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Well that’s very good question. Its been suggested before that the key can be transfer as an act of will. If you watch Thodin closely in the movie you notice he was really concentrating on the transfer.
-SM
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“Your wrong this is one hell of a planet!”
-ATF agent in “Texx Lexx”I always figured Thodin had been through some sort of training that allowed him to pass the Key to others at will. One wonders where Thodin got it in the first place, how it was transferred to him.
In the Lexx episode I wrote Thodin had help from a secondary bio-vizier known as Bugboy. Bugboy had worked on the Lexx and had a copy of the Key, which he transferred to the heretical bio-vizier-in-training Thodin after discovering that the Divine Order was in Insect conspiracy to destroy mankind.
But in the show the origin of the second Key (His Divine Shadow had the first, and part of his essence may still possess it, for all we know) has never been revealed.
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Lee P. Sherman, code name DalekTek790
Whovian, Froudian, Lexxian, etc.If the key to the Lexx can only be transferred at the point of death, or maybe orgasm, how is it that Thodin transferred his key to a fellow heretic at will?
In the first episode before Thodin meets Kai in battle at the entrance to the Lexx he transfers the key.
Originally posted by DalekTek790:
I always figured Thodin had been through some sort of training that allowed him to pass the Key to others at will. One wonders where Thodin got it in the first place, how it was transferred to him.In the Lexx episode I wrote Thodin had help from a secondary bio-vizier known as Bugboy. Bugboy had worked on the Lexx and had a copy of the Key, which he transferred to the heretical bio-vizier-in-training Thodin after discovering that the Divine Order was in Insect conspiracy to destroy mankind.
But in the show the origin of the second Key (His Divine Shadow had the first, and part of his essence may still possess it, for all we know) has never been revealed.
Here’s a whacky thought from the stable of whackiness:
What if the Heretics grew their own Lexx, they had the amino acids to do it, and if they did then maybe that’s how they aquired another key.
So somewhere out there could have been Lexx’s twin, god knows where they would have hidden him though!!!
Anyway, told you it was whacky.
Actually St.Paul came to me in a vision and told me this was so, but then I had a visit from 7 of 9, so I suppose it could have just been a dream.
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SquishyI think it’s pointless to try to understand HOW Thodin did anything. I mean, come on, the man had detachable eyeballs that make him invisible and bombs that come out of his nose! I would imagine he was capable of many mind-boggling feats and I’m not going to waste my time trying to figure them out when I could be looking at pictures of Kai.
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Gideon: I thought you said you don’t hold a grudge.
Galen: I don’t. I have no surviving enemies. At all.“I’d far rather be happy than right any day.”
“And are you?”
“No. That’s where it falls down, of course.”–Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy“It’s all in the mind.”–George Harrison
Personally, I have always wondered why HDS didn’t drop a key to the Lexx when Kai hilled him.
He did show us that he had a key after all, so why didn’t it get released and fly to zev when he was killed?
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Originally posted by DML1001:
Personally, I have always wondered why HDS didn’t drop a key to the Lexx when Kai hilled him.He did show us that he had a key after all, so why didn’t it get released and fly to zev when he was killed?
I must’ve missed that, when did HDS reveal he had a key?, if he did you’re quite right about it not being passed on, but maybe transferrence of the Key must be an act of will when in the final moments of death or sexual ecstacy…as the key is supposed to be living in some way, maybe HDS decided to let it die with him.
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SquishyAround 50 minutes into IWHS, when HDS is talking to the two kneeling guards, he says that there is no need to worry because “They (thodin and the heretics) cannot control the Lexx”. At the same time, we see his hand glowing, indicating that he has a key.
Although, watching it a second time, i did notice that the glow is a blueish glow instead of the key’s normal yellow. Perhaps different keys are different colors, or mabye the one that HDS has can’t be passes on…
Personally, I think that it was just due to the fact that when the movies were made, the beans had not planned to have to explain the keys in detail later on, and therefore some of what happens is inconsistent with what we learn later on.
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Originally posted by DML1001:
Personally, I have always wondered why HDS didn’t drop a key to the Lexx when Kai hilled him.
Well true technically Kai killed the body that contained His Divine Shadows essence but that didn’t mean death for HDS. It was simply an escape from the body and key went with it.
-SM
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“Your wrong this is one hell of a planet!”
-ATF agent in “Texx Lexx”We do know here Thodin got his copy of the key:
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You remember Ericko? The only reason million, millions died for that overheated chunk or rock was that two of the Erickans were biocode specialists from the Cluster. They died so that I could be here today. They died so that I could have the Key to the Lexx
There are a number of reasons why HDS didn’t pass on his key when he died: He maybe just died to quickly, the key passes at the point of death, if you die instantly there’s no time. Or perhaps his body was considered already dead; his brain had been removed and he was under the direct control of the insect essence so perhaps his body wasn’t even living at that point?
The brain of HDS was removed and remained on the Cluster. So it remained alive and was safe when HDS left the Cluster to persue the Lexx. In the episode ‘The Key’ which we have just seen here in the UK it was suggested that Stan’s key was stored in his brain.
