Enough Is Enough
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Firstly, I would like to apologise to anyone who feels it is inappropriate for me to post this on the Lexx board, but I need to say this.
The attacks on the US have left me numb and shocked, I can’t put into words the sorrow and grief I feel for the people of this fine nation.
I know that now is not the time to be thinking of retaliation, but my anger has got the better of me at the moment.
I hope the G W Bush will finally do what needs to be done and eradicate this scum from the face of our planet for good, no quarter should be left in his pursuit of retribution against these animals.
It’s time the rest of the civilised world united as one force and hunted down these pathetic *******s.
Of course the loss of the Trade Centre and massive damage inflicted on the Pentagon is an atrocity, but the lives lost overshadow this.
I hope that politician’s don’t just walk around and give the usual spiel of what a horrifying act this is, and take firm and resolute action.
It’s time that more action on Air security was implemented, personally I would have an armed and trained marksmen on every plane, and that the cockpit could be sealed in an emergency, and the rest of the plane could be filled with a harmless but quick knockout gas.
Anyway, my heart goes out to my friends in America, and I’m sure the rest of the UK share the same sentiments as myself, rest assured that this country will do all it can to help the US in everyway possible, of this I’m sure.
Again, this maybe what you wouldn’t want to hear at this time, and I apologise to anyone if this proved wrong to do.
Squishy
Mark CoxNo Squish your post about this isn’t wrong. I for one believe soon as we find a target we are going to war with some one. Either way some one is going to pay for this inhuman act and big. [img]images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img]
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I certainly hope your are correct in your
assumption that the government will retaliate
swiftly to those whom have perpetrated this
heinous act. However I will not hold my breath waiting for them to place blame. They
will undoubtedly have to do an ‘investigation’ to determine which faction
had planned this event. If they are individuals and not a foreign government,
I’m afraid we’ll be at the mercy of the
court system once again, with the perpetrators only getting jail time, like the
first bombers. They didn’t pay with their
lives, even though they should have. They
should have considered this an act of war on
the US, which enables them to strike swiftly,
but I fear the international community will
probably not allow that. I only hope that
none of our loved ones were on any of the
planes that were lost. They have not released
names of any passengers as of yet. And I hope
that our friends in Canada are doing well,
and not affected by the catastrophe.
Maya X [img]images/smiles/icon_sad.gif[/img]No, it’s not inappropriate at all Squishy, and thank you.
I feel trite doing this, but I’d like to express sympathy for the survivors, and for the family’s of the murdered.
And I hope that the f***heads (to put it nicely) who planned this get what thay deserve.
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Originally posted by Squishi:
The attacks on the US have left me numb and shocked, I can’t put into words the sorrow and grief I feel for the people of this fine nation.
Mark Cox
thank you squishy, and all of you for showing solidarity…like thousands of other people today, i have spent the day crying and trying to reach my friends, in between sitting with my partner waiting to hear if his son was alive; today his son was in times square office instead of the world trade center; we finally heard at 1pm…i have reached some of my friends and have yet to hear from others…my father recently retired from his job in the pentagon,so my parents called me quickly…i am sorry to say my horror at the final moments of the people on those planes, and the sight of people jumping out of the trade center, and the police and firedepartment rescuers trapped by the collapse is matched only by my hatred and desire for revenge on the animals who did this…the pentagon is a military installation; obviously those airplanes and the world trade center were not…i am trying to temper my hatred with the support you here, and israel, are showing, but right now all i can think about is all these thousands of people never having a chance…let’s hope that cooler heads than mine prevail, and that all of these victims did not have time to suffer…fx
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Originally posted by FX:
…let’s hope that cooler heads than mine prevail, and that all of these victims did not have time to suffer…fx
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Elloquently and sensitively put sweety.
I’m still trying to get through on the phone to family and friends. Phones are busy to the US at the moment and have been all day.
they say fatalities alone are in the 5 digits.
people in USA:
There’s a blood shortage. call 1 800 933 2566 to donate blood or go to your local hospital or red cross center.quote:
Originally posted by brainplague:
they say fatalities alone are in the 5 digits.people in USA:
There’s a blood shortage. call 1 800 933 2566 to donate blood or go to your local hospital or red cross center.
