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There seems to be a lot of anti-Season 4 talk around here. Why?
Im a big fan of Lexx too and Ive found each and every episode of Lexx to be both laughable and brilliant at the same time. Personally Im enjoying Season 4. Its got the odd dodgy episode and the odd moment of brilliance. So what!?! Thats Lexx isnt it. Season 4 has given us some of the best episodes of Lexx in any season. My personal choices being “Vlad”, “Walpurgis”,”Magic Baby”, “The Rock” and more. And some stinkers (I hate “Fluffdaddy”). At least I can sit down and watch and episode of Lexx 2 or 3 times which is more than I can say for other Sci-Fi stuff. At least Lexx tries (and sometimes fails) to be different and daring and therefore makes it intereting to watch and enjoy. If you dont like Season 4 Dont watch it.
I agree with you, JJ. 100%. Except that I loved Fluffdaddy… and just about all the other season 4 episodes, too.
I just don’t get it with some of you critics out there. From the way Sad was carrying on about 4.11 Midsummer’s Nightmare, I thought it was going to be truly terrible. Wrong, it was wonderful. It was the looney Lexx I come to expect.
And because of that unbelievably dreadful rant about 4.12 Bad Carrot, I went out of my way to warn newbies to not watch any of the new episodes at the end of January! I’ve even been truly worried about the impact that this horrible episode would have on Lexx fandom in general!
Much Ado About Nothing
Now I’m coming around to the conclusion that I have nothing to worry about. All of the season 4 Lexx episodes have been consistent and good. In fact, I think it’s all getting better and better.
I’m also starting to wonder if SadGeezer has been putting us on, telling all of us that the upcoming episodes are worthless when they’re actually priceless.
It has all but befuddled my dang fool cracker mind.
I don’t get it, last night’s eppy was faaaannnnnttaaaaaaaaastic! I mean, sure, it’s not thier best, but that’s the way of Lexx.
I mean, I thought it would be horrid.
Hmm, I’ve got it! This is a conspiricy between Scifi and Saddy! Yeah, he lowers our expectations so that we think it’s going to be bad, and when it isn’t, we are happy!
(cool green aliens!)
LOL Hypatia!
I was beginning to wonder if it was worth finding someone to tape this episode for me or not. With such varying opinions, I think it is definitely worth finding out for myself.
I dont entirely get it either. It was Season4 that really turned me into a fanatic. Series 3 was the first I watched and while I wasent blown over, I thought wow this is better than all the other crap on. Series 4 has clearly been the best in my opinion. There isnt an episode I dont like. I really liked Fluff Daddy, but again I like any episode where the Beans are present. Lex really showed off some acting ability, and Jeff, well Jeff is always Jeff. It was especially funny that he was pacing practicing his one line in that porno they were making.
I think the only downside to Fluff Daddy is that it got a lil confusing with so many things left unexplained. Xev killing Kai, even a fake one should’ve had more reprecussions on her pysche. But she had a lot to worry about from then on out so who knows. All in all Im not disapointed with anything in this series.
And YES, last night was one of the best eps this season. But it seemed to have a TON of commercials. Everytime it got good, commercial. I really liked that the “NOOK” music came back for a little while this episode as well as the Brigadoom’ish tease in the Forest when Xev tries to convince Kai to leave.
BTW Was that “Row, row, row your boat” they were singing to?
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And in aMN the funniest line had to be:
“Stanley H. Tweedle goes through the front door, or he doesnt come to the party”
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[ 26-01-2002: Message edited by: LexxLurker ]
Yes! People are coming out of the closet and revealing that they actually love season 4! Good for you!
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Originally posted by LexxLurker:
BTW Was that “Row, row, row your boat” they were singing to?
Yup, that had to have been Row, Row, Row Your Boat. But I think Kirk, Spock, and McCoy conveyed a more terrifying stage presence with their rendition of that particular ditty in Star Trek V.
But I still want to know if there is a relationship between the site of the Feast Of Morgroth and the cover of Pink Floyd’s 1977 album, Animals:
Anyone? Anyone?
Good catch Flamegrape, after you said it my mouth made a big O. Thought it looked familar in some way…
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DGKyou obviously care enough about Lexx to create your own ‘tribute’ elsewhere.
http://www3.nf.sympatico.ca/dgk_nf/offering.htmIts a fine page by the way, and I think we agree, Lexx is usually a damn fine show. I’m also very confused – about two things. Firstly, whilst the show is often characterised by amazing highs and lows, I feel I’ve been watching it flatline lately. Lexx has always divided fans of course – usually the one and same fan! It is often possible to watch episodes, and find yourself arguing with yourself. We can find ourselves questioning why we put ourselves through ‘that’, but the following week we find ourselves anxious for the next serving and often delighted by the result.