So perhaps the HDS’s key remained on the Cluster. It would not have been available for HDS to control the Lexx but that would not have been his priority at the time. Or perhaps the key could have moved from the brain to the arm of HDS across space, not limited by normal considerations of distance.
I can imagine Thodin having undergone some kind of meditation practice or mind training that allowed him to pass the key from his brain to another person.
I’m not sure what the chirping cloud/swarm/flock of particles was that occupied HDS’s body. Also what happened to the Divine Predecessors aboard the Lexx?
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Originally posted by Rockham:
I’m not sure what the chirping cloud/swarm/flock of particles was that occupied HDS’s body. Also what happened to the Divine Predecessors aboard the Lexx?
Ok goody I get to use my massive Lexx brain to answer a question, I am very excited today. That cloud thing that His Divine Shadow summoned is still kind of a mystery. Best guess it was the actual insect essence. The real insect personality was kept separate from the human host to prevent any bit of humanity from resisting its will. Oh and as for the Divine Predecessors the rest of them were destroyed when the Giga Shadow came aboard the Lexx in “Giga Shadow” and to quote the Giga Shadow its self “You are no longer needed human vessels of my essence” It is to bad they are no longer around. I can only imagine the trouble they would get the crew into.
-SM
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“Your wrong this is one hell of a planet!”
-ATF agent in “Texx Lexx”
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Originally posted by Rockham:
If the key to the Lexx can only be transferred at the point of death, or maybe orgasm, how is it that Thodin transferred his key to a fellow heretic at will?In the first episode before Thodin meets Kai in battle at the entrance to the Lexx he transfers the key.
Well actually, Thodin was about to die… he knew that it was suicide to face a divine assassin, that’s why he said “My life means nothing in the divine equation”. Maybe by Thodin concentrating on the futile nature of fighting Kai, the key must sensed that he wasn’t going to make it and transferred.
I think that’s quite a sensible explanation, the key thinking it’s host was about to die, was ready to be transferred at the will of the host.
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SquishyThodin expected to die fighting Kai, so the key was able to leave him. Similar to when Stan was falling to Water, or when the Russian guy shot at Xev. Xev didn’t even realize how close she was to death then – but the key knew and left on its own.
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Originally posted by lizard:
Well actually, Thodin was about to die… he knew that it was suicide to face a divine assassin, that’s why he said “My life means nothing in the divine equation”. Maybe by Thodin concentrating on the futile nature of fighting Kai, the key must sensed that he wasn’t going to make it and transferred.
I don’t really buy that theory though because I thought the key had to leave on the very edge of death not the fear of death. Because we all fear we are going to die of something. I don’t think the key would have been a good design if it were very paranoid. I still believe Thodin knew how to transfer at will. Because the fear of dieing is not the same as the actual dieing part its self.
-SM
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“Your wrong this is one hell of a planet!”
-ATF agent in “Texx Lexx”[This message has been edited by Slopmaster (edited August 07, 2001).]
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Originally posted by Slopmaster:
I don’t really buy that theory though because I thought the key had to leave on the very edge of death not the fear of death. …
-SM
I agree that Thodin seemed to be able to transfer the key by an act of will, (spoiler follows) but on the other hand the key fled Xev’s body when she almost got shot(in 4.01 or 4.02 I forget which), and she didn’t even seem to realize that she was in danger of dying. The key realized it though.
The other theory that Thodin, guru-like, has achieved some mastery over the key that Stan does not have also seems reasonable.
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Originally posted by lizard:
I agree that Thodin seemed to be able to transfer the key by an act of will, (spoiler follows) but on the other hand the key fled Xev’s body when she almost got shot(in 4.01 or 4.02 I forget which), and she didn’t even seem to realize that she was in danger of dying. The key realized it though.The other theory that Thodin, guru-like, has achieved some mastery over the key that Stan does not have also seems reasonable.
I think that Thodin may have been able to transfer the key, and HDS was able to retain his key, because both of them knew how the key worked. It’s entirely possible that those with a key to the LEXX were specially trained in how to operate it. Stan and Xev received the key without knowing anything about it, because they were never meant to have it in the first place. They both end up with the key by accident. HDS, knowing everything about the key and how to operate it, may have been able to hold onto the key while dying, which allowed the key to die with him. This would make sense if he didn’t want the LEXX to fall into the wrong hands: it would ensure that no one else could have access to it even if he were to die. Thodin, who would have probably received training in the use of the key, may have learned how to tranfer it at will.
–Aleck
Now I really wonder if the key is on some level is alive. Its very possible beings its bio energy based and if it is part or based off the insect essence then it could very well be alive. I’m not sure it really has any intelligence but rather it has an instinctual desire to stay alive in some host any host.
Also here is another off the wall idea to ponder. Eventually every one in the Dark Zone will die and begin again the next cycle of time. So my question is when the last liveing person in the universe pass’s where will the key go? I allways wondered what would happen if it had no where to go.-SM
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“Your wrong this is one hell of a planet!”
