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  • in reply to: the dead do poo! #56956
    sgtdraino
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    I liked the episode. It was nice to see Prince, Priest, and Bunny interacting with the crew for such a prolongued period, with their uneasy alliance.

    On the other hand, I have to agree with some of the other comments about the tone of Season 4. I’m sure it’s a matter of personal taste, but I like Lexx better when it takes itself seriously. Now, that’s not quite the same thing as BEING serious. Example: The Bug Bomb coming out of Thodin’s nose. This is funny on a certain level, but the show treats it as serious. As such, the humor seems unintentional. And to me, unintentional humor is funnier than when you can tell the show is TRYING to be funny.

    At the same time, by taking everything seriously, the humor doesn’t seem to detract as much from the serious side of the show. If you’re in a serious mood, you can enjoy a serious episode. If you want some humor, then you can easily find that too.

    I guess it seems to me like Lexx is metamorphosizing from a serious series with dark humor, to more of a sci-fi situation comedy, like Red Dwarf. Now, I LOVE Red Dwarf, but I think I prefer my Lexx more serious.

    Also, it seems like the episodes are getting more adult-oriented. I enjoy showing episodes of Lexx to my little half-brothers, when those episodes are appropriate. And they really like the show. But it seems like more often this season I find myself saying, “Oh, I can’t show them THIS one,” or having to skip past inappropriate scenes. And that’s a bit of a shame, since it gets hard for them to enjoy the story, with chunks taken out of it.

    in reply to: Favorite Lexxy Music? New Poll: #56570
    sgtdraino
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    The Cleric “Chant” was, but the Cleric “Theme” was not.

    The Cleric Theme is the theme heard during Giga Shadow, when rebel Clerics try to prevent the Divine Rebirth, and later as the Giga Shadow busts out of the Cluster. The theme was remixed/redone as an opening theme for a few season 2 episodes.

    in reply to: Favorite Lexxy Music? New Poll: #56568
    sgtdraino
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    It seems the opening themes/visuals for Season 2 tend to vary in composition and length for the episodes Sci-Fi broadcasts, depending on how much commercial time they’re trying to pack in, and the varying length of the episode.

    There are two basic season 2 themes. Both start with the “monk chant,” and with Lexx saying, “I am the Lexx, I am the most powerful weapon of destruction in the two universes.”

    What follows next, is either a remix of the Cleric Theme from Giga Shadow, or a rather tuneless “dum-dum, dee-dum, dee-dum, dee-dum” theme which (I think) was scored just for the opening, and wasn’t derived from anything else. For lack of a better word, I’ll refer to this second theme as the “Beat Theme” (because it mostly just consists of a catchy rythym/beat).

    Both themes are used quite early in Season 2. At least in the episodes I taped off of Sci-Fi.

    2.1 Mantrid uses the Cleric Remix
    (but an extra-short version)
    2.2 Terminal uses the Beat Theme
    2.3 Lyekka uses the Cleric Remix again
    (this time the full version)

    And (I think) most if not all of the later Season 2 episodes use the Beat Theme. I know Brigadoom did, since I recently looked at that one.

    in reply to: Favorite Brigadoom Songs #56457
    sgtdraino
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    It is really hard to choose amongst the Brigadoom songs. I like many of them an awful lot. In no particular order, my favorites are:

    Brunnis (Closed behind our mighty shield…)
    I Have to Go
    Final Stand
    We Are the Brunnen-G
    I Want More
    Dull, Dull, Dull
    Gather ‘Round

    In particular, I find myself belting out some form of “Gather ‘Round” quite a bit:

    Gather ’round and hear my song,
    We’ve been deaf, we have been blind too long.
    Beyond our shields there lies a threat,
    It will smell our stinky breath.
    His Shadow is coming, His Shadow looms,
    His Shadow is bringing our final doom!
    We cannot hide, you must listen to me,
    This is the end of the Brunnen-G!

    Me and my buddies tend to play around with a perversion of “Dull, Dull, Dull,” as well, which mocks the way the Brunnen-G dress. It goes a li’le some’in like this, a-hem…

    Gay, gay, gay,
    Our lives are oh so gay.
    We sit inside our ga-ay house,
    And cower like a ga-ay mouse.
    Gay, gay, gay,
    Our lives are oh so gay!

    You get the idea.

    in reply to: Favorite Lexxy Music? New Poll: #56564
    sgtdraino
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    Hmmm, that’s weird. I wrote some stuff in little triangly brackets “” and it didn’t post. Hmmm.

    At any rate, you guys prolly know the opening I’m talking about.

    in reply to: Favorite Lexxy Music? New Poll: #56563
    sgtdraino
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    Without a doubt, my most favorite Lexx musical piece is…

    The REMIX of the Cleric Theme, as used in the opening of several of the Season 2 episodes.

    “I am the Lexx. I am the most powerful weapon in the two universes.”

    To me, this is will always be what I think of, when I think of Lexx beginning. I thought it caught the mood just right.

    in reply to: SadGeezer has the best LEXX episode guides on the net #49790
    sgtdraino
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    I, too, got into Lexx largely thanks to Sadgeezer’s episode guide. I’d never seen the first 4 movies, and sci-fi was showing season 2 episodes all out of order, so the result was a fairly confusing “Are you ready for some strange?” mess.