I’ve been looking at other forums during the day, and the whole thing has got people scared of the whole thing escalating into WW3.
But oddly enough, Vladimir Putin of Russia was the first to call for a combined effort to eradicate this cancer we have in our world.
I thank god the superpowers have reacted in this way, I don’t think there is much choice left but to fight fire with fire, we have for so long been able to stomach past atrocities and acts of terrorism, but make no mistake, this goes beyond terrorism, it is a war being waged on the civilised world…and we must respond in kind.
I have seen some horrific things happen, but not since the last world war has some much devastation and death been inflicted.
I am sickened by the barbaric animals in Palestine and Libya who celebrate this evil, I have to say that these countries as a whole are not innocent and they certainly are not civilised, as you and I would not be celebrating openly at the deaths of other’s…even in a state of war.
That’s what seperate’s us from these so-called religious people, they are an insult to anybody’s god, and although I don’t want to see an entire country suffer I can’t think of any other way of catching these criminals.
Fact is, if firm action is not taken, then those countries will see it as an act of cowardice and perpertrate more acts of aggression that would be of a worse scale than we saw today.
We need to seek them out, and if anyone stands in our way, then they must be regarded as one of them and dealt with in the same manner.
I’m sorry i haven’t got a cool head in this situation, but it’s not blood-lust, I can simply see no peaceable alternative to the situation, they are mad fanatics that will not listen to reason or negotiate, so only violence will bring them to their knees…anyone who say’s different is welcome to try and talk to these animals, but on your life be it.
SquishyPlease, let’s not retaliate blind. This is so horrible, let’s not make it any worse.
But when we find them, no holds barred.
Preaching to the converted?
Such a horrible day
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Originally posted by Hypatia:
Please, let’s not retaliate blind. This is so horrible, let’s not make it any worse.But when we find them, no holds barred.
Preaching to the converted?
Such a horrible day
I fully agree with you Hypatia, the whole thing needs to be looked at closely and a course of action needs to be determined.
But the biggest problem faced with taking out these monsters is the people that protect them, simply the intelligence services and crack military outfits have been unable to strike back.
The time is not now for wanton acts of retaliation, that time will come, but we must act swiftly while the world speaks as one voice, as we have seen in the past, that the loud noise made is reduced to a whimper in the following weeks.
I am frightened of the consequences of taking action at any time, but what choice do we have, as the terrorists will continue to strike hard and deep into our countries, and next time we may be the ones that are not so lucky.
Several day’s of thought are required from the person in the street to the President of the United States, so that blind anger doesn’t play too much of a part in our response.
SquishyAs I am writing this tears of sorrow are streaming down my face, I can’t get the images of the people falling through the air off the World Trade Center out of my mind as well as the horror that must have been felt by the hi-jacked passengers. These were people who had their morning coffee, read the paper and went off to work. They were Moms, Dads, Sisters, Brothers, Lovers and Friends and they are lost…. I wanted to post something to express my feelings as an American ( and living a few hours in Pennsylvania from where one of the hi-jacked planes fell) I did’nt know quite what to say but all of you have said just about what was in my mind. As my mind rages against these animals who perpetrated these acts I find comfort in your words, your hearts and your compassion…There really IS something special about Lexxians..
There must be swift and sure retaliation as they have forced the Americans beyond their tolerance……
Michigan has a huge Arab-American population, but a lot of people stayed home today, and some of the things I heard-
For that alone, I hope there is a hell.
The support from other countries is greatly appreciated here. Thanx.
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Originally posted by Hypatia:
The support from other countries is greatly appreciated here. Thanx.
amen hypatia…the words from other people from other countries has been a great comfort today, and i am still trying to concentrate on the victims and their feelings, rather than my feelings about the people who did this…keep talking to us people, so we can forget about revenge and move on…love fx
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Originally posted by Hypatia:
Michigan has a huge Arab-American population, but a lot of people stayed home today, and some of the things I heard-For that alone, I hope there is a hell.
