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Now, I know the last few topics I started turned into arguments that what I’m about to write may not be appropriate subject matter for our board but I will proceed because it is something that has perplexed me.
What is with Stan? I mean, this man uses every opportunity to try to have sex with every female being he meets. He has gone so low as to make passes at a grieving woman. He’d hit on the Time Prophet if he had a chance! No matter what the situation, or what type of person physically of mentally the woman is he will try his best and his most tactless to get them in bed. What is this?!? I mean, Stanley Tweedle seems to be a pretty good guy. He’s not terribly unintelligent. He always tries to do the right thing, and shows genuine remorse over past sins (even though he sometimes goes and does the same thing again). But he is a compulsive philanderer and gynecopiper. He has a sexual appetite of unfathomable voracity. I’ve never known of anyone with such an obsession with physical pleasure. He seems to always be thinking about sex, regardless of what more important things he could and should be thinking of at the time. Xev is the same way, but at least she has an excuse (it has been explained that the love slave transformation accelerated her [i]libido[/i], the emotional energy of carnal lust).
What is the cause of this? Did he have a bad childhood? Did his early relations with the opposite sex warp his thoughts on the subject? Is it an Austral-B cultural abstraction? Why is Stan sex-mad?
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Originally posted by DalekTek790:
What is with Stan? I mean, this man uses every opportunity to try to have sex with every female being he meets… He has a sexual appetite of unfathomable voracity… I’ve never known of anyone with such an obsession with physical pleasure. He seems to always be thinking about sex, regardless of what more… Why is Stan sex-mad?
You are right about this. I have pondered long and hard on this topic, and even discussed it with theBrother. We have come to the conclusion that dispite his seeming intelligence in other areas, Stan has one problem that he cannot over come. Stan is every bit as enslaved by the writers of Salter Street as Kai was by His Divine Shadow. Poor Stan is a pawn who is forced to do dastardly things *just* because it makes the story more interesting. [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
Or as theBrother points out when I fuss about why is so and so doing such as stupid thing? “Well he had to, it was in the script.” [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
To empathize, if I was surrounded by Zev then Xev and got little to no booty for 4000+ years I think Id be a tad more randy than Stan personally [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
Gynecopiper? Anyhow, I think Stan is looking for love in all the wrong places, (Someone should write a song about that), I think he has a low self-esteem, especially after the Feppo and Smore (?) business, I think his ego needs stroking more than other things, he needs a woman to see his strengths (and he does have some) rather than point out his weaknesses, which so many females have done… I think Stan is very attractive and he feels very protective of Xev. I also think he is substituting sex for love which many people do… Does anybody, DT, you probably do, know just how many women Stan did bed?? [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img] Frankly, I think alot of people disregard and dismiss Stanley as being a goofball, and he’s really not.
You have an interesting point, DT ,and I’ll try to help clear it up for you .
It’s been my experience that men who have been rejected by women repeatedly through their lives tend to follow 1 of 2 paths. They shut down their libido and just totally absorb theselves in other interests (this is very rare). And the other path usually ends with the man in question becoming obsessed with porn, videos of women, and getting it from anyone ,anywhere they can , instead of focusing on respecting women and loving them because being loved by a woman actually TAKES a woman, but the CAN experience sexual pleasure without one.Tese men tend to think with only one brain, because they have been so rejected by so many women for so long that women become this incredible “Force” an amazing high they can never touch except in their fantasies. They can’t help it, it’s all they know.
This of course is an extreme generalisation, but I have found it to ring true in so many cases. I honestly think that this is what happened to Stan, he so needs to be loved ,that he will do anything necesary.
Hope that helped [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]Could be a reverse Capt Kerk? Kerk is Very heroic and gets laid. But Stan isnt and has a hard time get anything at all. No?
Kinda a Star Trek spoof. He’s the captn but isnt very brave and has trubble with woman.
Oh what do know…
[ 05-03-2002: Message edited by: HisDivineShadow ]
or maybe stan is meant to be a caricature or parody of everyman, the same way xev/zev is a caricature of every stock thunderthighed hyperlibidinous scifi sex goddess [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by NB1:
I also think he is substituting sex for love which many people do…
Yes, that much is certain. That’s an all too common psychology on Earth as well.
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Gynecopiper?
I think that applies to him. Or are you unsure what that means?
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Does anybody, DT, you probably do, know just how many women Stan did bed??
It was four at my last count, but there are episodes I have missed.
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Originally posted by Nirvanah Rimmer:
It’s been my experience that men who have been rejected by women repeatedly through their lives tend to follow 1 of 2 paths. They shut down their libido and just totally absorb theselves in other interests (this is very rare). And the other path usually ends with the man in question becoming obsessed with porn, videos of women, and getting it from anyone ,anywhere they can , instead of focusing on respecting women and loving them because being loved by a woman actually TAKES a woman, but the CAN experience sexual pleasure without one.
