Time Prophet…The First Assassin?
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Here’s a wacky theory, maybe the Time prophet was the first assassin from the first cycle of time and has lived through each one like one long Groundhog Day, unable to go mad as she is unable to go mad.
Then through each cycle she just about saves herself with finding Protoblood, but she ages slightly without Protoblood or the body starts to decay slightly, maybe that is why she is looking for Protoblood in Walpurgis night, and she know’s what’s going too happen so she will get it.
And through each cycle she gives the same advice to Kai and his Shadow so that the cycle of time can continue and extends her existence into the next cycle.
So it would be remarkable to find out that the supposed good prophet is responsible for all the evil to come.
Squishy [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]I was wondering the same thing recently. That close-up of the “real” vamire in the cryo-sleep chamber at the end of “Walpurgis Night”. The photograph with the hint of the pointy-hat person in the tower. Both made me think of the Time Prophet. But I figured it was too far-fetched and none of you guys would buy the idea.
But even so, I somehow doubt the idea that the “vampire” in cryostasis is the Time Prophet. However, she is certainly the “assassin’s assassin” the Kai mentioned.
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Originally posted by Flamegrape:
I was wondering the same thing recently. That close-up of the “real” vamire in the cryo-sleep chamber at the end of “Walpurgis Night”. The photograph with the hint of the pointy-hat person in the tower. Both made me think of the Time Prophet. But I figured it was too far-fetched and none of you guys would buy the idea.But even so, I somehow doubt the idea that the “vampire” in cryostasis is the Time Prophet. However, she is certainly the “assassin’s assassin” the Kai mentioned.
I buy the idea Flamegrape, you theories are always good un’s [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img], well you’ve only got three more days to wait before you find out!!!
It still could be the Time Prophet, many people on the Lexx ng believe it to be her, so are theories might be right.
I don’t know what it is, but this whole predicting a theory thing has got me so engrossed, it’s like telling yourself that if you’re right you suddenly become a genius…when the truth is (for me) that I will remain the silly bloke who believes he’s a baby cluster lizard!!!
Ah, but it’s all good fun, and stuff the theories, I’ve met some great people here and that’s all that matters to me.
SquishyWell Squsih its interesting you would mention the time profit being an assassin. I just had a thought about “I worship his shadow” Kai died at the hands of His Shadow and we know from “Giga Shadow” that His Shadow visited the time profit after destroying Brunnis. So maybe some how he killed her as well turning her into an assassin. The time line is about right for her going to earth. Now as for her existing for thousands of years maybe proto blood played a part. Anyway great post as allways.
-SM
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Originally posted by Slopmaster:
Well Squsih its interesting you would mention the time profit being an assassin. I just had a thought about “I worship his shadow” Kai died at the hands of His Shadow and we know from “Giga Shadow” that His Shadow visited the time profit after destroying Brunnis. So maybe some how he killed her as well turning her into an assassin. The time line is about right for her going to earth. Now as for her existing for thousands of years maybe proto blood played a part. Anyway great post as allways.-SM
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The one thing that struck me as odd, was the time prophets ease of talking to HDS, maybe they had a partnership, or maybe she is not biased towards anyone including HDS.
I think the time prophet (like HDS) would need to appear peaceful and supportive of mankind.
But the first assassin thing was that the time prophet hadn’t been reborn in each cycle, she became an assassin in the first (or maybe later cycles) and then ensured through her first existence that her rebirth didn’t happen again, so there would only be one of her through all the cycles of time.
Also, she may have changed the cycles of time to suit her, and then from that point onwards time would play out in the way she wanted.
If this were to be true, then the cycles before may have been different, i.e no Lexx and no HDS.
She did seem geniunely horrified that mankind would end when speaking to HDS, however she may be trying hide from HDS who she truly is, as if what I suggest were true, she would be more powerful than the first shadow that created her, in fact more powerful than all the divine shadows put together.
As for Kai, she knew what would happen as she set the wheels in motion many cycles before, and only she could change what happens in these cycles, as she is the only one aware of them.
But she would need to ensure that in each cycle Kai was killed, as he is like her and could continue to the next cycle, and eventually learn of the truth.
Another wild and wacky theory!!!
Squishy“The Divine Order commanded greater hunters than the divine assassins. Sometimes, an assassin would malfunction so His Shadow developed a special breed of super-assassins designed to hunt down and destroy those who, like me, failed to serve his purposes.”