    I first sensed something larger lurking beneath the surface in Kai’s character, and in the mysterious arms destroying everything at the end of each episode (yes, I’d also missed Mantrid… or had they shown it yet?).

    Then I saw Brigadoom, and was totally blown away with this epic back-story. I had to know more, so I went on the net, and found Sadgeezer’s site.

    Thankfully, not long after the first showing of Brigadoom, Sci-fi ran the first 4 movies.
    And in a way, I’m kinda glad I saw Brigadoom before I saw I Worship His Shadow. To see the stage set in Brigadoom, and then see the actual battle at the start of IWHS, was a pretty neat way to get hooked into the series.

    And I still am.

    in reply to: Need Help With Brigadoom Characters #49777
    sgtdraino
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    Headgehog wrote:

    “Kyoo was a newborn. He was the dark haired newborn in Dull Dull Dull. I won Paul’s Costume at Uncon. (I assume it was his, it had “Paul” written inside it)”

    Ah, thanks. That’s very helpful!

    Jason wrote:

    “Lett is the is male Brunnen-G elder and, as you noted, is played by John Dunsworth. He has also appeared as the running man who gets eaten by the clown-mobile on the cluster in the beginning of Gigashadow, as one of the prisoners in 791, as the old man in Texx Lexx, and as the first ATF agent to be shot by Digby in P4X.”

    Wow! I had no idea he’d been in so many! I never picked up on that being the same guy. Again, very helpful info. Thus, to summarize:

    Lett = Male Brunnen-G elder.
    Groo = Female Brunnen-G elder.
    Kyoo = New Born with dark hair.

    Excellent work, guys. Very helpful. Thanks a lot.

    in reply to: could ‘uncertain moon’ possibly be… #49738
    sgtdraino
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    The Time Prophet definitely exists in the Light Universe, since HDS visited her, and the Dark Zone is beyond his reach. She may or may not also exist in the Dark Zone. The Brunnen G on Brunnis visited her, but its possible they crossed over to do so.

    One possibility I’ve pondered: What if the Time Prophet’s “uncertain moon” lies on an orbital path that takes it back and forth THROUGH the Fractal Core?

    in reply to: Lexx Timeline #49300
    sgtdraino
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    First off, one slight error in your timeline:

    The Heretics never attempted to steal amino acid codes from the Divine Order. It was the Divine Order who stole the Lexx designs from the Heretics, and then destroyed them before they had time to build one.

    As for the cycle of time stuff, and the relationship between Fire, Water, and Earth, here’s my pet theory:

    The Light and Dark zones occupy the same space, place, and time (1.0). When the Light Zone collapsed, it also affected the Dark Zone. The Lexx was unaffected, by virtue of being “between” universes at the moment the cycle began again.

    However, like Kai, the two universes have been knocked “out of alignment” in ways that are unpredictable. The surrealistic aspects of Fire and Water do give me the feeling that the Dark Zone has been reborn as well, though it seems apparent S3 and S4 don’t happen at the VERY beginning of this universe.

    It seems apparent that the “souls” on Fire and Water went to Earth after those planets were destroyed, but it seems equally apparent to me that there MUST have already been people on the planet beforehand. Heck, at the start of S4, we flash back many years to when that French dude detects the alien transmission, so obviously there’s people already there.

    A big hole in the concept becomes, how did these “souls” from Fire and Water get so quickly acclimated to Earth? We can presume Prince landed only hours before the Lexx investigates, yet he’s already established himself as head of the ATF!

    The answer? I don’t really have a “story” answer. I suspect the “real life” answer is pretty simple: The beans are more concerned with setting up interesting story situations, than they are about show continuity. They probably thought Earth would be neat for a setting, and worked their way backwards from that.

    And I tend to feel like that’s been their philosophy all along. They’re more concerned with creating interesting situations, than being careful about how characters realistically arrive at those interesting situations.

    And I’m not saying that’s a bad thing. I’m not saying it’s a GOOD thing either. It’s just the feeling I get from watching the series. What do you folks think?

    in reply to: Next Lexx series ideas? #49604
    sgtdraino
    Participant

    If it were up to me, I’d end the series much the way it began: With a few movies based on the premise that the crew is ALREADY in the next cycle of time (has been since the Light Universe collapsed).

    I would bring things full-circle with three movies:

    5.1 Insects
    5.2 Brunnis 2
    5.3 Heretics

    And I know it’s a long shot, but 5.1 is written, and will be mailed off to Salter early next week.

    in reply to: Vlad the elder=Time Prophet #56231
    sgtdraino
    Participant

    Originally posted by DalekTek790:
    Sgt. Draino-You make some good points. However, I think His Divine Shadow was aware of his Insect origins.

    Thanks! And you’ve made me rethink my theory a bit (see below).

    Kai may have absorbed all of His Divine Shadow’s memories into his brain, but he couldn’t access them all at will. In The Giga Shadow a machine was necessary for him to remember something the Hirschfield Divine Shadow did, and that was the brain he crushed. And, even though he said in Walpurgis Night that a memory he absorbed told him about Earth and the super-assassin, he didn’t recognize Earth immediately despite the fact that one of the people he had the memories of must’ve travelled there or known of it.