So you’re saying maybe Lyekka’s rejection (coupled with rejection by a few other girls in his youth) caused Stan to be this way? I thought that could be it, bad experiences with the opposite sex. In the flashback he was very shy and polite, quite unlike his usual approach when it comes to women.
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Tese men tend to think with only one brain…
I have an interesting if irrelevent addition to this analogy. Insects of the order Mantidae each have two brains, one in their head wired to their sense organs, the other in their abdomen wired to their sex organs. These brains can vie for dominance over the body. Some humans are like mantids in this respect.
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…because they have been so rejected by so many women for so long that women become this incredible “Force” an amazing high they can never touch except in their fantasies. They can’t help it, it’s all they know.
I suppose there could be people like Stan (or worse) in real life.
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Originally posted by HisDivineShadow:
Could be a reverse Capt Kerk? Kerk is Very heroic and gets laid. But Stan isnt and has a hard time get anything at all.
I think the opposite of Stan would be Kai: he is brave and virtuous and doesn’t want sex but the women are all over him.
“I am Stanley H. Tweedle, last of the Austral-B. The Austral-B were a race of great, um…I’m Stan.”
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Originally posted by DalekTek790:
I have an interesting if irrelevent addition to this analogy. Insects of the order Mantidae each have two brains, one in their head wired to their sense organs, the other in their abdomen wired to their sex organs. These brains can vie for dominance over the body. Some humans are like mantids in this respect.
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[b][i]”That sounds like my buddy, Ol’ Kentucky Shark, of Kentucky Nightmare Talkshow Liquor Corporation! Once I made a documentary about sharks and why they explode. I made it for public television, but they told me it was stupid and grossly inaccurate. Why do sharks explode? This is because sometimes their brains and sexual organs are made out of M-80’s. Sometimes, to attract mates, a shark will explode. And sometimes they explode just to attract giant killer bees.”[/i][/b](Just so you know, I’m kidding with you DT!)
[img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img][b]I think the opposite of Stan would be Kai: he is brave and virtuous[/b]
Kai isn’t virtuous. He’s dead. So naturally, he doesn’t want sex. [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
Times stan has had sex:
1.Love Grows with a man(Xev)while he was a woman.
2.White Trash with Sissy.
3.Boomtown several times and it’s all of screen so you count really count it.I’m trying to remember but I don’t remember him getting any since Boomtown…
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Kai isn’t virtuous. He’s dead. So naturally, he doesn’t want sex. [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img][/QB]
ok, maybe he doesn’t want sex, but he doesn’t seem to object too much to being a passive participant. For example, when 769 wanted him to “bend over” and Stan said “It’s not going to happen” Didn’t Kai say “Why not?” It is enough to make one wonder what was going on with all those divine order priests back on the cluster…..
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Originally posted by Flamegrape:
[img]http://www.flamegrape.com/pic/spaceghost5_160x.jpg[/img]
[i]”That sounds like my buddy, Ol’ Kentucky Shark, of Kentucky Nightmare Talkshow Liquor Corporation! Once I made a documentary about sharks and why they explode. I made it for public television, but they told me it was stupid and grossly inaccurate. Why do sharks explode? This is because sometimes their brains and sexual organs are made out of M-80’s. Sometimes, to attract mates, a shark will explode. And sometimes they explode just to attract giant killer bees.”[/i]
“Ha-HA! Crack a window, will ya, Willie? Crack open ALL the windows!”
–Aleck
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Originally posted by D’gre’Queen:
Kai isn’t virtuous. He’s dead. So naturally, he doesn’t want sex. [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
I didn’t mean virtuous in that way, that is just one of his admirable traits. He also has shown, even in life, to have been willing to do something for the greater good even if he knows it will have serious repercussions on him. He is also brave and will put the needs of others before his own.
The times Stan has had sex that I’ve seen are with Sissy in [i]White Trash[/i], with Prince in [i]The Key[/i], with Muffy in [i]Walpurgis Night[/i], and with Piccalina in [i]Prime Ridge[/i]. Like I said, there are a couple episodes I haven’t seen yet where something might have happened. One I think had to do with a place on Fire where nymphomaniacs are punished and Stan had sex with a couple of women. And he lost the key to the Lexx to Lulu, which would imply that he had sex with her in another episode I missed. He told Prince he got the key back from her through sex but it looked (a lot) like he was lying.
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Originally posted by DalekTek790:
One I think had to do with a place on Fire where nymphomaniacs are punished and Stan had sex with a couple of women.