Secondly, the thing that is interesting about the most recent season, however, is that our ‘private’ argument has spilled out into the ‘public’ realm (bearing in mind I am wary of such a distinction to begin with). We are arguing amongst ourselves – people we would normally want to agree with and would not want to hurt or offend. We are not the first to bemoan the apparent lack of ‘quality’ during the current season though. This has been ‘taken’ as a ‘given’ elsewhere (I’ve just noticed that there is a thread here back down the line of someone reporting about a consensus emerging in alt.tv groups concerning the current season – and the person reporting this ‘fact’ was quite surprised, and encourages responses to ‘it’).
My response coincides with your own regarding ‘editing’ . Lack of quality control by virtue of too many episodes or an uncertainty in tone. I also suspect that the producers have responded to a critisism of season 3 – where it is commonly held to be ‘too serious’ . So, in response to this perceived quality and/or lack of (humour/playfulness), they (presumably)went the other way for the first half of season 4 . And these same people appear to be complaining about it not taking itself (and/or the audience) too seriously anymore! Note, however , that any response to its perceived qualities – including Salter Street’s response to temper it with a perceived imbalance – has its basis in the thing being responded to – namely, Lexx. We are talking about the show’s properties not (just) about our our sensibilities. Or if you prefer , a ‘given’ response ‘taken’ from it. Ours. And the scales have tipped the other way in some quarters. You and I both know that we are going to continue to watch Lexx, and shall ignore the call to not watch it, despite ongoing reservations. This forum, however, appears to be more accepting than most (god bless its soul) – the only thing it doesn’t seem to want to accept is critisism of OUR show. Its almost as if its their’s alone. but to quote you on your site
Feedback is like protoblood, it keeps me going!
[ 27-01-2002: Message edited by: bonnee ]
Based on the recent SciFi Channel chat with Paul and Lex, I don’t get the impression that they are overly concerned with the opinions of the fans. They write and create what they like. It turned out different ways in each season. Say, have you noticed that each season is different? And I don’t think it has anything to do with vain attempts to appeal to fans or corporate suits. Paul stated in an interview with one of our moderators that SciFi would have gladly payed for a 5th season of Lexx. It’s just that the makers of the show are no longer interested in continuing it and they want to move on to other things. I think that’s good!
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Originally posted by LexxLurker:
Good catch Flamegrape, after you said it my mouth made a big O. Thought it looked familar in some way…
tis eerie fg, but it also looks like the big plant on the waterfront in halifax, so which is it? anybody look at the credits for where this was filmed?
I have to weigh in here and say that I’ve really been enjoying Season 4 for the most part. I mean, we fought hard enough to get it!
I liked Bad Carrot. There, I said it. But then, my sense of humor has always been a little skewed toward the scatalogical.
AMSN wasn’t as good IMO (that’s Battersea Power Station in the background, btw, which is apparently closed — too bad they couldn’t film inside). But there were bits about the episode that I liked. I don’t recall ever seeing Patrick Gordon in anything before, but I think he must be a marvelous actor. In any case, my dislikes aren’t enough to keep me from watching Lexx to the end, and loving it. I’ll be terribly sad when it’s gone, but I wish the cast and crew et al well in their new, non-Lexx lives.
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But I still want to know if there is a relationship between the site of the Feast Of Morgroth and the cover of Pink Floyd’s 1977 album, Animals
Can’t think of a direct relation between the two, but the Floyd did name-check the astronomical counterparts of two of 4.11’s characters in a line from the lead track of their 1967 album The Piper at the Gates of Dawn, “Astronomy Domine”:
“Jupiter and Saturn, Oberon, Miranda and Titania”
–Aleck
the following might prove to be useful in some way – then again, maybe not. As far as I can tell, Lexx might be underlining one of the season’s themes and indirectly referring to your anus (uranus) by way of the fairies
http://www.seds.org/nineplanets/nineplanets/oberon.html[ 28-01-2002: Message edited by: bonnee ]
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Originally posted by Flamegrape:
Based on the recent SciFi Channel chat with Paul and Lex, I don’t get the impression that they are overly concerned with the opinions of the fans. They write and create what they like. It turned out different ways in each season. Say, have you noticed that each season is different? And I don’t think it has anything to do with vain attempts to appeal to fans or corporate suits. Paul stated in an interview with one of our moderators that SciFi would have gladly payed for a 5th season of Lexx. It’s just that the makers of the show are no longer interested in continuing it and they want to move on to other things. I think that’s good!