This was spoken by Kai, just before Xev went bye-bye into the wall. Now, why would the Time Prophet be pegged for such a role, especially with her being outside time and all, if there were apparently a whole “breed” of these special assassins to be commanded? Yes, those did look like her lips, but perhaps it was just the actress doing a double gig, maybe? Y’know, low on cash? [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
Cool theory Squish! You can eat my brain now – it has become obsolete. [img]images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img] Like you, I get a kick out of speculating what might happen next – even if I consistently prove myself to be a flibbertigibbet and a fool! [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
I’m leaning towards the idea that, like so many others, the actress who played the time prophet is now playing another character.
But here’s what I’ve been wondering this week: the cold critter in cryo seemed to be shriveled and very weak, so is the coneheaded vamp somebody else? If it’s the same person, then something must happen early in this episode to revive her. But what? Gaaaa! I can’t wait til Friday!
Kai isn’t much of an Assassin. I don’t think so anyways….
He gets cut in half….
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A Real Trained Assassin would be like Kai was in ‘Wake the Dead’….
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This outfit is bloody awful…
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The only good thing he’s done….
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Originally posted by BlackCloud:
“The Divine Order commanded greater hunters than the divine assassins. Sometimes, an assassin would malfunction so His Shadow developed a special breed of super-assassins designed to hunt down and destroy those who, like me, failed to serve his purposes.”This was spoken by Kai, just before Xev went bye-bye into the wall. Now, why would the Time Prophet be pegged for such a role, especially with her being outside time and all, if there were apparently a whole “breed” of these special assassins to be commanded? Yes, those did look like her lips, but perhaps it was just the actress doing a double gig, maybe? Y’know, low on cash? [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
I would agree with you on them just using the actress again for another role, but it makes no difference to my theory if she was a super-assassin, besides I think Kai is speculating on who she is, I get the feeling he doesn’t know for sure.
Now obviously in the theory I’ve stated, she wouldn’t have begun life as the Time Prophet, but decided to fool everyone into believing she was this prophet to a:remain undetected as to who she really is b:to influence events in her favour.
In order for the assassin/time prophet to continue her existence she needed to do certain things at certain points in time to ensure the events played out to continue existence through the cycles of time.
Anyway, like I said it’s pure theory and has no basis in fact, just a little bit of fantasy, personally I would love to see this scenario pan out, but it’s doubtful in the extreme that this will be the case.
Squishy [img]images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img]quote:
Originally posted by Aurora:
Cool theory Squish! You can eat my brain now – it has become obsolete. [img]images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img] Like you, I get a kick out of speculating what might happen next – even if I consistently prove myself to be a flibbertigibbet and a fool! [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]I’m leaning towards the idea that, like so many others, the actress who played the time prophet is now playing another character.
But here’s what I’ve been wondering this week: the cold critter in cryo seemed to be shriveled and very weak, so is the coneheaded vamp somebody else? If it’s the same person, then something must happen early in this episode to revive her. But what? Gaaaa! I can’t wait til Friday!
Aurora, if you don’t want your brain then I will gladly have it for a nice sunday roast, with some father beans and a nice chianti!!!(making silly noise like Hannibal Lecter).
I know that many characters have been used time and again, but the Time Prophet seems to recognizable to be used as anyone else other than the time prophet.
Blackcloud stated that she outside of time, I don’t recall that being said, I do remember her saying she could only see glimpses of the future and the past, leading me to believe she was human and has a fallible memory, she may appear to be not what she seems.
Squishyquote:
Originally posted by Squishi:
Aurora, if you don’t want your brain then I will gladly have it for a nice sunday roast, with some father beans and a nice chianti!!!(making silly noise like Hannibal Lecter).
I know that many characters have been used time and again, but the Time Prophet seems to recognizable to be used as anyone else other than the time prophet.
Blackcloud stated that she outside of time, I don’t recall that being said, I do remember her saying she could only see glimpses of the future and the past, leading me to believe she was human and has a fallible memory, she may appear to be not what she seems.
Squishy
Bon appetit! Be sure to baste – it’s bound to be pretty dried out. [img]images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img]
re the time prophet: seems like she always qualifies her statements by saying she sees “not very clearly, mind you…” so she has limitations – like you said.
Hmmmm. Train of thought here… time prophet told HDS that she should, but could not see beyond the end of the Divine Order, but that she feared the destruction of all humankind. Does that mean she could sort of see the destruction of the Light Universe, but she could not see into the Dark Zone, where a vestige of the Divine Order still lurks?
