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3rd April 2005 at 4:59 pm in reply to: Effects of the end of season cliff-hanger (SPOILERS) #74478
I’m still stuck on the fact of the history/myth angle, in light of computers. To me, it seems the record keeping history would be totally different in that respect, compared to ours presently, involving relying on books. But of course, the original settlers could have chosen to keep past information on a low-tech course, to protect the future interests of the colonies.
The thirteenth Lord of Kobol idea totally escaped me. Is there anywhere that someone has written down the entire Kobol mythology, so I could get up to speed on what the colonials believe? Or is it just a make the “details” up as you go along situation?
And how did Roselin have those dreams with Leo when they had never met? Moreover why was it human soldiers chasing her down in her dream and her only ally was a cylon?
I believe it was a prophetic dream, showing her on Kobol, with Leo having a message to give her – about her being the one finding Earth through Kobol, by way of believing his words related through Starbuck; with the human soldiers in the dream being the ones coming to arrest her in Kobol’s Last Gleaming 2.
Well, I’ve been a Sci-fi fan since the mid 60s. And whether some think of this as just a “remake” or not (I think the original BSG just plain sucked, after the first episode), I think the show taken as a whole is a masterpiece. I’ve literally never seen a show of this intensity, with such an intriguing plot line.
In my opinion, the new BSG IS the best Sci-fi series I’ve ever seen. I’ve watched every episode three times – every time it repeats on Sci-fi channel. It has purpose and direction. And I too find myself wondering sometimes, if the humans are really the bad guys; considering the Cylons seem to have such a great understanding of “the One True God’s Plan”, while the humans here are polytheistic. …………… almost like the Jews being punished, then led to a greater belief in the “One God” through their adversity, brought on by God “using” more powerful enemies.
I think the whole series is a pretty profound concept.
How about “Self-evolving Artificial DNA”?
We’ve had it for a year now.
Technically, we have the ability to go much further than nanobots. To have created something entirely with a literal “life of it’s own”
If Ron Moore is reading this….he’s probably chuckling and wants to pat me on the head…Just came up with this one this morning…..
Earth Humans: the beginning of the story the plays “over and over again” as Roslin put it. Somewhere between the rise of the Egyptian Age and Roman Empire, extraterrestrials (let’s call them…..X) stumble upon Earth and occupy it for a short period of time.
The 12 tribes: During X’s occupation of earth. A faction of X, lets call them the “blue X” find that exploiting the humans is immoral and rebels from “red X”. In desperation, Blue X manages to warn the human tribes to avoid extinction. “12 tribes” of the 13 agree to flee. Blue X has a plan for them. They “hide” them on Kobol.
Kobol: Life flourishes on Kobol, leaving earth in a period around the Roman Empire. The tale of originating from Earth fades along the way. Elders of Kobol are conflicted between their documenting their story and that some of their own will try to go back to Earth. Fearing that they’ll all get creamed if attempted, Kobols elders realize they need to take a step back and withhold technological information until civilzation catches up. It’s all hidden in the temple of Apollo.
Expulsion from Kobol: War breaks out on Kobol. Those heaing of a place called Earth want to return but its too late. X discovers Kobol and humans must flee. The elders call their cards and reveal space travel technology from rebel X. The last remnants of the 12 tribes make a run for it. In haste they take what they can and lock up what they cant take (the arrow of Apollo). In their expulsion. Elders agree to lose the coordinates to Kobol to ending this once and for all.
Caprican Era: After the banishment from Kobol. Information of a habitable place named Caprica comes. Survival leads to habitation, habitation to exploration. Wanting a way and a manifest destiny. The 12 tribes colonize amonst the solar system. Much technology is needed to subsist beyond Caprica. Artificial Intelligence comes of age. It leads to the The Cylon Rebellion
Cylons run into “X”. The Cylon war rages and the humans have them in a pickle. Resources and technology have hit a wall. X has been watching this play out from a distance and by now is so advanced it wants nothing to do with whats going on. The Cylons run into X and manage to steal such incredible advances in technology that they cant comprehend it. They need the “human touch” to carry it out but don’t want them involved. They purposely call a truce with the humans to secretly figure it out.
Very interesting. Check out your hypothesis, compared to the last couple or so questions in my post to the “Effects of the end of season cliff-hanger (SPOILERS)” thread. The “cycle of time” thing would play into that all.2nd April 2005 at 6:11 am in reply to: Effects of the end of season cliff-hanger (SPOILERS) #74465
Here’s four questions to ponder – from the simple to the complex.
1) Will a Cylom Raider (designed to be pilot-less) be big enough to fit all three – Starbuck, Helo and Boomer, for the return to the Galactica?