    All true. I suppose it is technically possible Kai just “couldn’t remember” about the origin of the Giga Shadow… but I still think the bulk of the evidence indicates HDS and his Predecessors simply didn’t know. HDS was talking about the Giga Shadow right before Kai killed him and got his memories, yet right afterwards Kai seems pretty sure of himself when he states HDS didn’t know anything. And the repeated “programmed” answer of the Kai-killing Predecessor (“The Giga Shadow is the end, and it is the beginning…”) both lead me to think the brains really don’t know.

    Now, about the brain in The Giga Shadow. Kai finds this brain with the left frontal lobe damaged. It talks like Walter Borden and tells him it’s good but wants to die. Kai crushes it, and absorbs its memory, but says it knew nothing of the Giga Shadow. He walks away, and Yottskry stumbles over there, finds another brain with the left frontal lobe damaged (“Whoa, whoa, whoooaa! Nobody said anything about two brains…” ), picks it up, and Walter Borden starts talking in his head. I’m not sure how there were two brains laying around (maybe you can help me there), but I think the one Kai crushed was a decoy, containing only part of His Shadow’s intellect. Kai crushed it, and it gave him a sense of closure, so he left without noticing the brain that contained the whole of His Shadow’s thoughts, memories, and impetus.

    My impression of the scene was that there was only one brain. It was crushed by Kai, then later picked up by Yottsky. The Insect Essence in 2.1 says as much: “Kai crushed the brain of my last human host…” True, when Yottsky picks up the brain, it doesn’t really look that damaged, but I’m convinced the beans intended it to be the same brain. After all, where would a second brain come from? There was a botched assassination attempt, and one brain (HDS) was left lying on the floor. I’m guessing the Insect Essence managed to keep hiding itself inside the crushed brain, even though the brain was largely nonfunctional. Since we’ve seen the essence get carried around inside a completely empty skull, I suppose it is possible.

    Also, in Mantrid the Insect essence in Kai recounts its history. So whatever Kai observed had full knowledge of being an Insect and of the Divine Rebirth. That essence couldn’t’ve come from the Giga Shadow. It was from either when Kai killed the host body in I Worship His Shadow.

    Well, the Predecessor crushed in 1.0 no longer possessed any Insect Essence, so obviously it’s Giga Shadow.

    or crushed one of the twin brains in The Giga Shadow. Either way, it means some manifestation of His Shadow before the Divine rebirth knew about the Insect stuff.

    Well, not quite. It means the Insect Essence definitely knew about the Insect stuff. But you still make a good point. Here is what I would conclude from this:

    It still seems plain to me that Divine Predecessors didn’t know about the Giga Shadow. Kai concluded from crushing HDS’s brain that he didn’t know either. However, most of the Insect Essence remained in the brain. Later this Essence “possesses” Yottskry. Kai questions him about the Giga Shadow, but he doesn’t seem to know either.

    So what’s the answer? All memories about the truth of the Giga Shadow remain WITHIN the Insect Essence. When that essence is transfered from an old HDS to a new HDS, those memories go with it. And the Insect Essence must be able to choose what knowledge it imparts to its host. Thus, a pure Divine Shadow (the brain is cleansed, there is only Insect Essence) remembers the Insect Wars (“an Insect… curious.”), while a possessed mind (Yottskry, Kai) does not, and a Predecessor (no Insect Essence remaining) also does not.

    Now, I don’t think anybody can contest that the Insects and His Divine Shadow could divide their essence for different hosts (of course I always say that and then I get a post from Aleck… ), but I think all of the original Insect’s essence left the body. Why? From Mantrid: “I survived by transferring my essence, my thoughts, my memories, my…everything into a human host.” All the essence went into the humans and the Insect was left dormant.

    Actually, he says, “I passed my essence, my soul, my intelligence, my everything into a human host.” But keep in mind this is the same essence telling us that, “My prematurely reborn body was killed by the Lexx,” which is pretty darn inaccurate! Strictly speaking, the Essence contradicts what it said earlier about passing “some” of its essence to humans. UNLESS it is possible for the Insect to pass only “some” of its essence to humans, but still pass its soul, intelligence, and everything along with “some” essence. Perhaps it’s more of a Xerox copy thing. It passes some of its essence, and duplicates its soul, intellegence, etc. into the host.

    I also think some members of the Divine Order knew His Divine Shadow was not human. I mean, they were in charge of transferring the essence and the Divine Rebirth. And the bio-viziers were some of the greatest minds in the universe, a few of them must’ve found out if they weren’t told.

    Thodin calls the Divine Order a “false religion,” and I think that term is quite accurate. Citizens and Clerics alike revel in the “Divine Mystery.” To them, HDS is a god, with godlike powers. Their’s is not to question or understand, but only to serve Order. And keep in mind that the Insect Wars have “faded into a hazy past” (i.e. mostly been forgotten).

    It would seem from 2.1 that Mantrid indeed DID learn that protoblood comes from Insects, and seems to know quite a bit about the Insects. Of course, we also know Mantrid was regarded by HDS as a very dangerous man, and locked away. Perhaps this knowledge of Insects was precisely why. Probably the only reason he wasn’t cleansed, was that HDS still had use for Mantrid’s brilliance.

