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Okay, I got me another prediction!
What has been the object of our crew throughout the entire series?
“… And now we are looking for a new home.”
It’s obvious. I think the series will end with our crew deciding that Earth will be their new home.
So, I guess I’m definitely predicting that Earth will NOT be destroyed.
I’ll also predict that most of the Lexx crew will survive, the possible exceptions being 790 and Kai. I think Kai will, to some degree, be “alive” before the end. Not too sure how he’ll end up, though. Hopefully not atomized or disintegrated.
I suspect the Lexx will die (though I wish it wouldn’t), but I also suspect they will at least hint at a baby Lexx (or possibly the first member of the Insect Civilization).
I’m also hoping they do the Cycle of Time, but I think the chances could go either way on that one. Not enough info to make a prediction. I wish they would, though. It’s been referred to and hinted at in every season, without ever getting specific about what it is, and how it happens. The Cycle of Time is one of the most unique things about the Lexx literary universe.
There sure is a lot to pack into that last episode! Mmmm. I’m trying very VERY hard not to set my expectations impossibly high.
Lexx has a wide variety of aspects that various people enjoy. Some people like certain aspects of the show more than others, based on individual taste.
1. Strangeness.
Lexx often has strange and unexpected plot developements that are hard to predict. Some people like being wowed and surprised by what they see on the show. This is probably the aspect of Lexx that is most often promoted in commercials.
2. Sexual Content.
This is probably the second-most promoted aspect of the show, to the extent that, if you watched all the commercials, you might think that Lexx was just a big porno movie set in space. It’s really not that bad (though it is considerably more than french-kissing on Friends!). There’s very little nudity. The sex on Lexx is more about wanting than getting: The characters would like to get some, but something almost always seems to stop them.
3. Comedy
Lexx likes to mock aspects of other science fiction movies and series, and often likes to lampoon real-life places, people, and attitudes. It’s also full of “dark” comedy, i.e. ordinarily serious situations that are made hilarious by their unusual context. The show has even been known to make fun of itself.
4. Epic Story
Lexx is an epic story that spans more than 6000 years, with larger-than-life AND average joe characters doing things that effect entire universes. This includes classic battles of good versus evil, that are take quite seriously. (Lexx manages to do both comedy and drama effectively). Lexx’s epic story is my personal favorite aspect of the show.
5. (Recurring) Characters
There are many interesting characters in Lexx. The main characters are themselves interesting, and there is also a wide variety of supporting characters who tend to pop up again and again, often in different “incarnations.” Fans get attached to certain characters, and are interested to see how they deal with situations, and what happens to them throughout the series.
6. Interaction
There is interesting interaction among the characters on the show, BUT there is even more interesting interaction between the fans and the actors and makers of the show! More than any other show or movie I’m aware of, the actors and creators of Lexx have graciously interacted with us, the fans. Mainly via chats and email interviews, also (naturally) via convention appearances. Of course, we fans also enjoy interacting with each other, via this site and others.
Well, that’s all I can think of at the moment. I’m sure there’s other stuff too, though.
Hey, I’ve got another prediction!
We’re definitely going to see some sort of followup on the Lexx’s liason with that little bug in Dutch Treat. The Beans were very deliberate in including that scene, so I don’t believe it was just a throwaway. Perhaps the followup will have something to do with the the Lexx “ailing” in the final episode?
I actually think “filler” does tend to have an inherent negative connotation. Here’s how I’d describe it:
Each season in Lexx tends to have an over-arcing story, during which there are other self-contained stories, or subplots that span several episodes.
Season 4 is almost an exception to this, though. It has such an ecclectic and diverse number of themes and plots, it’s difficult to label one of them as the overall seasonal story-arc. For this season, I can’t be completely sure what the main story-arc is until the last episode airs.
I would define “filler” as an episode which:
A. Has little or nothing to do with the seasonal story-arc.
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B. By default, is really not all that good.
For example, if you were going to try and show the Lexx series as a whole to a friend of yours, using as few episodes as you possibly can (say, you have limited time), the episodes you leave out would tend to be “filler.”