On another forum I post on, one person said that where she lives Arab-American cab drivers were being pulled from their cabs and assaulted…if anyone who reads this is thinking about taking their frustrations out on anyone else, please think calmly before you do anything. There’s been more than enough violence already and stuff like that will only make this situation worse.
We don’t know who did this. Maybe it was radical Chinese communists? Maybe Serbians? We just don’t have solid evidence yet. But I heard on the news that US intelligence agencies are “not clueless”, meaning that they probably have a good idea about who did this. [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by Catalina:
On another forum I post on, one person said that where she lives Arab-American cab drivers were being pulled from their cabs and assaulted…if anyone who reads this is thinking about taking their frustrations out on anyone else, please think calmly before you do anything. There’s been more than enough violence already and stuff like that will only make this situation worse.
I agree with you, for me the peak of anger has passed and I’m now thinking clearly as to what blind retribution could mean to the world.
It is bound too happen that even the most placid human being would show anger and hatred in the aftermath of this day, but the press have shown many arabs celebrating this as some sick personal pleasure.
After seeing that, I could understand a reaction from people who have cannot contain their anger, but we all need to look forward.
The American people are the strongest and bravest in the world, and I know they will not allow these cowards to subdue them, like the British, you have a unique spirit to carry on with your lives in the face of such adversity.
You all have inmeasurable reserves of courage and determination, you have faced many threats and always stood up to them, those who try to destroy that spirit will fail everytime…as the whole world knows you are better than them.I would like to share something with those that feel an immediate reaction to today’s events would be the right thing to do.
I have had an unhealthy interest in the prophecies of Nostradamus for a very long time, I would like to share one of his quatrains, so that we can all be wary of the bigger scenario should we react in the wrong manner:
In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers (World Trade towers)torn apart by
Chaos, while the fortress (Pentagon)endures, the great leader(Bush)will succumb” , “The
third big war will begin when the big city is burning”
Now that seems alarming, but it’s a wake up call for those that feel that we should strkie now, but Nostradamus has been wrong countless times, I hope this one of them.
Squishy
– Nostradamus 1654quote:
Originally posted by Squish:
Firstly, I would like to apologise to anyone who feels it is inappropriate for me to post this on the Lexx board, but I need to say this. The attacks on the US have left me numb and shocked, I can’t put into words the sorrow and grief I feel for the people of this fine nation.
Squish, first off thanks. Your concern is entirely appropriate and greatly appreciated. Tragic events like this remind us what’s really important in life and how trivial some of our every day concerns are. Our earlier tiff seems embarassingly silly in light of what many people are going through now.
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Originally posted by Flamegrape:
We don’t know who did this. Maybe it was radical Chinese communists? Maybe Serbians?
Flamegrape, I know you just used the Serbs as a hypothetical example, but I don’t believe there’s any possibility whatsoever that they were involved, even if there is lingering anger at Nato countries over the massive bombing they endured. They got rid of Milosevic, instituted a democratic government (by Balkan standards) and have made every effort to reintegrate into Europe and the West. I think the majority of people there support these efforts and want to put the past behind and live like other Europeans. Anyway, except under Milosevic, they’ve usually been friendly towards the US and Britain and were allies in both world wars.
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Originally posted by Squish:
It is bound too happen that even the most placid human being would show anger and hatred in the aftermath of this day, but the press have shown many arabs celebrating this as some sick personal pleasure. After seeing that, I could understand a reaction from people who have cannot contain their anger, but we all need to look forward.
Squish, despite the ignorant ugly celebrations of people in the occupied territories (who themselves live under appallingly brutal and bleak conditions every day of their lives), I strongly doubt Arafat and the Palestinian leadership would do this for fear of loosing all US and Western support in ongoing or potential peace negotiations with Israel, however futile these appear to be at the moment. It could be a separate, more radical faction, but I doubt they would have the resources for something of this scale.