I kinda get a deja-vu on your whole theory. Probably just mental backwash. [img]images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by Aurora:
Bon appetit! Be sure to baste – it’s bound to be pretty dried out. [img]images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img]
re the time prophet: seems like she always qualifies her statements by saying she sees “not very clearly, mind you…” so she has limitations – like you said.
Hmmmm. Train of thought here… time prophet told HDS that she should, but could not see beyond the end of the Divine Order, but that she feared the destruction of all humankind. Does that mean she could sort of see the destruction of the Light Universe, but she could not see into the Dark Zone, where a vestige of the Divine Order still lurks?
I kinda get a deja-vu on your whole theory. Probably just mental backwash. [img]images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img]
Maybe she could not see an end to the Divine Order, as she is the Divine Order, maybe she is responsible for ensuring the order becomes what it is.
I still have a sneaky feeling that the universes don’t limit her, if she has been around through all or most of the cycles of time, then she would know about the dark zone as well as the light universe.
My personal view is that all life was extinguished from both universes before they got to time and water, and that prompted time to begin billions of years earlier than expected, and whatever force caused it too happen didn’t realise that Stan and Xev were still alive as they may have fooled this unseen force into believing they were dead while in stasis.
The Time Prophet may have chosen to omit certain knowledge of future events from HDS, so that her plan of events would be played out in the precise way they had in the previous cycles.
Again, this is just a fun theory, I don’t believe any of it will truly happen in the series, as Mr D has a more sensible imagination than I!!!
SquishyBon appetit! Be sure to baste – it’s bound to be pretty dried out.
Aurora, a brains a brain, dry or not it will still be yummy with roast potatoes, peas, cabbage, roast parsnip and gravy, but definitely no carrots (Squishy says while licking his fangs)!!!
Squishy with napkin on. [img]images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img]quote:
Originally posted by Squishi:
Maybe she could not see an end to the Divine Order, as she is the Divine Order, maybe she is responsible for ensuring the order becomes what it is.
I still have a sneaky feeling that the universes don’t limit her, if she has been around through all or most of the cycles of time, then she would know about the dark zone as well as the light universe.
My personal view is that all life was extinguished from both universes before they got to time and water, and that prompted time to begin billions of years earlier than expected, and whatever force caused it too happen didn’t realise that Stan and Xev were still alive as they may have fooled this unseen force into believing they were dead while in stasis.
The Time Prophet may have chosen to omit certain knowledge of future events from HDS, so that her plan of events would be played out in the precise way they had in the previous cycles.
Again, this is just a fun theory, I don’t believe any of it will truly happen in the series, as Mr D has a more sensible imagination than I!!!
Squishy
Ah – I think I begin to understand now. Clever lizard (pat pat). When other actors have reappeared as new characters, the new & old characters have been connected, even if it’s just that the crew recognizes them. So – the person in the cryopod in the castle should turn out to be either the Time Prophet, or at least connected to the Time Prophet. Aurora is too diffuse to focus more.
“Yech, too salty” “We are all salty, moldy”
The Time prophet said she couldn’t see beyond the Gigashadow,but the universe did go on. So did she really not know, or was she hiding somthing?
The actor in scifi’s trailer didn’t look like the woman in the cryotube,not shriveled or old so maybe protoblood has some reverse aging property.
“Introducing protoblood, the new skin creme from Clinique”
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Originally posted by Hypatia:
The actor in scifi’s trailer didn’t look like the woman in the cryotube,not shriveled or old so maybe protoblood has some reverse aging property.
Or, maybe the pointy-haired vamp is not the same as the prune in cryo. Father Borscht said the “master” could make slaves, and that he mistook Kai for one of those slaves. Maybe the conehead in the preview is one of those slaves, and the “master” is in cryo.
BTW, I like how they’ve made use of the shape of the cryotubes, like the shape of those classic horror film coffins.
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Originally posted by Hypatia:
“Yech, too salty” “We are all salty, moldy”The Time prophet said she couldn’t see beyond the Gigashadow,but the universe did go on. So did she really not know, or was she hiding somthing?
The actor in scifi’s trailer didn’t look like the woman in the cryotube,not shriveled or old so maybe protoblood has some reverse aging property.
“Introducing protoblood, the new skin creme from Clinique”
Ahh, interesting, fascinating, hmmm Brains yummy.