And that’s the way it should be, Paul and Lex have done that from the beginning, it’s their baby, and they have every right to do what they want.
It’s the same every season, they make some bad ones and then there are good ones, but that’s what you get if you experiment, which is why Lexx has an edge over other Sci-Fi, at least they are not rehashing previous episodes like other programmes.
Season 4 for me, is a typical Lexx season, I haven’t enjoyed all of it, but I’m not going to criticize it…what’s the point???
It’s worthwhile remembering that we probably won’t see another programme that doesn’t bow to mainstream opinion or what other’s feel makes good Sci-Fi, so if you don’t like it…tough, we do, and so does Paul and Lex, and that’s all that matters.
Squishy 
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Originally posted by Flamegrape:
But I still want to know if there is a relationship between the site of the Feast Of Morgroth and the cover of Pink Floyd’s 1977 album, Animals:
Anyone? Anyone?
The only one I can think of is that the site of the Feast was at batterseas Power Station and the l;arge building oin the picture is (I think) the same building.
It looks a lot different in real life – The actual power station is closed now. i don’t know if it is waiting for re-development or if it is listed. It is a famous landmark in London though.
[ 28-01-2002: Message edited by: SadGeezer ]
I love all LEXX all the TIME
VIVA LAS LEXX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1quote:
Originally posted by bonnee:
SquishyYour penmanship is atrocious, and you dress in the manner of a male prostitute
Well, I could say the same about myself. But where have you seen a copy of Squishy’s penmanship?
Glad you’re enjoying S4, Dgre. I am too and I loved Bad Carrot as well but not as much as 769!!
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Originally posted by bonnee:
SquishyYour penmanship is atrocious, and you dress in the manner of a male prostitute
Things are independent in so far as they can occur in all possible situations, but this form of independence is a form of connexion with states of affairs, a form of depen-dence. (It is impossible for words to appear in two different roles: by themselves, and in propositions.) Roughly translated – Season 4 blows monkey chunks (so far)…TOUGH!!!
If you don’t like it, then don’t watch it, simple enough isn’t it.
SquishySquishy
you really should follow Aleck’s example and not allow yourself to be provoked by me. I’m just teasing – btw, monkey’s chunks is actually his paraphrase of my account, and I’m just taking the **** by including it within a desciption of our philosophical differences. its all in fun.
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Originally posted by bonnee:
Squishyyou really should follow Aleck’s example and not allow yourself to be provoked by me. I’m just teasing – btw, monkey’s chunks is actually his paraphrase of my account, and I’m just taking the **** by including it within a desciption of our philosophical differences. its all in fun.
No worries Bonnee, I don’t feel provoked
at all, actually you’ve livened the board up a bit.
I think Aleck enjoys these kind of posts, I always enjoyed the brain bashing that Aleck and DT790 use to give each other, it was fun watching them pit their intellects against each other, now your on the scene, I can see those days coming around again.
I can’t wait for you to start sparring with DT, he’ll have you chasing your tail like a mad dog for days on end!!!
It’s all good fun, and I know that you are looking for a good philosophical debate on Lexx…you’ve certainly come to the right place for that.
My only point is that after all said and done, Lexx has been this way since it began, you can debate it till your blue in the face, but it ain’t gonna change.
It’s obvious that Paul D’s message to anyone who watches Lexx is ‘like it or lump it, it’s my creation and if you don’t like it…then tough’, which really is how the fans treat those who feel Lexx is not meeting their expectations.
I honestly agree with many of the points you made, but it will never change my opinion that Lexx is the best Sci-Fi to come our way since Star Wars.
I have yet to see a Sci-Fi programme that has dared to be different, and has been original from day one, at least Lexx isn’t scared to experiment and it doesn’t care what other’s think of it.
