted by Hypatia:
I’m with you Squishy!Yeah, I was there too and he only asked one of my questions. I really wanted to know if they would consider doing a prequel, and the mod never asked. [img]images/smiles/icon_sad.gif[/img]
Imagine a world with no Lexx, what an aww-ful world it would be.
Oh universe of cruelty! No more Lexx. (Hypatia breaks down sobbing)
(fx slithers off comfortable rock in gutter and hands hypatia a hanky)…btw, i dont think our chat room is any worse than scifi.com’s…how many times did we lose the glimmer twins? um, my impression is that paul only speaks in quips and bon mots, and that nothing can be taken too seriously (fx slithers back up to rock to settle in with some harlan ellison and a glass of wine)…squish, i’ll subsidize your takeover of lexx but how are you going to get lex,paul and jeff to keep writing it? and who’s going to pay for the facelifts for kai and xev? [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] think i will drown my sorrows now…later kiddies
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Originally posted by FX:
(fx slithers off comfortable rock in gutter and hands hypatia a hanky)…btw, i dont think our chat room is any worse than scifi.com’s…how many times did we lose the glimmer twins? um, my impression is that paul only speaks in quips and bon mots, and that nothing can be taken too seriously (fx slithers back up to rock to settle in with some harlan ellison and a glass of wine)…squish, i’ll subsidize your takeover of lexx but how are you going to get lex,paul and jeff to keep writing it? and who’s going to pay for the facelifts for kai and xev? [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] think i will drown my sorrows now…later kiddies
Don’t worry I have it all planned out, first off you’ll remember we got Prince Charles some plastic surgery and now he’s a dead ringer for MM (just gotta get rid of the poncy accent!!!), anyway that’s Kai sorted.
Eva will return as Zev, after all you ladies send her death threats if she doesn’t agree (and you can say you’re doing it because she kissed MM), so that’s that sorted.
We’ll get Brian back after buying Newfoundland for him and actually making him king, also we’ll tell him that he’s up for an Oscar for playing Stan, we’ll then host them ourselves and dupe into believing he’s won one!!!
As for Lex and Paul, well they admitted they are wearing Eva’s underwear, so we send a PI out to get pics and then blackmail them.
Jeffrey, well we’ll get his cat and threaten to give a good rogering with some carrots if he doesn’t agree to our terms.
So there you have it, I think it will work if we all pull together, we can save Lexx.
Squishy soon to be head of Salter!!!
P.S Bowfinger pulled it off, why can’t we???[img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by Hypatia:
I’m with you Squishy!Yeah, I was there too and he only asked one of my questions. I really wanted to know if they would consider doing a prequel, and the mod never asked. [img]images/smiles/icon_sad.gif[/img]
Imagine a world with no Lexx, what an aww-ful world it would be.
Oh universe of cruelty! No more Lexx. (Hypatia breaks down sobbing)
I don’t want to imagine it, when the season comes to the UK, I’m going to video each ep and watch one a month, then it will last about two years, and it won’t be so bad as they will be no one here to talk too about it!!!
BTW at the end of each reply I saw ‘ga’, what the hell does that mean???
SquishyThank you FX, I feel a little better now.
Squishy; Don’t leave this board, we can still dredge up fond memories of Lexx, and maybe the Beans will leave a semi open ending.
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Originally posted by Hypatia:
Thank you FX, I feel a little better now.Squishy; Don’t leave this board, we can still dredge up fond memories of Lexx, and maybe the Beans will leave a semi open ending.
No I won’t leave the board, too many nice people I’d miss, besides you will all prove helpful when I get round to watching something, if Ii don’t understand something, then you all can make it a little clearer.
And of course with me posting about the ep I last watched, that should bring up a few fond memories and a few tears, no doubt.
I hope Mr D and the others can live with themselves, by ending Lexx they could be killing off an entire community…the bloody murderers!!!
Squishy
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Originally posted by Squishi:
…I hope Mr D and the others can live with themselves, by ending Lexx they could be killing off an entire community…the bloody murderers!!!
Squishy
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When you think about it, that’s just the sort of thing that would happen in a Lexx episode – killing off an entire community of Lexx fans. Bloody-minded perverse meanies.
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