Protoblood seems to do more than just revive dead assassins, in IWHS it revived the Divine Clerics, now that seems odd in the respect that Kai and nano technology in him, why would he have this if protoblood could revive anyone?
Anyway one drop of the blood rejuvenated
the dead clerics, if a small drop of it can do that, it may be possible for it to restore a body that has long gone without it, she may have aged in the cryopod in the future, the body may be dead but with being around for some time may have still aged her.
Anyway, Protoblood could be an elixir for life and has the ability to make dead cells live, reversing the effect of ageing or natural decay.
Squishy
oooh the silly cluster lizards on a roll now!!!
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Originally posted by Hypatia:
[QBThe actor in scifi’s trailer didn’t look like the woman in the cryotube,not shriveled or old so maybe protoblood has some reverse aging property.“Introducing protoblood, the new skin creme from Clinique”[/QB]
That’s true. I like your theory best of all. Maybe this “vampire” lady has nothing to do with the Time Prophet. Maybe we’re all cracked for trying to guess that the Time Prophet will show up again this season. [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by Aurora:
Or, maybe the pointy-haired vamp is not the same as the prune in cryo. Father Borscht said the “master” could make slaves, and that he mistook Kai for one of those slaves. Maybe the conehead in the preview is one of those slaves, and the “master” is in cryo.
BTW, I like how they’ve made use of the shape of the cryotubes, like the shape of those classic horror film coffins.
It could be that the conehead is the same person in the painting, and that person could be a Bio-vizier of sorts, responsible for ensuring the person in the cryochamber is given the life essence she needs.
It may turn out that the person in the chamber can go a long time without protoblood (Kai failed without the blood and was revived by that lovely adorable cluster lizard sometime after appearing like he had gone for good), maybe the conhead is a bio-vizier who get’s blood and turns it into protoblood when the person in the cryopod requires it.
Like Dracula, the super assassin can survive a certain amount of time without the blood, and I think we’ve guessed that the vampire part is a ruse to disguise the true reason for the taking of blood.
No one can know about the super-assassin as it would upset her plans if the world knew of her and her technology.
Squishy [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]quote:
Originally posted by Flamegrape:
That’s true. I like your theory best of all. Maybe this “vampire” lady has nothing to do with the Time Prophet. Maybe we’re all cracked for trying to guess that the Time Prophet will show up again this season. [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]
Flamegrape, we are not really suggesting that it is the time prophet, just what an interesting storyline it would make.
There are so many things to spark your imagination in Lexx and this is one of them, I like the Time Prophet idea, because it could actually work, and would make for good Sci-fi if it turned out that the person you least expected was behind everything that happened.
Just a bit harmless theorizing, that’s all.
Squishy [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]It could be that the conehead is the same person in the painting, and that person could be a Bio-vizier of sorts, responsible for ensuring the person in the cryochamber is given the life essence she needs.
It may turn out that the person in the chamber can go a long time without protoblood (Kai failed without the blood and was revived by that lovely adorable cluster lizard sometime after appearing like he had gone for good), maybe the conhead is a bio-vizier who get’s blood and turns it into protoblood when the person in the cryopod requires it.SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER[/B]
In the trailer on scifi’s site theres a clip from the next ep. It shows the cone head woman ‘draining the protoblood’ out of Kai using some sort of tentacle.
Anyways, whatever we theorize, the Beans will come up with somthing way wierder.
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Originally posted by Squishi:
Ahh, interesting, fascinating, hmmm Brains yummy.
Protoblood seems to do more than just revive dead assassins, in IWHS it revived the Divine Clerics, now that seems odd in the respect that Kai and nano technology in him, why would he have this if protoblood could revive anyone?
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I puzzled over that too, plus I wondered why Yottskry still had emotion, motivation, and will when he was revived. I came to the conclusion that it’s because Kai was decarbonized and programmed. Protoblood activates him, or rather, what’s left of him. Nanites are like his operating system, replacing his body’s organic systems. Yottskry, being freshly dead and still in possession of his complete organics & brain, was more completely revived by the protoblood. Maybe.
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Originally posted by Hypatia:
SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER[/B]In the trailer on scifi’s site theres a clip from the next ep. It shows the cone head woman ‘draining the protoblood’ out of Kai using some sort of tentacle.
NOOOOOooooooo! Where’s she at? I’m gonna kick her butt!