Wrong. It was a city on Water, and its citizenry were rewarded by being able to have all the sex they wanted. Sex, in and of itself, is not a punishable offense in the [i]LEXX[/i] universe.
quote[quote]And he lost the key to the Lexx to Lulu, which would imply that he had sex with her in another episode I missed. He told Prince he got the key back from her through sex but it looked (a lot) like he was lying.[/quote]
2 words: Premature Ejaculation.
–Aleck
Brian Downey said it best in an interview: “Stan is Charlie Chaplin in space.”
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Originally posted by Aleck:
2 words: Premature Ejaculation.
–Aleck
Wrong! Pre-pre-pre-pre-premature Ejaculation. I mean come’on seriously one kiss!!??!!
Stan- the greatest 5 seconds any woman has ever had
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Originally posted by The_Steven_Bell:
Times stan has had sex:1.Love Grows with a man(Xev)while he was a woman.
2.White Trash with Sissy.
3.Boomtown several times and it’s all of screen so you count really count it.I’m trying to remember but I don’t remember him getting any since Boomtown…
4. The Key with Xev(Prince)
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Originally posted by Headgehog:
4. The Key with Xev(Prince)
I already had that. The count is 4+[i]Boomtown[/i] total+anything he might have gotten in [i]Vlad[/i], [i]Fluff Daddy[/i], [i]A Midsummer’s Nightmare[/i], [i]769[/i], or [i]Mort[/i] (I’ve been forced to miss about every other episode this season and I don’t like to read the reviews before I see them).
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Originally posted by DalekTek790:
I already had that. The count is 4+[i]Boomtown[/i] total+anything he might have gotten in [i]Vlad[/i], [i]Fluff Daddy[/i], [i]A Midsummer’s Nightmare[/i], [i]769[/i], or [i]Mort[/i] (I’ve been forced to miss about every other episode this season and I don’t like to read the reviews before I see them).
It was implied that he may have gotten some in Walpurgis Night, but Stan didn’t get lucky in any episode after that, so far.
He had sex a few times before the series; with Feppo and Smoor, and two girls on the Celes Pleasure Transport.stan is a teenager trapped in a man’s body. his rampant sexual appetite seems almost akin to that of a youngster going through the throes of hormonal torment-and not knowing quite what to do about it. could he have been wrapped in cotton wool as a child? was he a mummy’s boy? did his parents even mention to him that the birds & the bees existed, before he was thrust out into the adult world? does his upbringing have more to do with his lack of emotional and sexual maturity, more than any subsequent rejection of his sexual/emotional overtures by women?
it does happen. i feel quite sorry for him. he’s one confused individual.
(apologies if i’ve missed something somewhere along the line. don’t hit me too hard!!!) [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]quote:
Originally posted by Headgehog:
It was implied that he may have gotten some in Walpurgis Night, but Stan didn’t get lucky in any episode after that, so far.
He did in [i]Prime Ridge[/i]. Thanks for the information, since [i]Vlad[/i] there have been patches in my [i]Lexx[/i] knowledge. [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by Praxilla:
Ahem, I believe it’s been stated many, many times…HE’S DEAD! D-E-A-D. He doesn’t have needs, he doesn’t breath, he doesn’t feel, he just is! Going through the motions, that’s it. *imagining Kai would say something like* You have a need? I guess I can fill it because I don’t have cares. Do what you want.
I [i]meant[/i] in his life. At the point when he decided to fly beyond Brunnis-2’s shields to speak to the Time Prophet, he did not yet know that the Brunnen-G were all doomed to death, but he did know the possible repercussions of his actions. He knew he could get thrown in jail for punching a hole in the shields, and he knew that his lover would probably leave him if he went on his space trip, but he did it anyway, because he believed the Prophet’s knowledge could benefit his people.
And don’t be so anty, Prax. [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by Snooklepie:
stan is a teenager trapped in a man’s body. his rampant sexual appetite seems almost akin to that of a youngster going through the throes of hormonal torment-and not knowing quite what to do about it.
I’ve never even known (or known of) any [i]teenagers[/i] who were at Stan’s level. I mean, some kids have overactive libidoes, but Stan is in a class by himself, whatever his mental age.
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could he have been wrapped in cotton wool as a child? was he a mummy’s boy? did his parents even mention to him that the birds & the bees existed, before he was thrust out into the adult world? does his upbringing have more to do with his lack of emotional and sexual maturity, more than any subsequent rejection of his sexual/emotional overtures by women?
I would think that the people who end up Tweedle-like in sexual attitudes and behavior were rather the ones who were neglected or poorly brought up, whose parents spoke openly of sex and didn’t really care what their kids did. [img]images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img] But then again, my knowledge of psychology is not extensive.