Now, it IS possible to have GOOD “filler” episodes. But you generally have to make special mention of the fact that the episode is still good. The gut reaction when hearing that an episode is “filler,” is that it’s an episode not worth watching.
So, there are good filler episodes, but as a general rule, “filler” episodes are not that great.
An example of (bad) Filler:
Mort
An example of good Filler:
Wake the Dead
Alternatively, “key” episodes are episodes that do deal with the over-arcing seasonal story. These episodes are, by default, good. But at the same time, there are such things as BAD key episodes.
An example of a (good) key episode:
Norb
An example of a bad key episode:
White Trash
That’s my take.
I’ll tell ya what bugs me: When reviews refer to Xenia as Lexx’s answer to Angelina Jolie!
I think AJ is highly over-rated. Xenia is much more beautiful than AJ, IMHO.
‘Course Patricia puts ’em both to shame!
I’ll be interested to see how well Viva Lexx Vegas and Trip faired, as it seemed like Sci-Fi promoted the hell out of them. A lot more commercials than for other Lexx episodes this season. IMHO, of course.
Say, here’s a good one:
At the end of 1.01, when our crew finds themselves in the Dark Zone, 790 claims to have no knowledge of the area.
But in Season 4, 790 is some kind of Dark Zone expert, right down to knowing the locations, names, and populations of planets in the Dark Zone! What gives?
Of course, the REAL answer is that the Beans wanted an easy means to exposite information about the Dark Zone, and didn’t really care much about maintaining plot consistency.
As Lex said in his latest chat:
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we are very lazy writers
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inconsistencies? On OUR show?
But I’m not complaining.
… much.
I like the idea of Vlad’s presence being connected to Drago, though I personally think that Heretics left him on Earth, not Vlad. If Vlad had brought him there, why would she stick him way out in the middle of the desert? Wouldn’t she keep him in Translvania? And wouldn’t she make it harder for him to be reactivated?
Now, here’s MY theory on Drago, completely unrelated to yours:
Drago is engineered not to attack Heretics. Stanley being Ostrol-B, Drago never attacks him, and reacts very differently towards him than anyone else. Thoughts?
Flamegrape wrote:
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For future reference, folks, please don’t bit-by-bit pick apart someone’s opinion. If the subject is debateable, then fine. But I was just giving my own review of the episode. No need to reply in hostility, sgtdraino. You sort of ticked me off, but I won’t hold that against you. You’re a good guy!
Hey, I wasn’t being hostile! At least I don’t think I was. Was I? If so, I’m sorry. I just enjoy a good debate. I wasn’t trying to pick apart your opinion, I was just illustrating my own opinion. I like to use lots of quotes so people will know I’m not taking their words out of context. And you will note that I am ALWAYS polite and civil.
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If Trip was just filler, then so was Brigadoom. Brigadoom provided motivation for the crew of the Lexx to fight Mantrid. Trip provided motivation for the crew of the Lexx to fight Lyekka
Granted, the episode gives the crew a reason to go back. But for me, it didn’t mesh well with the plot. Brigadoom’s plot elements were all well integrated. To me, the Lyekka elements of “Trip” felt like they were tacked on. I felt like the Beans were thinking, “I know, let’s do a funny hallucination episode! Oh, and we need to tack on some reason why the crew has to go back to Earth.”
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Lyekka attempted to poison Stan and Xev. Remember that part? It was the part where they ate those berries and succumbed to homicidal paranoia.
Yeah, but why try to kill them in such a complicated and uncertain way? It’s like the outrageous plots to kill Adam West’s Batman in the classic series. Lyekka could have just given them a couple of berries that would have a delayed-reaction fatal effect. Say, 48 hours, and they both suddenly drop dead. Why risk them not offing each other? And what are the odds that they would actually succeed in killing each other simultaneously?
Answer: The Beans just wanted to do a fun hallucination episode.
As usual, they care more about setting up certain situations. They don’t really care much about how they get there, or out they get out to the next situation. It’s all about the situation.quote
Nope, sorry. I wasn’t disappointed. I like undead Kai the way he is.
Truthfully, I do to. You can do a lot more with him in a story, while he’s dead. But there is still that urge to see him alive. Really alive, and not just someone’s hallucinated idea of what he’d be like.