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Originally posted by Squishi:
Flamegrape, we are not really suggesting that it is the time prophet, just what an interesting storyline it would make.
There are so many things to spark your imagination in Lexx and this is one of them, I like the Time Prophet idea, because it could actually work, and would make for good Sci-fi if it turned out that the person you least expected was behind everything that happened.
Just a bit harmless theorizing, that’s all.
Squishy [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
It certainly would make an interesting storyline! I’m ready for anything! [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by Aurora:
NOOOOOooooooo! Where’s she at? I’m gonna kick her butt!
I second that.
If Kai only lacks motivation ’cause he’s been programmed not to, think of all the things he could be programmed to do.
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Originally posted by Aurora:
I puzzled over that too, plus I wondered why Yottskry still had emotion, motivation, and will when he was revived. I came to the conclusion that it’s because Kai was decarbonized and programmed. Protoblood activates him, or rather, what’s left of him. Nanites are like his operating system, replacing his body’s organic systems. Yottskry, being freshly dead and still in possession of his complete organics & brain, was more completely revived by the protoblood. Maybe.
I think that’s spot on, it seems that protoblood can revive anything living or dead
tissue and even microscopic robots benefit from protoblood.
Here’s an interesting for you to chew on, maybe protoblood is kinda like the waste product that the Gigashadow expelled after eating human flesh.
Now if that were the case, the conehead may have devised a similar method from the taking of blood, and has the ability to make a very raw type of protoblood, it could be said that the Gigashadow was able to produce perfect Protoblood, whereas the conehead can only produce a deritive of protoblood, hence why the assassin doesn’t look that well.
It makes it more interesting because pattern (Eating Pattern) seemed to be similar to protoblood, they had to use clean humans to produce the best pattern.
Now the parasite queen may have been an insect of some kind, and she needed pattern like the gigashadow needed human flesh, kinda similar isn’t it???
SquishyBut, of course, being a super-assassin they would probably have greater staying power than the run-of-the-mill, floor model assassins, like Kai. So, maybe just staying in the cryopod is all the shriveled being needed to last so long. After all, we don’t really know how much protoblood she “fell to earth” with and she did seem cheesed when her weird sisters woke her up just to tell her that they had replaced Renfield, that is, until she tasted that protoblood. So, my bet is that she’s going to kick Kai’s every so gorgeous butt this Friday, somehow, and suck his blood ala Master. I’m just worried that Paul’s gonna wipe out the whole cast and then blow up the planet into the bargain, just to get out of doing any more episodes. Man, you can tell he’s not the product of capitalistic upbringing or he’d be milking our Lexx madness for every drop! (and, I think there’s a lotta buckets left [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] Oh, baby, is it 7:30am already? Time for bed! Adios muchachos!)
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Yes, or perhaps it’s like some kind of honey or royal jelly used to sustain the little eggies(larvae?) that were attached to it’s underbelly. Whatever it is, it’s obviously restorative/preservative/supervitalizing stuff. And, as we saw in “Vlad” the Time Prophet was indeed involved. Unfortunately, not in a good way. That slattern killed her! [img]images/smiles/icon_sad.gif[/img] (I met her at UnCon, she seemed so much sweeter then) Vlad kicked my poor dead man’s arse so badly, I know the dead felt that! [img]images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img] Whupped him like he owed her money [b]and[/b] a bag of chips. But, I’m glad she wasn’t the Time Prophet; I kinda liked to think of the TP as a more neutral character (though, now she’s a more dead character, or is she? cycles of time and all that [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]).
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Originally posted by BlackCloud:
[b]SPOILER![/b]Yes, or perhaps it’s like some kind of honey or royal jelly used to sustain the little eggies(larvae?) that were attached to it’s underbelly. Whatever it is, it’s obviously restorative/preservative/supervitalizing stuff. And, as we saw in “Vlad” the Time Prophet was indeed involved. Unfortunately, not in a good way. That slattern killed her! [img]images/smiles/icon_sad.gif[/img] (I met her at UnCon, she seemed so much sweeter then) Vlad kicked my poor dead man’s arse so badly, I know the dead felt that! [img]images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img] Whupped him like he owed her money [b]and[/b] a bag of chips. But, I’m glad she wasn’t the Time Prophet; I kinda liked to think of the TP as a more neutral character (though, now she’s a more dead character, or is she? cycles of time and all that [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]).
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Heh, just had another whacky thought, maybe Vlad is still the time prophet, I mentioned before that the assassin would have to kill itself in every cycle to ensure that there was only one of her running about.