    Another thing I noticed: the Seal of the Divine Order which appears in I Worship His Shadow, The Giga Shadow, Texx Lexx and Walupurgis Night as well as the beginning credits and season enders is based on the insect body. When the Giga Shadow rolled up, its profile looked almost identical to the aperture symbol, with seven radial segments in a dull silver color.

    Oh yes! I think this was definitely a little “in-joke” courtesy of the last surviving Insect. It created the Divine Order, and so it created their symbol in its own image.

    in reply to: Magic Baby *Spoilers* #56393
    sgtdraino
    Participant

    quote:


    Originally posted by mayaxiong:
    Did anyone else notice the following about
    Magic Baby?…
    1. Xev doesn’t acknowledge having eaten the live Kai..nor does the dead Kai bring the
    subject up…and she acts as if NOTHING HAS
    HAPPENED…The cluster lizard mating thing
    now becomes….a dream?…

    Actually I didn’t notice, but you’re right. Xev seemed highly traumatized at the end of Fluff Daddy, yet now she seems not bothered in the least. On a side-note, when she initially went off in Fluff Daddy, I had assumed it was the parablood she’d been injected with, having an unforeseen effect. The mating plotline took me by surprise, and didn’t fully make sense to me. As long as she’s been on the Lexx, she’s never experienced this before?

    2. Vlad freezes herself (?) until Kai and
    Xev return, how’d she know when they’d get
    there..?

    I had initially thought she did this to conserve protoblood until Kai returned to the Lexx. But why not just take a moth and go hunting for him? As for the other thing, it seems like the chryopods can be programmed to wake up their occupants under a wide variety of circumstances. I guess she programmed it to trigger on detecting people moving aboard the Lexx. Alternatively, we’ve seen Kai apparently wake himself up from chryostasis simply using his own will power (4.0 “Kai, you’ve revived yourself from chryostasis!”). Who knows how?

    3. The Key went to the moth breeders, but
    they are made like Kai…NOT LIVING BEINGS..
    so how’d one manage to walk around the
    ship with a glowing hand?…

    I wondered about that as well. It is hard to consider them “alive.” On the other hand, they must operate somewhat differently than Kai. They obviously don’t run on protoblood, yet have a shelf-life of thousands of years. I actually expected the key to go into 790’s cube of “living brain,” but it went right past him.

    4. The chanting monk was actually lip-synching to the chant…his lips didn’t
    keep time with the obviously over-dubbed
    voice…otherwise Kai would have killed him
    much earlier due to annoyance…AND looked
    suspiciously like Jeffrey under that hood..?

    He was pretty annoying. Although it was interesting how his chanting sped up, when he tried to attack Vlad. I expected him to be someone surprising, since it seemed like they were trying to hide his face from us, but I don’t think it was Jeffrey. I’m guessing in the credits he is “The Cloak,” played by Stephen Coats (sounds familiar but, ???).

    5. Kai was spun around like a toy with the
    ‘lasso’ that Vlad used, and was obviously in
    distress, but yet, when Xev blew up Fire with
    the Lexx…it didn’t even muss his hair….?

    Another good question. That fall from orbit in 3.01 seemed to damage him more than anything else to date. But blow up the planet with him on it? No problem. This interchange from 2.02 might clarify things a bit:

    Dr. Veezra: We can blow up MedSat with him on it when we leave.
    Dr. Funz: That won’t stop you will it?
    Kai: No.
    Dr. Funz: It seems clear that you will be able to rematerialize unless we break you down into subatomic particles.

    In 3.06, Kai explains some of his workings:
    Kai: I contain many microscopic bio-mechanical systems. They collectively associate in my body to perform many duplicate functions. My primary microsystems have a specific polarity. They were apparently damaged when I first crashed into the planet Water. I am out of alignment.

    By this, I would hypothesize that as long as some of Kai’s microscopic primary systems are aligned properly, he can reconstitute himself even from microscopic particles. But a direct enough “wack” can throw off his polarity, like demagnetizing a magnet by hitting it with a hammer.

    Then why, you ask, did Vlad’s yo-yo attacks seem to have an effect on him? Well, from personal observation, Kai moves like a crocodile. Normally rather slowly. But when speed is called for, he can fly into action. Perhaps, like a crocodile, he’s only designed for short bursts of speed. Maybe sustained high activity wears him out. So perhaps Vlad’s yo-yo attack didn’t actually damage him, perhaps it just wore him out for a bit.

    6. Why didn’t Kai just ‘bite off’ the..um..
    appendage that VLad was going to use on him?.. (And don’t ask me why I thought of that..)

    I was thinking something similar, about the time he said, “I am defeated.” I expected him to shoot out his brace and cut off that appendage, at least buying himself a bit more time before she stuck it back on. Why didn’t he? Dunno. Maybe it figures into the “crocodile” theory.

    7. 790 has been murderous for the past 5
    episodes, yet, offers no help to Vlad to kill
    Xev and Stan…

    Probably because so long as Vlad exists, 790 knows Kai is in terrible danger. Vlad definitely seems to be Kai’s current arch-nemesis, so its really little wonder that 790 wouln’t think of doing any deals with her.