Squishy Agree with everything you say Squish. I’m not really sure that Lexx should be taken as my cue to sprout analytic philosophy though – if there is one show that discourages such an approach, its Lexx. sorry about that. i just got on my high horse because i found myself on the receiving end of an instance of Subjectivism 101 and all the complications that usually entails. I’d rather not be acting like a show pony, although I certainly appreciated someone meeting me on my home turf, so to speak. The interesting thing about philosophy is that it is full of intelligent people trying to convince each other they’re idiots, and that’s just idiotic. They’re is actually little difference between (say) disputes between Farscape and Lexx fans and Derrida and Habermas fanatics – everyone wants to be proven ‘right’, and resents the one encroaching on the others ‘territority’ For me, the interesting thing/s are the disputes themselves – the ground covered, lost, fought over, etc. I’m actually grateful for being reminded by what is ‘great’ about Lexx, even when its ‘bad’. thanks for that. I suppose my concern is how hermetically sealed fandom can become, allowing itself to tolerate things that it wouldn’t otherwise allow, and resist/resent dissent from ‘within’. I certainly look forward to chasing my tail like a dog though – although my dog (bonnee, an alaskan malamute) has never chasen a thing in her life. so, I’ll probably need a demonstration of some sort
[ 30-01-2002: Message edited by: bonnee ]
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…although my dog (bonnee, an alaskan malamute) has never chasen a thing in her life. so, I’ll probably need a demonstration of some sort
[ 30-01-2002: Message edited by: bonnee ]
Forgive a many eyed spud. Me thinks we’ve been set up-
so you admit to taking a female name on a board? You named your female dog- bonnee?
Was it fair for you to jump on everyone’s back for possibly assuming you are female when you purposely took a feminine name, one that is admittedly by your own post, given to a female entity close to you?I’m glad you wrote in your last post that you got my point, as I was beginning believe that you were a Farscape fan, that was just here to ruffle some Lexxian feathers.
And to get some practice in for chasing your tail, why not tie a T-bone steak to your dog’s tail…and watch her go!!!, alternatively, simply disagree with one of DT’s posts and let the tail chasing begin!!!
(P.S Aleck doesn’t chase his tail, he just foams at the mouth when dealing with DT!!!)
Squishy I’m sorry, but I have to agree with Sad, I’ve been a fan of LEXX since series 1, and this series is not the best, there have been some good episodes, BUT, well what can I say, I will be watching the rest of the eries in hope that it can only get better !!!!!!
I was beginning believe that you were a Farscape fan, that was just here to ruffle some Lexxian feathers.
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Really Squish!?! God I can be niave at times – I thought I made myself clear in my original post here. I HATED, LOATHED and DESPISED Farscape at first. Like you, i gave up at first. I had only just started to really watch it relatively recently, around the beginning of the start of Lexx season 4 downunder. 1/2 of the way into the second season literally before Lexx was about to start. Since I have cable, I was able to discover farscape in repeat three times a week from the begginning, and so watch it develop from an appalling Lexx rip off (amongst others) into something distinctive and remarkable . And Tony can ascertain that I’ve been a Lexx fans for years – I stumbled across this site by way of my love for Lexx, and was even moved to review the site for an ezine I was writing for at the time——————————————–
Was it fair for you to jump on everyone’s back for possibly assuming you are female when you purposely took a feminine name, one that is admittedly by your own post, given to a female entity close to you?
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Another instance of me being niave I suppose, although I only recall reproaching Alec for making that assumption as an indication of other assumptions I assumed him to be making at the time. I actually identified myself as male in the Lexx episode forum when season 4 debuted and was speaking to some of the people here over there. not to mention that Tony mentioned me by name in the announcements post. forgive me for assuming that Lexx fans know their fe/males when they saw oneLoathe to comment too much on Midsummer’s Nightmare until I’ve got the review sorted out in my head/site, but personally I thought it would have been quite alright were it not for the entire singing forest angle.
It wasn’t a great episode, as far as I’m concerned, but I didn’t think it anywhere near as bad as Love Grows or Eating Pattern, which – considering the behind-the-scenes problems – was actually fairly surprising.
Conversely, I found The Rock positively objectionable. Watching Stanley Tweedle have the crap beaten out of him for an hour (for seemingly no reason) is not, in my mind, enjoyable television. Especially when it’s interspersed with that lovely Irish lilt of the Brunnen-G anthem.
Personally, I liked the Rock. A good character episode filled with warmth and humour. But everyone has their own faves.
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Another instance of me being niave I suppose, although I only recall reproaching Alec for making that assumption as an indication of other assumptions I assumed him to be making at the time. I actually identified myself as male in the Lexx episode forum when season 4 debuted and was speaking to some of the people here over there. not to mention that Tony mentioned me by name in the announcements post. forgive me for assuming that Lexx fans know their fe/males when they saw one
yes, i’ll agree with you there, you are naive. You assume much, for example: That everyone reads every single word you type.
Unfortunatly, being a Brit with no access to sci-fi channel I am sadly left behind in the world of Lexx. Personally, I think out of the first 3 series, 2 was the best. It doesn’t seem to be as good when it is always the same planet.
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