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Simple answer: Kai is doomed. He will DIE. Will Prince keep his promise and allow him to live? That doesn’t have you in suspense?
It might, if the Beans were doing something to build up that suspense. But there doesn’t seem to really be anything to hint at anything, except that Prince said he would, and there’s only two episodes left. Other than that, things seem basically status quo to me.
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In season 2, the crew of the Lexx had no choice but to deal with Mantrid in one way or another. They chose the heroic path. Here in season 4, they don’t have to go back and save the stupid little blue planet. They chose to return to Earth and face peril. That takes real courage.
Interesting point. Actually, they don’t really seem to be worried at all about facing Lyekka. They seem to agonize more over the prospect of killing her, than they do worrying about any danger to themselves. That actually seems a bit out of character to me. Shouldn’t Stan be whining about it being too dangerous to take Lyekka on?
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But I’ll be sure to make a version of my Xev videogame character without any underwear! (heh, heh, heh…)
Cool picture! I think that is actually technically part of her dress, though. She really did say she doesn’t wear underwear. Or socks.
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You don’t know that for certain. The food dispensor squirting blood is out of the ordinary. Prince teleporting about, screwing with people’s minds is not anything new.
‘Course I don’t know it for certain. But in my opinion, it was simply part of their hallucinations.
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The point I was trying to make is that the viewer gets to see Kai live and breathe, even if it’s just a dream.
Yeah, but for those of us who wonder what Kai was like when he was alive, this episode really offers nothing. All we see is what Stan and Xev imagine him to be like.
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Speak for yourself. It could be part of the reason why the Vlad subplot existed in the first place.
I hope it is! But I bet it isn’t. There’s too little time left. I wish they would, but I bet they won’t touch on it.
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But who was the “medicine man” that guided our heros? I think that might be Prince.
Prince is utterly and completely bad. He would never help them, and he’s not on Earth anymore, so he doesn’t care what happens to it.
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Why did Prince tell both of them to go to the cryochamber? Kai was there to save them.
Eh, he didn’t tell them. (at least not on the SFC airing I saw). They ran off the Bridge chasing each other, the show went to commercial, and when it came back on, they were running into the Cryochamber. As far as I can tell, no one directed them to go there. They just happened to run that way, and knock over the cryopod control.
Elmey wrote:
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Actually, at the end Kai says he’s been in his cryopod since Stan ate his berry which would make that part of the hallucination.
Just watched it again, Elmey, and you’re right. Kai’s singing was hallucinated.
Here’s an oddity though: The weapons that Stan and Xev hallucinate apparently became real, since Kai wrestles one out of Xev’s hands when he saves them. Now how is THAT possible!!??
Flamegrape wrote:
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And I know someone is going to say it’s just another “filler” episode.
This is just another filler episode.
Don’t get me wrong, it was a very NICE filler episode. A good example of filler, as opposed to a bad example of filler (ie Mort).Yes, there was that minor tie-in of the revelation that Lyekka is an enemy, but to me it felt cobbled-on. Mostly this episode was a simple excuse to get wacky with a plot totally unconstrained by the bounds of reality. If Lyekka was really out to eliminate them, it would have been simpler to just poison them, than to make them paranoid.
But I don’t want to come down to hard. The interaction and comedy of this episode was GREAT. Very funny. All the performances were excellent, and we were quite entertained. Lexx’s lines to Stan about killing Xev was my personal favorite moment. And I agree with JumpingJedi, the singing WAS nice.
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All you smegheads (j/k) that have been bashing season 4 can’t possibly convince me it’s a bad episode in any way!
Well, I like a challenge.
1. “It was all a dream” episodes tend to be inherently disappointing. You’ve got to admit you were a bit disappointed that Kai was still dead at the end. I know I was.
2. It’s high time they got serious, for the big finale. In the previous seasons, things have always gotten heavy and edge-of-your-seat towards the end. Yet we are still frollicking about with light comedy, and no real sense of impending doom. Only two episodes left, and next week’s doesn’t look serious either!
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Finally the one and only important question has been answered. I’ve been wondering about it for a long time. Just what color is Xev’s underwear!?! Yes! YES! Now I finally know! RIGHT ON!