    Just my feverish mind working overtime, due
    to lack of sleep and a crappy month…


    Hey, like I said before, I love discussing/debating this stuff!

    in reply to: How SciFi angers me.. let me count the ways… #56239
    sgtdraino
    Participant

    Some of you are gonna be doubly ticked off, because they ARE showing Magic Baby again at 2am after all!

    in reply to: Vlad the elder=Time Prophet #56225
    sgtdraino
    Participant

    quote:


    Originally posted by DalekTek790:
    Another disagreement. The brains were more fully Insect than him. They knew the original agenda, and the original agenda had all them being assimilated into the Giga Shadow. That’s why they’re so glad he’s come. After the essence entered an uncleansed human host, the remaining host part was inextricably bonded to it. Thay’s why the Insect in The Giga Shadow, the disembodied essence in Mantrid, and Dr. Longbore in Texx Lexx (okay, that last one is sort of speculative, but the others illustrate my point) were voiced by Walter Borden. The characteristics from the last host were carried with the essence, and could only be diluted by the passage into later Divine Shadow hosts, which never happened because of the premature Divine Cleansing.


    The Predecessors and HDSs are programmed to look forward to the Divine Rebirth as a good thing, as their “destiny,” (and it is), but beyond that they really don’t know anything about it:

    “What is the Giga Shadow?”
    “The Giga Shadow is the end, and it is the beginning. First will come the Cleansing, that will feed the Rebirth. The Giga Shadow is the new life beyond order. A time of rejoicing, our destiny.”

    When the day arrives, they think they’re in for something great. Surprise! The Giga Shadow is an Insect, and will destroy anything remotely human.

    The Divine Order seems to operate largely on a need-to-know basis. Citizens never question His Shadow’s wisdom and guidance, military officers never question His Shadow’s orders. They will fly straight into fractal cores, shoot each other, and even kill themselves if HDS tells them to.

    The clerics don’t really know anything either. As the Time Prophet says:

    “Clerics, loyal to His Shadow, had long prayed for the rebirth. For them, there was no higher calling than to be one of the eight chosen to oversee the ritual. And now, after thousands of years, eight were finally called forth. But fear of the Divine Order had chilled the blood of much of human kind, and seeds of doubt had taken root in the most unlikely soil.”

    And as the lead Cleric says, “Ours is not to question. Ours is not to understand. Ours is to feed Order.” And as one of the Cleric geezers says, “The glory of the Divine Mystery takes precedence over a single life.”

    And HDS and the Predecessors definitely do NOT know what the Giga Shadow is, or of the Insect origin of their essence (or even what protoblood is). How do I know? Because Kai did not know. Kai had no idea he was fighting the last surviving Insect, and he possessed all of HDS’s memories, from killing the predecessor, and killing HDS himself. In fact, right after he kills HDS, Kai announces, “He knew nothing of the Giga Shadow either.”

    And the Giga Shadow is not devoid of Insect Essence. As he tells Kai at the end of 4.0/1.4, “I passed some of my essence to humans…” The operative word is “some,” as in, not all. It seems apparent from the series that Insect Essence is nearly infinitely divisible into separate entities (or can coalesce into a single huge entity). the essence can enter and control Yottskry, but still leave a little bit in Kai as well. And, as Mantrid explains, Insect parents transfer some of their essence to their offspring in order to bring them fully active. In fact, the Insect Essence may be a bigger part of the Insect Civilization than the giant Insects themselves. Perhaps the real intelligence is the Essence, and the Insects are just a convenient and powerful host body.

    in reply to: Vlad the elder=Time Prophet #56207
    sgtdraino
    Participant

    Originally posted by DalekTek790:
    You’re not taking my interpretation seriously. Here is an excerp from Lexx 1.1: I Worship His Shadow that illustrates my point-

    Okay, let’s take this blow-by-blow.

    The humanized Shadow deviates considerably from the plan laid down by his (fully Insect) predecessors.

    First off, neither His Shadow nor his Predecessors are “fully Insect.” By this, I mean their agenda is not the same as the Insect agenda. The Insect has “programmed” them with an agenda that will ultimately serve it, but not one that is purely Insect in nature. The Divine Order’s primary goal is conquest of humans, the Insects’ primary goal is the extinction of humans.

    His Shadow and his Predecessors are not aware that their essence comes from an Insect, and they don’t really know what the Giga Shadow is. That’s why they spout off the same old answer every time. Programming.

    He’s opposing his former self! He’s willing to destroy 20,000 planets containing his own subjects just to kill a few Heretics on one planet.

    Actually, my impression was that the incomplete cleansing has left this particular Divine Shadow 75% bonkers. It’s not really killing with any purpose, it’s just killing for the sake of killing. Just like in the control center:

    “Kill him. Thank you. Now, kill yourself.”

    As an Insect, he logically considered that wasteful and was ready to conduct an investigation to determine the Heretics’ exact planet of origin, and not take any hasty and irrational action. The Divine Predecessors are quite shocked by the humanized Shadow’s change of plans.

    Actually, the Insect thinking would be the more dead humans the merrier. It is actually the Divine Order agenda that found destroying all the planets shocking. After all, if they did that, they’d have nothing left to rule.