2) If so, what would happen upon their return, with two Boomers on board, both known to be Cylons? Or, are Helo and Boomer (or just Boomer – Boomer #2?) meant to stay on Caprica, to start a new race?
3) If the colonies were started by a race migrating from another star, then they’ve had space travel and hi-tech for two millenia. So if that is the established premise, then why is everything apparently based on myth and/or religious belief? Wouldn’t they just have actual physical records of all past events as “facts” – having had a hi-tech society with computers, etc. for 2,000 years?
4) Could the entire purpose for destroying the colonies, just have been used as a catalyst to force the exodus of the fleet, to lead the Cylons to Earth? And for what purpose? To destroy all of mankind, or something greater? Possibly to renew the cycle of time, starting the whole story over again, somehow? Remember, the Cylons are doing God’s will – so what would God have in mind, in doing this?
And I just have to throw in a number 5 …..
5) If the migration from Kobol happened only 2,000 years ago, what stage of development would Earth be at, when the fleet finally finds Earth? Remember though, with FTL travel, time is relative. So every FTL jump actually covers hundreds, if not thousands of years, in relative time. So I wonder, would they find an Earth in a primitive setting, thousands of years after the original migrants from Kobol had all died out? Or possibly, find a dead Earth, after a possible global nuclear holocaust. Forcing them to return to Kobol to restart civilization – and possibly populating it with hybrids – who would be known as “The Gods of Kobol”, renewing the cycle of time thing? (This is my guess on how the series will end, btw)
It would be funny though, if they found the original inhabitants from Stargate Atlantis … LOL But that would bring the whole series down to a lower level, in my opinion. So I sincerely hope it doesn’t take that turn, in the minds of the network execs, for ratings on their other sjhows.
Anyway, anybody with any thoughts on any of this, jump in.
MY EDIT >>>
My mistake on the last question. It escaped me for a bit on how short the FTL jumps have been. But I’m still curious as to what stage of development Earth would be at, taking the 2,000 year period since the exodus.
Better yet, is the whole story some sort of attempted cryptic prophecy in allegory?
The story line is so intricate, I find myself trying to read “beyond” between the lines.
With the entire story having a pre-determined plot line (not a bunch of random episodes, like the original BSG), you know they will eventually find Earth. So what profound culmination of events will this story end in? My gut feeling is, The final episode (when it eventually comes) will leave us in awe for weeks on end, with some sort of soul-wrenching social statement.
Remember – “This has all happened before, and it will happen again.” I think that theme will somehow be fully brought to light as the series reaches it’s ultimate climax.
Okay, that makes sense. It’s been so many years since I’ve seen an episode. It just struck me as odd that attention is drawn to the the license plate in the opening (from what I remember); and of course, the “K”.16th February 2005 at 6:47 am in reply to: They’re starting to design and build Rovers – for real! #74102
We’ll just have to add an untrasonic stun device. “We have the technology.”
I’ll have to see if I can find the link again that described the military’s concept.
Eventually it will get to the nanotech/biotech hybrid model:
Has anyone ever brought up the idea of “KAR120C” having some meaning?16th February 2005 at 2:48 am in reply to: They’re starting to design and build Rovers – for real! #74097
The military is planning a version that will extend tripod legs when stopped, for stability; when deploying a weapons array. But it does need more development; and presently I don’t think there’s a U.S. firm involved. But the concept is pretty ominous.
Could you imagine China over-running asia with a million ball-troops?15th February 2005 at 3:01 am in reply to: They’re starting to design and build Rovers – for real! #74089
I know it’s not a roaring, bouncing 6 foot monster. But I sure wouldn’t want a thigh-high black ball chasing me down the street, over all kinds of terrain at 20 m.p.h. Not that I’m a burglar (lol); but just the technology being there ……… makes you wonder how it would be used in the future.
Jeez ….. what if you were cornered by a dozen of them – and you resisted being cornered? What do you think an authoritarian form of government would program them to do – and give them the capability of doing?
I think you’re right right on the third theory. I still to this day wondered why they had a rocket under the village and why the final episode was called “Fall Out”. But it all makes sense now, looking at things “through the looking glass” of “Prisoner logic”.
Technically, it’s the only conclusion that makes sense, staying in the mindset of the “Village Reality” of coveying hidden truths. Unless everyone actually thinks, after all the effort that went into the creation of the Village world, that the writers would stoop to doing a fluff piece three episodes from the end of the series.
I think every setting, line of dialogue, prop, etc., was designed to have meaning as a piece in the puzzle.15th February 2005 at 2:10 am in reply to: They’re starting to design and build Rovers – for real! #74086
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