I heard that the actress who play’s the time prophet is the same as one who play’s Vlad, so Vlad kills the time prophet so that she can become the prophet later on and the cycle’s continue the same way.
Who know’s, as usual this is going out on a limb, but would be an effective way of making sure that only one of her exists in each cycle.
Squishy[img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by BlackCloud:
[b]SPOILER![/b]Vlad kicked my poor dead man’s arse so badly, I know the dead felt that! [img]images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img] Whupped him like he owed her money [b]and[/b] a bag of chips. But, I’m glad she wasn’t the Time Prophet; I kinda liked to think of the TP as a more neutral character (though, now she’s a more dead character, or is she? cycles of time and all that [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]).
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rofl…like he owed her money and a bag of chips?! oh blackie, perhaps kai took her haagen daz too? that protoblood looked like mocha something or other to me [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] and doesn’t our girl have some nasty table manners [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
It was very disturbing to see Kai at Vlad’s mercy like that (and strangely exciting to see him brought to his knees). [img]images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img] I give up trying to understand these time prophet theories. Being brainless, I haven’t got a chance. [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by Aurora:
It was very disturbing to see Kai at Vlad’s mercy like that (and strangely exciting to see him brought to his knees). [img]images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img] I give up trying to understand these time prophet theories. Being brainless, I haven’t got a chance. [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
No Brain Aurora, Squishy not like you anymore!!! [img]images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img]
Squishyquote:
Originally posted by Aurora:
It was very disturbing to see Kai at Vlad’s mercy like that (and strangely exciting to see him brought to his knees). Being brainless, I haven’t got a chance. [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
funny, i seem to have been rendered quite brainless as well( i mean even more so than usual)…must have been the ‘strangely exciting’ visuals last night [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
Just reading Hypatia’s update, and noticed a little thing that again suggests that the assassin might be trying to ensure that the events in the cycle of time are continued.
“My killing you will not just be an act of vengance, it will be an act of necessity” he says. “You’re sounding very motivated for a Divine Assasian”
Act of neccessity, why, maybe because she needs that too happen for events to play out as pre-determined in the previous cycles.
Funny thing is, is that a super-assassin should have even less of a motivational imperative than Kai, I mean Kai did his job, but wasn’t motivated to do it, HDS just simply would give him target and Kai would kill them, HDS never said ‘there’s an extra pint of Protoblood in it for you, if make them do a silly dance before you kill them’, so why does Vlad seem so motivated to kill Kai.
Maybe she has her own personal agenda, killed TP without permission from HDS perhaps, and no longer follows the objectives laid down by the order.
The ‘necessity’ part is interesting, it couldn’t be a necessity for the purpose of fulfilling the Divine order’s wishes, as they are no longer (at least in this period of time), so why would it become a neccessity???
Squishy
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Originally posted by Squishi:
The ‘necessity’ part is interesting, it couldn’t be a necessity for the purpose of fulfilling the Divine order’s wishes, as they are no longer (at least in this period of time), so why would it become a neccessity???
Squishy
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vlad doesn’t know the divine order is gone, kai tells her that, and that he killed hds…remember, she’s been cryopodded for a while now, and has not kept up on current events…
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spoiler to a spoiler [img]images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img]
vlad doesn’t know the divine order is gone, kai tells her that, and that he killed hds…remember, she’s been cryopodded for a while now, and has not kept up on current events…
Might have missed it in Hypatia’s post, but did Kai tell her before or after she made that statement???
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[QB]It was very disturbing to see Kai at Vlad’s mercy like that (and strangely exciting to see him brought to his knees). /QB]
That was wierd, I felt that too. Maybe it was ’cause he looked so vulnerable?
The spoiler is finished, Squishy.
It seemed clear to me that executioners were programmed differently from assassins. Vlad seemed to have a far greater degree of self-awareness than Kai did before regaining his memories, and for her killing Kai seemed to be an act not just of necessity but quite… um, gratifying for her. She had hungers. And yet it was Kai’s “motivation” that surprised her a bit, rather than the other way around.