    He also broke his own rules by leaving the Cluster and putting the Predecessors on board the Lexx. He even let Heretics steal the most powerful weapon in the two universes just to show that the brains were wrong.

    This was probably a holdover from the host’s brain, which insists that time travels in a straight line, not a circle. The fact that he was rather bonkers led him to go to extreme and irrational risks to try to prove his beliefs about time were correct. He didn’t “let” them steal the Lexx, he just didn’t think they could possibly pull it off. After all, they didn’t have a key for it (or rather, he didn’t THINK they did).

    In short, he does everything he’s been warned NOT to do, in order to prove time travels in a straight line, and not a circle. He decides to leave the Cluster, he lets Heretics get on the Lexx, and he employs the Last of the Brunnen-G to stop them. In short, he is a Divine Shadow who loves to tempt fate. And boy does it bite him in his Divine Arse.

    He later killed them all, even though he was in effect killing a part of himself and would lose his purer Insect thought processes.

    You mean after the Giga Shadow awakes? No, he kills them all because all the Predecessors are still somewhat human. They are human brains, and as a completely reborn Insect, his agenda became to destroy all human kind.

    He makes another hasty decision in initiating the Divine Cleansing early just so he, and not a cleansed being, would be the ultimate Divine Shadow.

    He tried to speed up the process of the Divine Rebirth because the Insect hibernating inside the Cluster made him. The Insect knew the Lexx was in the hands of its enemies, and wanted to be on the move asap, before the Lexx could come along and blow it up.

    That led to his own downfall, since the Insect body wasn’t ready to emerge. The new Divine Shadow clearly displayed signs of unstable personality.

    Oh yeah, he was definitely bonkers! But as soon as the Insect essence left that host brain, its intellect became pure Insect. Hence, HDS was “good” for a few minutes, while the essence was still inside a brain of which the evil section was destroyed. But after Kai crushed the brain, and the essence left, back to total evil Insect again.

    The Hirschfield Divine Shadow was like a Cyberman. He didn’t really want to kill Kai. He just, for some moral or obsessive-compulsive reason felt that he must kill Kai to make things right.

    Did Jeffrey Hirschfield play the voice of Kai-killing HDS? I didn’t know that! He did a really good job! In some ways, I like that HDS voice even better than Walter Borden!

    But in my view, he definitely WANTED to kill Kai, and took pleasure in the killing. Just listen to the “Aaaaaah..” as he slides the knife into Kai’s guts. And the “punishment beyond death” he piles on top of that… oh yeah, he loves his work. But he is following the Divine Order agenda: Kill enemies of the Divine Order. This as opposed to the Insect agenda: Kill all humans.

    The Gigeroff Divine Shadow liked killing humans. He ordered two of his own loyal followers to kill each other!

    Yep. Bonkers!

    Then, he tries to destroy the Lexx and its crew out of spite, even though they couldn’t destroy him.

    Well, actually, after he screwed up and lost the Lexx, he kinda got “right in the head” and realized he was being goofy. The Insect essence impressed upon him that the Lexx was a very dangerous weapon to leave in the hands of enemies, and that the prophecy regarding Kai may be the biggest danger of all to the Divine Order’s future.

    His mission, laid down by the other Divine Shadows going back to the original Insect survivor was to build a new Divine Insect Order after the Cleansing with the Giga Shadow’s larvae and pieces of his essence.

    Well, actually that is the super-secret mission of the Insect, that is kept hidden from EVERYONE, even the Divine Shadows and Divine Predecessors. Because if wind of it ever got out to the citizens, HDS’s cover would be blown. Humans will follow another human with seemingly awesome powers, but they won’t follow an Insect.

    The Lexx was irrelevent. Still, he went out of his way to destroy it, the Divine Predecessors, and the human crew slowly. He had a sadistic personality.

    Well, building the Lexx is indeed irrelevent to the last surviving Insect. But to the programming of HDS, it’s a valuable tool to expand the Divine Order’s power.

    But getting the Lexx out of enemy hands was a very high priority, both to HDS and to the Insect. HDS would prefer to get it back intact, but destruction is certainly an alternative.

    Finally, if the entry into an uncleansed human host didn’t affect his personality, why was the scene there? If it really didn’t mean anything then it wouldn’t have been written, or would’ve been cut to leave room for relevent dialog and action. Its existence proves its importance.

    The nutty HDS was essential to making the story work. A normal HDS would have never allowed Heretics to board the Lexx so easily, would never have put the Predecessors on the Lexx, and would have sent every Divine Assassin he had after them EXCEPT the Last of the Brunnen-G. In short, if HDS hadn’t been so nutty, our heroes never could have pulled off their escape, and we’d have no TV show!

    I don’t want another argument here. You just have to realize that this is a factor in His Divine Shadow’s actions in the movies.

    Frankly, I LOVE debating stuff like this. Anyone got anything to add?

    in reply to: Vlad the elder=Time Prophet #56200
    sgtdraino
    Participant

    M’kay, that didn’t quite work. Let’s try that again…

    quote:


    Originally posted by DalekTek790:
    This whole cycle of time thing was a real original idea. I don’t think anything other than Lexx has ever had time end then begin again in a continuous loop. Doctor Who, Star Trek: The Next Generation, and The X-Files have all had time loop episodes, but they never suggested that all of time is a cycle. Of course it’s impossible, but it’s a neat idea.