Eh, Xev already told us that she doesn’t wear underwear. Did you see underwear? where?
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I wonder if that was really Prince or just a hallucination?
Hallucination.
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Before the beginning of this episode, I turned to my friend and said, “It’s all going to be a dream, or something like that. Kai won’t come back to life.” It turns out I was right about that, but I don’t mind. At least you get to see Live-Kai again.
But you didn’t. It was just an hallucination.
And on top of that, I like Lexx better when it’s NOT predictable.quote
At the end of the episode, did we see Stan kick 790 off the bridge?
I believe we did, yes.
Of course, Vlad threw him off in Magic Baby and he wasn’t even scratch, while he broke when he fell off in Fire and Water. So who knows?quote
The cryopod controls are wrecked. Can they fix them or are they screwed?
Kai says they can’t be repaired. Although there is a working cryopod underneath Castle Dracul… but we’re betting the Beans aren’t going to mess with it.
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And what about Dr. Longbore?
Weird how they just seem to drop that plot point. In Dutch Treat, Kai seemed determined to put an end to Longbore, but that was four episodes ago. It seems to have slipped his mind.
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Prince and his promise?
Only two episodes left. And in the previews for next week, Kai still looks dead. I personally predict that Prince will not keep his promise until the very last episode.
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But they’re actually going to do it! A Godzilla-sized Lyekka stomping around Tokyo. Even better, the Japanese buildings and aircraft look like those toy models they used in all those monster movie! LMAO!
Yes, yes. Laugh-out-loud funny. I miss the more serious days.
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First, whose fantasy was it when Xev & Stan first go to the cryochamber & see Kai singing to his “gift”? Xev’s, Stan’s, or both (??).
That part was reality.
Here’s a few more inconsistencies I thought of:
1. Lexx and the Fractal Core
Episodes: 1.01, 1.04
Inconsistency: When Lexx first goes through the Fractal Core in 1.01, much of his memory is erased. but when he goes through the Fractal Core again in 1.04, TWICE, no apparent erasure occurs.
Explanation: After going through the Fractal Core the first time, Lexx became accustomed to its effects, and adapted.
Rating: 1
2. Destruction of the Giga Shadow
Episodes: 1.04, 2.01
Inconsistency: In 2.01, the voice of HDS tells us that the Giga Shadow was destroyed by the Lexx (and we see a shot of the Lexx blowing up the Cluster), but we all REALLY know the Giga shadow was destroyed by the Fractal Core, when its positive mass got tangled up in the Fractal Core’s anti-mass, after Squish bit into its brain. Why does HDS say the Lexx destroyed it?
Explanation: Perhaps the narration is being done by the remnant essence left in Kai, which was transfered before the Giga Shadow was destroyed… ergo this remnant isn’t sure how the Giga Shadow bought it. OR perhaps HDS blames the Lexx because the Giga Shadow was attached to the Lexx when it got pulled into the Fractal Core.
Rating: 2
3. Stan’s Magic Security Guard Uniform
Episodes: 2.02, and episodes after it.
Inconsistency: In 2.02, Kai fires his brace through Stan’s jumpsuit, puncturing Stan’s heart. But in later episodes, there is no evidence of any hole in the fabric of Stan’s uniform. Also, in Xevivor, Stan’s boots magically transform into lace-up combat boots when he has to do physical stuff.
Explanation: Stan’s uniform (and most clothes of his era) are made of the same little thingies Kai’s clothes are made of, which clean and repair themselves. But the boots? Eh… hrm.
Maybe he took ’em off one of the dead muscle guys when no one was looking?Rating: 2-3
Oh goody, more stuff!
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But I don’t think the insects ever travelled to the Dark Zone, or even knew about the fractal core, let alone created it (fractal cores being natural phenomonon).
Are they? At any rate, even if they are, it doesn’t mean this one is.
Here’s an interesting point for you, though: In Super Nova, in the Memory Catacombs, we see the memory of Kraito being awarded the Medal of Ultimate Honor, for defeating the Insects at the Battle of Virian. The Brunnen-G presenter says, “All Brunnen-G, all human races, are forever in your debt.”