It was never stated directly, but I got the impression that Vlad was sent by His Divine Shadow to kill Kai sometime between Lexx originally fleeing the Light Universe and His Shadow’s death. So killing Kai is her primary objective and killing humanity is just a little thing she does on the side [img]images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img]
And Kai knew it. Consider that he knew not just what, but who she was, by name, before he ever laid eyes on her. He asked how she knew to find him on Earth and that’s when she makes her mention of the Time Prophet telling her he would be there before killing the Time Prophet… (Some thoughts are swirling around my head about the Time Prophet’s being able to see Kai on Earth, but inability to see past the Giga Shadow, but they’re not forming anything coherent.) I believe Kai knew exactly what she was and why she was there from his absorbed memories from His Shadow. He spent most of his time with her trying, and failing rather miserably, not to have his ass kicked by her, but I was struck by the fact that he didn’t seem surprised by her behavior: by the fact that she was not mindless but rather sadistic.
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That was wierd, I felt that too. Maybe it was ’cause he looked so vulnerable?
The spoiler is finished, Squishy.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Hypatia:
[QB]That was wierd, I felt that too. Maybe it was ’cause he looked so vulnerable?
The duel between Kai and Vlad had a pretty high degee of sexual innuendo–of course Paul and Lex did indicate in the chat that the difference between sex and violence wasn’t totally clear to them
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Hmm, maybe I’d better watch it again to make sure I wasn’t making that up…….
[img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]This is my first posting here and I apologize in advance if I screwed up on the gremlins or anything else (I am easily confused).
Hi Elmay
Was (is) Vlad some sort of insect? She didn’t seem suprised when Kai mentioned that hds was one? Just suprised he was dead. And she wanted to destroy “the human race that pollutes this sphere”.
Vlad not only had motivation, she could do things without HDS’ permission. Like destroy humanity, or was that why she was sent to Earth?
But she must’ve left the light universe in the 2008 years from when Kai was killed and Kai killed HDS.
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Hi ElmayWas (is) Vlad some sort of insect? She didn’t seem suprised when Kai mentioned that hds was one? Just suprised he was dead. And she wanted to destroy “the human race that pollutes this sphere”.
Vlad not only had motivation, she could do things without HDS’ permission. Like destroy humanity, or was that why she was sent to Earth?
But she must’ve left the light universe in the 2008 years from when Kai was killed and Kai killed HDS.
Maybe, there were only a few super-assassins, and those that were, received some of HDS’s essence, it’s hard to imagine that the human body could actually house an insect, but you never know.
Thing is about her destroying Earth, is that she could have done it along time ago, there is nothing on Earth that could stop Kai, let alone her. But it might be due to lack of Protoblood that stopped her, I think she still needs Earth and humanity and she won’t destroy her just yet.
What I don’t understand is why HDS needed these assassins, I mean Kai was a fluke and only gained his memories through the divine predecessors.
The chances of another assassin coming into contact with the predeccessors would be very remote, and I just can’t see them regaining their memories by themselves.
I don’t think even HDS would have foresaw the event that led to Kai becoming a rogue assassin, seems to have been unecessary for HDS to create a super-assassin, so why did he.
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I don’t think even HDS would have foresaw the event that led to Kai becoming a rogue assassin, seems to have been unecessary for HDS to create a super-assassin, so why did he.
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the prophecy…
Yeah, but Kai said somthing about “Those assasains like me”
I think that Vlad might have some sort of insect essence, or is an insect somhow.
Especially if the story is going full circle, insects make sense.
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the prophecy…
Oh yeah forgot about that annoying prophecy, back to wreck my thories.
So there wasn’t like thousands of these super duper killing machines around, if there was only one Vlad, then giving her some insect essence wouldn’t have been a problem for him.
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Yeah, but Kai said somthing about “Those assasains like me”I think that Vlad might have some sort of insect essence, or is an insect somhow.
Especially if the story is going full circle, insects make sense.
So Kai is saying that he was not the only one to get his memories back, I guess the first attempts at making assassins could have gone awry, and they simply got their memories back because the Bio-Viziers couldn’t make assassins that well at that time.
I’m leaning towards a no on the insect essence, mainly because HDS’s hosts could live under the influence of the essence and didn’t require protoblood, if Vlad had essence then the same should be true.
Still, there could an insect in Vlad, the tiny sattelite worms in Eating Pattern could control someone, so it still could be an insect at large.
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OK, I’m trying to write between quotes here and only hope it works:
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[QB]Maybe, there were only a few super-assassins, and those that were, received some of HDS’s essence, it’s hard to imagine that the human body could actually house an insect, but you never know.