My guess, which is speculative at best, is that either Iraq and Saddam are responsible, or more likely, the apparently well financed and organized terrorist group under Osama Bin Ladin, the ex Saudi billionaire. Saddam would have the motivation of revenge for his defeat in the Gulf war and the fact that we’ve been bombing him for ten years now, but since he would be such an easy target for retaliation, I’m not sure he would be that stupid (although he was in the past). Bin Ladin’s motivation is less clear, but is probably related to US support of Israel and past US and British policy in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and the other Gulf States, most of which were specifically created right after the fall of the Ottoman empire in 1918 to provide the West with cheap oil. The problem is that these states were set up as kingdoms with all the wealth going to a few corrupt Emirs at the expense of the vast majority of Arabs who lived in appalling poverty. There’s still a lot of resentment in many parts of the Arab world over these continuing policies, and when this resentment is combined with religious fundamentalism, it’s easy to find willing recruits ready to give their lives in the struggle against the perceived enemy (us). Bin Laden seems to have the resources to achieve a level of sophistication not seen in most terrorist groups – this was a very coordinated effort involving trained pilots and precise timing. He’s been an elusive target since he first bombed two US embassies in Africa several years ago, but is reported to be in Afghanistan which is itself lead by a fundamentalist Islamic government called the Taliban. In his speech tonight, President Bush said that we will hold those who harbor terrorists equally responsible, so I wouldn’t be surprised to either see the Taliban become more cooperative or some action to be taken against them in the near future, assuming of course that it is Bin Ladin behind this.
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Originally posted by Squishi:
In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers (World Trade towers)torn apart by
Chaos, while the fortress (Pentagon)endures, the great leader(Bush)will succumb” , “The
third big war will begin when the big city is burning”
Actually, and this is a trivial point, this quote is not taken from Nostradamus’ quatrains. It was written by a Canadian critic (Neil Marshall) of Nostradamus and the phenomenon around him as an example of a vague and ambiguous prediction. It’s just coincidence that it fits so well in this case.
–Aleck
I’m Scared [img]images/smiles/icon_sad.gif[/img] Nah, hopefully whoever did this will get payback, and thats the end, because this has been a terrible act.
Chronology of terror
September 12, 2001 Posted: 7:53 AM EDT (1153 GMT)8:45 a.m.: A large plane, possibly a hijacked airliner, crashes into one of the World Trade Center towers, tearing a gaping hole in the building and setting it afire.
9:03 a.m.: A second plane, apparently a passenger jet, crashes into the second World Trade Center tower and explodes. Both buildings are burning.
9:17 a.m.: The FAA shuts down all New York City area airports.
9:21 a.m.: New York City Port Authority orders all bridges and tunnels in the New York City area closed
9:30 a.m.: Bush, speaking in Florida, says the country has suffered an “apparent terrorist attack.”
Plane hits WTC.
9:40 a.m.: The FAA halts all flight operations at U.S. airports, the first time in U.S. history that air traffic nationwide has been halted.9:43 a.m.: An aircraft crashes into the Pentagon, sending up a huge plume of smoke. Evacuation begins immediately.
9:45 a.m.: The White House evacuates.
9:57 a.m.: Bush departs from Florida.
10:05 a.m.: The south tower of the World Trade Center collapses, plummeting into the streets below. A massive cloud of dust and debris forms and slowly drifts away from the building.
Pentagon burns.
10:08 a.m.: Secret Service agents armed with automatic rifles are deployed into Lafayette Park across from the White House.10:10 a.m.: A portion of the Pentagon collapses.
10:10 a.m.: United Airlines Flight 93 crashes in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, southeast of Pittsburgh.
10:13 a.m.: The United Nations building evacuates, including 4,700 people from the headquarters building and 7,000 total from UNICEF and U.N. development programs.
10:22 a.m.: In Washington, the State and Justice departments are evacuated, along with the World Bank.
10:24 a.m.: The FAA reports that all inbound transatlantic aircraft flying into the United States are being diverted to Canada.
Pennsylvania crash scene
10:28 a.m.: The World Trade Center’s north tower collapses from the top down as if it were being peeled apart, releasing a tremendous cloud of debris and smoke.10:45 a.m.: All federal office buildings in Washington are evacuated.
10.46 a.m.: U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell cuts short his trip to Latin America to return to the United States.
First tower falls.
10.48 a.m.: Police confirm the crash of a large plane in Somerset County, Pennsylvania.10:53 a.m.: New York’s primary elections scheduled for today are postponed.