    It IS a neat idea, but contrary to what I initially thought, it’s not necessarily impossible.

    Cycles of Time relates to comedy-recycling theory, which postulates that the universe expands from a big bang, only to collapse in a big crunch, which leads to another big bang, and so on, and so on. Thus the universe is reborn in cycles. The Time Prophet’s view postulates that events in each cycle will unfold exactly the same each time, because the starting conditions are exactly the same with each cycle (ignoring chaos theory, of course). Thus, after time “ends,” time “begins again” with the next cycle.

    What most folks don’t seem to realize (and I’m not convinced even the Beans realize this), is that Our Crew did not technically “destroy” the Light Universe. Matter cannot be created or destroyed. They caused it to collapse, in a big crunch. Therefore, this should logically lead to another big bang, the next cycle of time.

    in reply to: Vlad the elder=Time Prophet #56199
    sgtdraino
    Participant

    quote:


    Originally posted by DalekTek790:
    That’s my point. It’s been implied that His Divine Shadow was good as an Insect. He didn’t act very evil until his essence was passed into the uncleansed human host. I think that was the Beans’ was of saying the enemy isn’t always the “other.”

    This whole cycle of time thing was a real original idea. I don’t think anything other than Lexx has ever had time end then begin again in a continuous loop. Doctor Who, Star Trek: The Next Generation, and The X-Files have all had time loop episodes, but they never suggested that all of time is a cycle. Of course it’s impossible, but it’s a neat idea.


    in reply to: I Worship His Shadow: Two Questions (Part Two) #56065
    sgtdraino
    Participant

    To Question 1: That was the mouth of the Lexx. At that time, His Shadow’s priority was getting the Lexx fully-grown, so he could send it out bringing destruction to all those who would oppose the League of 20,000.

    To Question 2:

    LEXX 4.0 SPOILER ALERT!
    If you haven’t seen Giga Shadow yet, you may not want to spoil the surprise for yourself.

    If you don’t care, then read further.

    His Shadow picked up a piece of Kai’s Insect Craft and said, “An insect… curious.”

    I believe he said this because His Shadow himself consists of the Insect essence of the last survivor of the Insect Civilization (though individual Divine Shadows are not themselves supposed to be aware of this). He may have felt some peculiar familiarity with that Insect Craft.

    A BETTER question might be, why do the Brunnen-G use Insect Craft in the first place? They fought the Insect Civilization with Insect Craft. Why do you think?

    in reply to: FluffDaddy Spoiler- Did Xev mate….? #56089
    sgtdraino
    Participant

    From my impression watching the episode, Xev never actually got to perform the “act” with live Kai before she ate him. Dead Kai called live Kai Xev’s “mate” long before she would have gotten to perform any “act” with him.

    My impression is that Xev had fixated on live Kai as her chosen mate, and waited for him to be ready for her has long as she could… but eventually could hold out no longer, and ate him.

    Any geezer who’s nuts enough to drive staples into his feet to understand pain (?) is not going to be a pushover for Xev’s wants.

    Speaking of which, I laughed and laughed at the pomposity of “The Actor.” What a fitting counterpart personality for Kai! Taking himself and his craft so seriously, to the point of ludicrousness.

    It makes me wonder how close this personality would be to the actual character of Kai when he was alive on Brunnis 2. Who knows? We really only have small hints as to what Kai’s personality was like when he was alive.

    in reply to: I Worship His Shadow: 2 questions #55701
    sgtdraino
    Participant

    The organs in the movie are indeed being fed to the Lexx, but as others have noted, they are often used for other purposes as well (robot drones, feeding the Gigashadow, etc.).

    The piece of insect craft picked up by His Divine Shadow was an antique leftover from the Insect Wars, apparently used by the Brunnen-G in the Dark Zone. It hasn’t been stated by the creators yet, but I suspect the creation of these craft was the Brunnen-G’s secret to defeating the Insect Civilization back then. Creating and using insect-based craft may have made the Brunnen-G harder to track or hit, while flying in and around the large space-going Insects of the Insect Civilization.

    The Lexx was not the invention of His Divine Shadow, but was devised by the Heretics of the Reform Planets (of which the Astral B Heretics were members). The plans to create the Lexx were concealed in amino acid codes inside the tooth of Assistant Deputy Backup Courier Stanley Tweedle, of the Astral B. These codes (along with the codes to the Reform Planets’ defensive shields) fell into the hands of His Shadow when Stanley was captured by Sub-Nebulae Mercenaries. The codes were used by His Shadow to create the Lexx, and use the Heretics’ weapon against themselves.

    It’s my theory that the Heretics derived the technology for the Lexx from the extinct Brunnen-G, the same tech the Brunnen-G used to develope their insect craft. The Heretics are plainly aware of the Brunnen-G’s history; Thodin knows about the Prophecy. Since, ordinarily, no one should know about the Prophecy except the Time Prophet, His Shadow, and any crew present when His Shadow killed Kai, the Heretics have apparently done quite a bit of homework. I suspect the Brunnen-G have become tragic heroes for the Heretics, their defiant last stand serving as an example for resisting the Divine Order.

    in reply to: Lomea is BACK! #54769
    sgtdraino
    Participant

    Okay, as moderator for a discussion list myself, the following two comments made me very uncomfortable:

    Moderator F/X wrote:

    >so the fact that you have nothing against
    >the man indicates that you either
    >unfamiliar with some of his hate doctrine
    >or that you agree with it, and if i sound
    >judgmental here, i assure you it is
    >entirely intentional.