I think there were only a few of the super assassins or divine executioners. And they may not have originally been dead humans the way the divine assassins were–it looked almost like they came out of a breeding chamber.
quote[quote]Thing is about her destroying Earth, is that she could have done it along time ago, there is nothing on Earth that could stop Kai, let alone her. But it might be due to lack of Protoblood that stopped her, I think she still needs Earth and humanity and she won’t destroy her just yet.[/quote]
I got the impression that her purpose for going to Earth was specificallly to kill Kai and then to destroy humanity. She couldn’t really destroy the planet until the wait for Kai was over.
As uberfrosch mentioned in her mail,Vlad must have been ordered to go after Kai between IWHS and Gigashadow when the Lexx was first in the Dark Universe.
The Time Prophet either didn’t know or didn’t tell her that it would take Kai 4,000 years to reach the Earth. Or maybe she didn’t ask! So she was stuck in her cryopod conserving her protoblood much longer than expected.
And I also agree with uberfrosch that the destruction of humanity , though originally also ordered by HDS, became moreof a sadistic pleasure than an absolute necessity once she found out HDS was dead. ButVlad has to destroy Kai not just because she is ordered to do so but because that is her nature, her thirst for protoblood can never be satiated.quote:
What I don’t understand is why HDS needed these assassins, I mean Kai was a fluke and only gained his memories through the divine predecessors.
Don’t you think other Divine Assassins might have run amok because of mechanical problems? They wouldn’t have to regain their memories, they would just be unstoppable killing machines. Anyway, the idea of the Divine Executioners is such a cool one, I’m willing to suspend disbelief here.
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There’s a lot of stuff in this episode, it’s hard to get all of it the first time around , especially when you’re busy watching Kai ‘s face being licked (ahem, excuse me….)
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And what a great villain!
ElmeyI think there were only a few of the super assassins or divine executioners. And they may not have originally been dead humans the way the divine assassins were–it looked almost like they came out of a breeding chamber.
*Squish: I haven’t seen any of the new season so I’m going by what other’s have told me, but I don’t remember anyone mentioning flashbacks to the cluster, how do you know about the breeding chambers?
I know in IWHS, Kai was housed in like a huge morgue of assassins, but I don’t think we ever got to see where the Divine executioners were held.I got the impression that her purpose for going to Earth was specificallly to kill Kai and then to destroy humanity. She couldn’t really destroy the planet until the wait for Kai was over.
As uberfrosch mentioned in her mail,Vlad must have been ordered to go after Kai between IWHS and Gigashadow when the Lexx was first in the Dark Universe.
The Time Prophet either didn’t know or didn’t tell her that it would take Kai 4,000 years to reach the Earth. Or maybe she didn’t ask! So she was stuck in her cryopod conserving her protoblood much longer than expected.
And I also agree with uberfrosch that the destruction of humanity , though originally also ordered by HDS, became moreof a sadistic pleasure than an absolute necessity once she found out HDS was dead. ButVlad has to destroy Kai not just because she is ordered to do so but because that is her nature, her thirst for protoblood can never be satiated.*Squish: I have a little theory that the cycle of time has begun again (before Fire and Water), now if she didn’t know whether Kai would arrive or not, then she would have carried out her second objective…destroying Earth, the time prophet must have told her when Kai was to arrive, as otherwise she could have waited an eternity not knowing if Kai would ever arrive (but she knew he would eventually), she would have to cut her losses when her Protoblood became low and destroyed humanity.
She doesn’t appear to follow her programming to the letter, so maybe she wasn’t dependent on Kai’s arrival as much as we think.
But if the cycle of time is correct, then Earth would still have to be about, even after she got rid of Kai, she may choose to enslave the planet, but destroying it would upset the cycle of time, unless some humans escaped the planet.Don’t you think other Divine Assassins might have run amok because of mechanical problems? They wouldn’t have to regain their memories, they would just be unstoppable killing machines. Anyway, the idea of the Divine Executioners is such a cool one, I’m willing to suspend disbelief here.
*Squish:I did actually say that the first assassins may not have functioned properly, so there would have been a need for a higher force to keep them in check, what I was trying to say is, that it is unlikely other assassins would go the same way as Kai.
I doubt that mechanical failure would have resulted in a killing spree, in that instance they probably would have had problems with their motor functions (like Kai did on Fire), they still had a brain though and maybe the Bio-Viziers were not able to supress all their memories, maybe that’s why HDS took their memories, because the Bio-Viziers could not overcome that problem.
Squishy
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