-ATF agent in “Texx Lexx”A piece of His Divine Shadow’s Insect essence may still have the Key.
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“Exterminate!” -Dalek warrior, The Daleks: Episode 4-The Ambush
“Feel the power of the dark Crystal!” -skekTek the Scientist, The Dark Crystal
“I will love you forever!” -drone #790, Lexx 1.1: I Worship His Shadow
Originally posted by Slopmaster:
Now I really wonder if the key is on some level is alive. Its very possible beings its bio energy based and if it is part or based off the insect essence then it could very well be alive. I’m not sure it really has any intelligence but rather it has an instinctual desire to stay alive in some host any host.
Also here is another off the wall idea to ponder. Eventually every one in the Dark Zone will die and begin again the next cycle of time. So my question is when the last liveing person in the universe pass’s where will the key go? I allways wondered what would happen if it had no where to go.-SM
SM,I have been thinking along those lines for sometime now, about the cycle of time. When time begun again, as I think it did during the Lexx crews stasis, then somebody living still had possession of the key.
If the Key were to leave the last person alive in the universe, then it probably would stay on the Lexx, until somebody found it. It may need a host to do as it was created for, it may not need them to live for it to survive.
Maybe the cycle of time could only begin again when all life was extingushed in the universe, and maybe time is some sort of entity or intelligence that oversees the universe, and when it saw that nobody was left it began again, thinking that Stan and Xev were dead, as the stasis made them appear as such.
Maybe Time is dependant on life for some reason, it might be that it could not continue without life, and as a result came to it’s own end and then was reborn.
I just get whackier with every passing minute!!!
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Squishy
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Originally posted by DalekTek790:
A piece of His Divine Shadow’s Insect essence may still have the Key.
Not if, as was determined, the key is physically located in the brain. If HDS’ brain still existed, it may still have the key, but I don’t think that it’s somehow entwined with someone’s essence.
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Originally posted by Squish: SM,I have been thinking along those lines for sometime now, about the cycle of time. When time begun again, as I think it did during the Lexx crews stasis, then somebody living still had possession of the key.
If the Key were to leave the last person alive in the universe, then it probably would stay on the Lexx, until somebody found it. It may need a host to do as it was created for, it may not need them to live for it to survive.
Maybe the cycle of time could only begin again when all life was extingushed in the universe, and maybe time is some sort of entity or intelligence that oversees the universe, and when it saw that nobody was left it began again, thinking that Stan and Xev were dead, as the stasis made them appear as such.
Maybe Time is dependant on life for some reason, it might be that it could not continue without life, and as a result came to it’s own end and then was reborn.
I just get whackier with every passing minute!!!
Squishy
Hmmm well remember the Lexx is alive to so if it dies the key is again homeless. Maybe like all energy in the universe it will simply just be absorbed into the rebirth of the universe.
-SM
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“Your wrong this is one hell of a planet!”
-ATF agent in “Texx Lexx”If the key is in the brain, how come the Brains were able to use Stan’s hand to control the Lexx in Supernova?
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Originally posted by Cat:
If the key is in the brain, how come the Brains were able to use Stan’s hand to control the Lexx in Supernova?
Sloppy writing.
I’d forgotten about that, but it *was* said in a later episode that the key was located in a portion of the brain. At any rate, whether it’s the hand or the brain, the key has pretty much always been described as having a physical location, rather than being tied up with a person’s essence. I mean, if it was bundled with HDS’ essence (or what was left of it by the beginning of Season 2, anyway), as has been implied, why didn’t Mantrid have a key?–Aleck
The Key behaves like a symbiotic organism. It appears to be essentially a piece of Insect-type essence, only it is under the partial command of the host and is not self-aware. Its home is in the brain, but it can extend pseudopods of energy to any point in the host’s body. Like any mobile symbiont, it will abandon its host if it knows it is in danger of immediate death. If part of the organism’s body containing a pseudopod is removed too fast for it to react, a piece of the Key will be taken with the tissue as a separate organism, but will want to rejoin with the original Key. Does that answer everybody’s questions?
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Lee P. Sherman, code name DalekTek790
Whovian, Froudian, Lexxian, etc.
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Originally posted by DalekTek790:
Does that answer everybody’s questions?
Well no one but the beans them selves can answer this question for once and all. You however do offer some more interesting speculation.
-SM
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“Your wrong this is one hell of a planet!”
-ATF agent in “Texx Lexx”Thank you DalekTek.
Hi, I just got back from vacation. Which sucked since the drive made me miss an episode of lexx, but in my opinion, the key belonging to hds must be dead. I believe kai mentioned that the key was a living thing at some point, mabye not. But if hds could make the key travel with his essence then it probably ended up on the gigashadow and was discombobulated with hom when he hit the fractal core. Then again, mabye hds’s key was different than the heretic key and had slightly different critetia for transfer. ’cause I think hds wanted to keep the key to himself and his descendants. Plus it was a different color!
I apologise if I misspelled discombobulated.
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