    Moderator F/X then wrote:

    >refrain from comments impugning the
    >intelligence or education or whatever of
    >the other members of this board, or you
    >will get edited

    I think you can see why this made me uncomfortable.

    Back to lurking…

    Sgt. Draino

    in reply to: lexx writers #54393
    sgtdraino
    Participant

    Thanks guys!

    Naturally, the leader of the Insect Civilization would be… the Voice of His Divine Shadow!

    in reply to: lexx writers #54386
    sgtdraino
    Participant

    Great topic! It caught my attention, and this is my first post to this board.

    First, good luck (very, very good luck) to Newfangled in getting hired as a Lexx writer. I welcome a writer who takes the pulse of the series’ fans. I’m all for maintaining series integrity, but creators do not always have a perfect vision for their creation. Take Star Wars: Episode 1, for example.

    Let me echo many of PrayrieWolf’s sentiments. I, too, started out watching Farscape, with occasional exposure to Lexx Season 2. I wasn’t too impressed at the time, because (not having seen the movies that started it all, and seeing the episodes out-of-order) the whole thing seemed disjointed. Also, Sci-Fi Channel’s focus on promoting the sexual elements of Lexx did not appeal to me. I’m all for little sex, but when I sit down to watch something, it’s the story that comes first.

    BUT I began to sense something greater in the show, as I started seeing elements of Mantrid. And finally, when I saw Brigadoom, I was utterly hooked. What at first seemed only superficial sexual wierdness (“Are you ready for some strange?”), was revealed to have a foundation of epic proportions, and incredible artistic qualities.

    After that, I found SadGeezer’s site, and got the story of Lexx in proper perspective from his episode guide. At the same time, Sci-Fi finally aired the first 4 movies. FANTASTIC.

    Since then, I’ve been taping everything, and showing the series to anyone I can rope into watching it. The consensus basically agrees with SadGeezer: That first film, I Worship His Shadow, was totally kick-arse amazing. The rest of the series is good, but I don’t think it has ever quite reached the awe-inspiring level of the first film, with the exception of Brigadoom (which coincidentally revisited many elements of the first film)

    I also agree with Rustam on many things. Kai is the center of the story, the hub on which the wheel turns. “It makes an ancient rumbling sound!” He is the one telling the story at the beginning, he is often the focal-point throughout. In Brigadoom, they say they are telling Kai’s story, “the most important story that ever happened…”

    I’d also like some more kick-arse music, and I agree that our crew should not hang around Earth too long. Much bigger, more exciting things are to be found elsewhere. And like Crusader, I’d like to hear more about Stan’s past, and the Astral B Heretics’ rebellion against the Divine Order. From folks I’ve talked to, His Divine Shadow is still the best baddie in the whole series. And my friends and I really liked the BIG story-arch style of season 3.

    PrayrieWolf has had the same thought I’ve had! The “re-big-bang” theory. In the world of Lexx, time moves in a circle. Events repeat in cycles of time, as the two universes repeatedly collapse, and are reborn. And because the two universes are not separate, but occupy the same space and time, I believe the collapse of the Light Universe also caused the Dark Zone to be reborn.

    Thus, as of now, our crew is 4000 years into the next cycle of time!

    So, where would I like to see the series go? I’d like to see it return to its roots. Those roots that were planted in the first movie, and built on in Brigadoom. I’d like to see things be brought full-circle, as it is in the cycles of time. And I’d like to see our crew as the monkey-wrench, thrown into the mix, messing everything up!

    I’d propose that their actions at the end of season 2, causing the Light Universe to collapse, messed up the balance between the two universes. Both are reborn, but time now flows much faster in the Light Universe.

    I want to see our crew participate in The Great Insect Wars! I want to see the Lexx fight in the final battle against the Insect Civilization, with the Brunnen G from Brunnis!

    I want to see our crew travel into the Light Universe, only to find thousands of years have passed, and the Divine Order is on the rise! I want them to go to Brunnis 2, and see Zev get in a catfight with Kai’s living lover! I want to see the Lexx fight the Foreshadow, with our crew singing “Viao A O” on the bridge!

    I want to see the Lexx defeated, and retreat to the Dark Zone just long enough so that, when they return, they witness the destruction of 94 Reform Planets! I want to see Thodin back in action, and an uneasy alliance between the Arch Traitor and the Astral B, to use the Lexx against the Divine Order! And I want to see our Kai facing off with the mindless assassin version of himself!

    Every TV series must eventually end, and whenever the time comes for Lexx to end, I would love to see things be brought full-circle in this manner. It would bring closure, and would give the writers a chance to further explore some of the really cool elements only tasted before: The Great Insect Wars, the talking stars, the Brunnen G in the Dark Zone and in the Light Universe, the Astral B and the Reform Planets, the return of His Divine Shadow!

    What do you think, Newfangled? Everyone?

    Sgt. Draino

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