I completely agree that there was almost certainly something wrong with Stan’s upbringing. Remember, Zev grew up in a box, perhaps childhood on Stan’s planet (also a League planet under the Divine Order) was similarly terrible. [i]P4X[/i] establishes that Stan was born on Austral-B. A lot of people on Austral-B [i]really[/i] hated the Divine Order, and maybe that was because they lived in an awful society that the Order was responsible for.
Off topic, are my posts too long? I mean, if I’m cinsistently boring people with these lengthly messages and you’re skipping or skimming through my posts, say something. I can work on trimming them down.
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he’s one confused individual.
I’m sayin! [img]images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by Praxilla:
“anty?” is that a mistype? Just wondering. If you meant angry, I’m not, I just like happy little exclamations. [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] And, sweetums, if you meant during his “life-life” than say that the first time, it would help in understanding your thoughts.On if your posts are too long, I think they might be. When I first hit the button to quote you, all that came up was the last line of your entire post. hrmm… although it takes a while, maybe you should put each reply to each person in a seperate post? Just a suggestion!
That’s kinda what I meant when I wrote “in life” in the post on Kai.
“Anty” is a slang term meaning “unresaonably and consistently adverse,” or “diametrically opposed.” It comes from a shortening of the word “antagonistic.”
Okay, the quote thing usually only reproduces what is after the last quote on the previous post. Aleck taught me how to split up quotes so I can reply to each part individually and avoid confusion.
I’m not really sure where to go with this thread. It’s like tiptoing theough a minefield. I want discussion (there seems to be a deficiency in [i]Lexx[/i]-related talk lately), but it’s a sensitive topic and if I say the wrong thing it could turn into a big argument. [img]images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img]
quote[quote]I’m not really sure where to go with this thread. It’s like tiptoing theough a minefield. I want discussion (there seems to be a deficiency in [i]Lexx[/i]-related talk lately), but it’s a sensitive topic and if I say the wrong thing it could turn into a big argument. [img]images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img][/quote]
What part is a sensitive topic? The sex or Kai?
On Stan’s sexual drive, he’s horny, horny, horny, horny. 4,000 years asleep will build up a lot of testosterone. I imagine the morning wood fairy had one joyuous time visiting poor Stanley.
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[ 09-03-2002: Message edited by: Praxilla ]
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Originally posted by Praxilla:
What part is a sensitive topic? The sex or Kai?
Sex.
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No, I’m not being antagonistic, I’m stating my opinion. People do like to have opinions. However, I have noticed that you get my back up, your personality feels like you are somebody other than you pretend to be on this board. True or not? I don’t know. Do I care or not? Not really.
I said that because your response seemed especially mean and over the top with the numerous exclamation points and all. Plus, in the brief time I’ve known you, you’ve accused me of having nasty thoughts, insulted my intelligence, and recycled two jokes I posted previously. This implies an (inexplicable) animosity toward me, a trend that seemed to be continuing with your ireful response to my post.
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[b]On Stan’s sexual drive, he’s horny, horny, horny, horny. 4,000 years asleep will build up a lot of testosterone. I imagine the morning wood fairy had one joyuous time visiting poor Stanley.[/b]
LMAO, Prax! I got such a mental image from that! (Eww) [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
U.S. veiwers apparently didn’t see this scene cut from Fluff Daddy especially for them: Stan get’s to give a tall, bearded low voiced crazy man some “head”. Sorry if that offends anyone. Maybe Stan is acting out his urges because of all the mistreatment he has recieved in his life. I mean, come on, he is essentially homeless and running from one place to another, he has been almost killed several times (almost every episode)and women do not like him and if they do they usually get killed (I mean, his ideal woman is a dream/plant!!! How screwed is that?)He has died twice, been raped, kidnapped, tortured, betrayed and that is only the beginning in a list that has a hell of a lot of other things that could go on it. What a life! He’s got it worse than any of the others. Mr. Downey said in the making of Lexx III that “I wouldn’t want to be the guy”. I agree.
If I had that all happen to me, I might be a little aggressive in my approach of women and life in general. Bless him for his courage, sticktuidness and humour (if a little self depricating at times). Let’s hope Stan get’s over it, if he can AND loses his jumpsuit and hat finally! Stan, as described in Making of Lexx III, wants to be comfortable. After a life like his, wouldn’t you?okay, can we drop this?? I’m pretty sure that when DT said don’t be so anty and put a smiley face next to it, he was trying to make a joke (however inappropriate) and I and others we’re enjoying this thread before that happened. You both misunderstood what each other meant, okay? Sometimes that happens when people can’t see each other while talking. It’s getting irritating when everytime someone posts a discussion, a fight ensues. Don’t get me wrong “heated debates” are great, but bickering about something not even related to the topic is such a wast of your time, and everyone elses > [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
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