10:54 a.m.: Israel evacuates all diplomatic missions.
10:57 a.m.: New York Gov. George Pataki says all state government offices are closed.
11:02 a.m.: Giuliani urges New Yorkers to stay at home and orders an evacuation of the area south of Canal Street.
11:16 a.m.: CNN reports that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is preparing emergency-response teams in a precautionary move.
11:18 a.m.: American Airlines reports it has lost two aircraft. American Flight 11, a Boeing 767 flying from Boston to Los Angeles, had 81 passengers and 11 crew aboard. Flight 77, a Boeing 757 en route from Washington’s Dulles Airport to Los Angeles, had 58 passengers and six crew members aboard. Flight 11 slammed into the north tower of the World Trade Center.
11:26 a.m.: United Airlines reports that United Flight 93, en route from Newark, New Jersey, to San Francisco, has crashed in Pennsylvania, southeast of Pittsburgh. The airline also says that it is “deeply concerned” about United Flight 175.
11:59 a.m.: United Airlines confirms that Flight 175, from Boston to Los Angeles, has crashed with 56 passengers and nine crew members aboard. Emergency personnel at the scene say there are no survivors.
12:04 p.m.: Los Angeles International Airport is evacuated.
12:15 p.m: San Francisco International Airport is evacuated and shut down. The airport was the destination of United Airlines Flight 93, which crashed in Pennsylvania.
Second tower falls.
12:15 p.m.: The Immigration and Naturalization Service says U.S. borders with Canada and Mexico are on the highest state of alert, but no decision has been made about closing borders.12:30 p.m.: The FAA says 50 flights are in U.S. airspace, but none are reporting any problems.
1:04 p.m.: Bush, speaking from Barksdale Air Force Base, says that all appropriate security measures are being taken, including putting the U.S. military on high alert worldwide. He asks for prayers for those killed or wounded in the attacks and says: “Make no mistake, the United States will hunt down and punish those responsible for these cowardly acts.”
1:27 p.m.: A state of emergency is declared by the city of Washington.
1:44 p.m.: The Pentagon says five warships and two aircraft carriers will leave the U.S. Naval Station in Norfolk, Virginia, to protect the East Coast from further attack and to reduce the number of ships in port. The two carriers, the USS George Washington and the USS John F. Kennedy, are headed for the New York coast. The other ships headed to sea are frigates and guided missile destroyers capable of shooting down aircraft.
1:48 p.m.: President Bush leaves Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana aboard Air Force One and flies to an undisclosed location.
“Attacks cowardly”
2 p.m.: Senior FBI sources tell CNN they are working on the assumption that the four airplanes that crashed were hijacked as part of a terrorist attack.2:30 p.m.: The FAA announces there will be no U.S. commercial air traffic until noon EDT Wednesday.
2:49 p.m.: At a news conference, Giuliani says that subway and bus service are restored in New York City. Asked about the number of people killed, Giuliani says, “I don’t think we want to speculate about that — more than any of us can bear.”
3:55 p.m.: Karen Hughes, a White House counselor, says the president is at an undisclosed location, later revealed to be an Air Force base in Nebraska, and is conducting a National Security Council meeting by phone. Vice President Dick Cheney and National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice are in a security facility at the White House. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is at the Pentagon.
3:55 p.m.: Giuliani now says the number of critically injured in New York City is up to 200 with 2,100 total injuries reported.
4 p.m: CNN National Security Correspondent David Ensor reports that U.S. officials say there are “good indications” that bin Laden is involved in the attacks, based on “new and specific” information developed since the attacks.
4:06 p.m.: California Gov. Gray Davis dispatches urban search-and-rescue teams to New York City.
4:10 p.m.: Building 7 of the World Trade Center complex is reported on fire.
New York Mayor Giuliani
4:20 p.m.: U.S. Sen. Bob Graham, D-Florida, chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, says he was “not surprised there was an attack (but) was surprised at the specificity.” He says he was “shocked at what actually happened — the extent of it.”4:25 p.m.: The American Stock Exchange, the Nasdaq and the New York Stock Exchange say they will remain closed Wednesday.