Since the Brunnen-G live in the Dark Zone, but believe that all human races (in both zones, apparently) are in Kraito’s debt for defeating the Insects, then the Insects must have posed some sort of threat to both universes.
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In that case you simply switch the thing (the shield) off entirely. No need for secret doors and codes etc.
I don’t think the shield could be easily switched off. Otherwise, the Brunnen-G on Brunnis II would have turned it off when they decided they all wanted to die. But we are told the shield is destroyed by the Divine Order.
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I don’t think so, didn’t the Gigashadow use a similar (black sheet) attack on the Lexx (or am I imaging that?)
‘Fraid you’re imagining it. The Giga Shadow never “fired” anything. It just used that extending appendage to harpoon the Lexx.
But I think the Insects must have possessed some sort of ranged weapon to pose any real threat to the two universes, and I think HDS’s ability to fire “blacksheets” directly out of his body was a manifestation of that weapon.
On a side note, here’s an interesting exchange from The End of the Universe:
Xev: Kai, how did your Brunnen-G ancestors defeat the Insects?
Kai: The Brunnen-G had fewer resources but much greater resourcefulness. The Insects were intelligent but methodical… and therefore, ultimately predictable. That was their weakness.
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A couple of comments about Vlad. Anna Cameron’s cameo notwithstanding, Vlad is not the Time Prophet and the Time Prophet is not Vlad.
In her first appearance, Vlad says that she found, interrogated and killed the time prophet. End of story.
Like Cat said, Vlad could have been lying. Or that could have even been what Vlad was programmed to believe.
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As to the relationship between Vlad and
Kai. Vlad came first. Alex Busby mentioned that she was 8000 years old. Minna Aaltonen said that Vlad was much older than Kai, by thousands of years.
That would indeed indicate that, at the time those statements were made, the Anna Cameron factor was a coincidence. But the literary possibility remains open, and I think it’s an interesting one. The Beans can always change their minds about things as the series progresses, as I’m sure they have done many times in the past.
btw, who is Alex Busby again?
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790 is *definitely* the epitome of an unreliable narrator in Rated: LEXX. His views and perceptions are entirely biased and he makes no bones about that. Consider his characterization of Stanley Tweedle.
His characterization of Tweedle is an opinion open to interpretation. His statements about the Divine Order and their attack on Brunnis 2 are either facts or lies, with little room for interpretation. And 790 would have no reason to lie about such historical events.
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Second, I’m not sure there’s any evidence to suggest that the Ostral B visited Brunnis or Brunnis 2.
We know that they are familiar with the Brunnen-G, and we know they visited the Dark Zone.
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The pathway to the Dark Zone was described as path to a realm inaccessible to his shadow. A fallback position for the heretics, or an emergency escape hatch.
In order for the Ostrol-B to know it was a realm innaccessible to His Shadow, they would have had, to some degree or other, to have explored it. Otherwise, how do they know the Fractal Core goes anywhere at all?
Technically speaking, it’s even possible that the people who lived on Brunnis that HDS killed, were Ostrol-B and not Brunnen-G! They could have set up a temporary colony to explore the planet. The Predecessors do not outright say the victims were Brunnen-G, they just say they lived on Brunnis.
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Vlad was specifically created as a Divine Executioner to destroy Divine Assassins.
This suggests that the Divine Order
was much older than even Vlad.
Yeah, but how much older is “much older?” 100 years ain’t long when you’re looking at millenia, but HDS might have been able to develope the assassin/executioner tech in that timeframe.
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However, Vlad’s maximum apparent age of 8,000 years is still within the time frame
of the visitor to the Time Prophet in Supernova, which with adjustments, works out to be approximately 9400 years.
I’m not happy taking the 8,000 year figure for granted, unless it was referenced on the show, or came directly from a Bean. Nor am I quite prepared to concede that Vlad is older than Kai.
The Cycle of Time is one of the few themes that continues to be touched on throughout the entire series, in every season. yet it is kept mysterious and never quite explained. Considering the predominant emblem for the series is the Divine Order “wheel,” along with the many other circle and wheel references that appear in the series, I think ending the series with the Cycle of Time would be perfect.