4:30 p.m.: The president leaves Offutt Air Force Base in Nebraska aboard Air Force One to return to Washington.
Soot-covered man
5:15 p.m.: CNN Military Affairs Correspondent Jamie McIntyre reports fires are still burning in part of the Pentagon. No death figures have been released yet.5:20 p.m.: The 47-story Building 7 of the World Trade Center complex collapses. The evacuated building is damaged when the twin towers across the street collapse earlier in the day. Other nearby buildings in the area remain ablaze.
5:30 p.m.: CNN Senior White House Correspondent John King reports that U.S. officials say the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania could have been headed for one of three possible targets: Camp David, the White House or the U.S. Capitol building.
6 p.m.: Explosions are heard in Kabul, Afghanistan, hours after terrorist attacks targeted financial and military centers in the United States. The attacks occurred at 2:30 a.m. local time. Afghanistan is believed to be the home of Saudi militant Osama bin Laden, who U.S. officials say is possibly behind Tuesday’s deadly attacks. U.S. officials say later that the United States had no involvement in the incident whatsoever.
6:10 p.m.: Mayor Rudolph Giuliani urges New Yorkers to stay home Wednesday if they can.
Stunned onlookers
6:40 p.m.: U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld holds a news conference in the Pentagon, noting the building is operational. “It will be in business tomorrow,” he says.6:54 p.m.: Bush arrives back at the White House aboard Marine One and is scheduled to address the nation at 8:30 p.m. The president earlier landed at Andrews Air Force Base with a three-fighter jet escort. CNN’s John King reports Laura Bush arrived earlier by motorcade from a “secure location.”
7:17 p.m.: U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft says the FBI is setting up a Web site for tips on the attacks: [url=http://www.ifccfbi.gov.]www.ifccfbi.gov.[/url] He also says family and friends of possible victims can leave contact information at 800-331-0075.
7:02 p.m.: CNN’s Paula Zahn reports the Marriott Hotel near the World Trade Center is on the verge of collapse and says some New York bridges are now open to outbound traffic.
WTC devastation
7:45 p.m.: The New York Police Department says that at least 78 officers are missing. The city also says that as many as half of the first 400 firefighters on the scene were killed.8:30 p.m. (all times are EDT): President Bush addresses the nation, saying “thousands of lives were suddenly ended by evil” and asks for prayers for the families and friends of Tuesday’s victims. “These acts shatter steel, but they cannot dent the steel of American resolve,” he says. The president says the U.S. government will make no distinction between the terrorists who committed the acts and those who harbor them. He adds that government offices in Washington are reopening for essential personnel Tuesday night and for all workers Wednesday.
[Sorry to interfere Raven, just removing CNN menu from the middle of the summary – Cat]
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Raven great summery
One thing- The Northern Allience (a coalition of several ethnic minority groups in Afganistan, the rebels) have taken responsibility for the explosions in Kabul.
the news says that they know of five arabic suspects in the hijackings.
two things:
it’s not ALL arabs and muslims, if it’s them at all, and if we harm innocents we’re no better than the psychotic bast*rds who did it.
people in USA:
there’s a major blood shortage, call 1 800 GIVE LIFE for a donation center near you. this is especially important if we DO go to war because we’ll need all the extra blood we can get.quote:
Originally posted by brainplague:
it’s not ALL arabs and muslims, if it’s them at all, and if we harm innocents we’re no better than the psychotic bast*rds who did it.
Too late.
[url=http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2001/09/19/251.html]Moscow Times[/url]Perhaps more tragic than the WTC incident itself.
Not too late.
Well, this past week has definately been bad. The patriotism is a bit much though. This was an attack on world humanity. I know the U.S. suffered, I am an American as well. Maybe we just got 30 years of terrorism at once. Everyone else has been getting their small doses for the past … well since anyone could remember. Unless we are all vaporized or die in an agonizingly slow nuclear winter I see no end in sight. I’d like to think I am a good person though. Hopefully not to much will happen in the next 10 years or so. Have a great “Right Now” everyone!
Forever Confused, [img]images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img]
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