I don’t know if TNT is currently showing it, but how about:
The Adventures of Brisco County Jr.
This was a relatively short-lived series from the early 90s, starring Bruce “Don’t Call Me Ash” Campbell. It’s set in the old West of the late 19th century.
While styled like a Western, it has very definite elements of sci-fi. And like Lexx, the show has both serious and comedic elements, and manages to do both effectively.
The overall plot:
The big baddies, John Bly and his Gang of Twelve, escape custody and murder US Marshal Brisco County (the main character’s Dad, played by legendary R. Lee “Full Metal Jacket” Ermey). The son, Brisco County Jr., is the bounty hunter hired to track them all down.
Meanwhile, a mysterious object called The Orb has been unearthed in a mining operation. It’s a large metallic sphere which contains glowing rods. The rods seem able to charge whoever touches them with tremendous power.
Naturally, Bly is out to get the Orb, and ultimately take over the world. But there is a surprise twist to Bly and the Orb that I shouldn’t give away.
As the series progresses, Brisco is helped and hindered by a wide variety of interesting regular characters. The overall story-arc is Brisco’s mission to bring Bly and his Gang of Twelve to justice, and Brisco’s ultimate destiny with The Orb. Really well-written.
Similarities to Lexx:
1. Unorthodox sci-fi elements
2. Both serious and comedic sides
3. Memorable characters
4. Individual stories combined with a series-wide story-arc
5. Episodes that parody other well-known stories.
6. Unorthodox plots.Anybody seen this series besides me? It’s definitely worth a look. I’d definitely nominate it as “alternative sci-fi.”
Here’s a link for more info:
Looking at the preview again, it actually looks to me like the Kai-Alive part might actually be real. Naturally they start tripping at some point, but I think Kai might actually be brought back in this one.
After all, can the dead trip?
I guess we’ll find out tomorrow!
I really have no predictions. I started writing scripts for three movie sequels, but had to stop, because the show is getting so unpredictable!
The only predictions I have is that Stan, Bunny, and Priest will not die, because that is what folks with the show have hinted at.
For the rest, I have only hopes:
I do hope the end of the show WILL deal with the cycle of time, as that is a fairly major plot point with my scripts.
I also hope the Lexx will not be destroyed. Our crew is rather inept without the most powerful weapon in the two universes. Yeah, I could probably come up with a replacement, but it wouldn’t have the epic history inherent to the Lexx.
I also hope Kai will not be written out in such a way that it’s utterly impossible to write him back in.
See, at the start of the series, Kai is telling “our story” to someone. At some point, I want to come back to that.
Warsaw wrote:
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If tehy all destroy entire planets, then isn’t that the best you can do?
In the Star Wars novels there’s a small ship called the Sun Crusher, which fires a special torpedo that makes stars go supernova, thus destroying entire planetary systems.
Not a bad ep, and it’s always nice to see Kai kicking arse.
I think the existence of Drago, killed by Kai thousands of years earlier and buried on Earth by Heretics, pretty much destroys the possibility that our crew is already in the next cycle of time. Thoughts?
I think this new Lyekka did what the original plant did: She took her form from Stanley’s dreams. The original said she would live on in his dreams, and now we see how. The new Lyekka based herself on the memories of the old Lyekka. She read Stan’s throughts.
The Game was good, but Brigadoom is still my favorite.
IMHO, Brigadoom was revolutionary and nearly flawlessly executed, while I felt The Game did have a few weak points:
1. Kai says he gains the memories of those he kills, something that’s never been hinted at before. Probably a misspoken line.
2. Kai says he “wants” and “likes” something, when before he’s always said the dead have no wants or likes. And this is, of course, before he wins the game, so he can’t have a soul already.
3. Kai speaks of the Other Zone and the Dream Zone, two things that seem to come out of nowhere, from way over in left field, out of the blue (enough metaphors?).
4. I thought the Stan and Xev “disappearing” effects were lame.
5. The end of the episode seems abrupt and anticlimactic. There’s no real hint that anything was accomplished.Don’t get me wrong, I’d still rate The Game as one of the best Lexx episodes of all time. But for me at least, Brigadoom retains the number one spot.
Hey Aleck, I’ve been wondering:
Season 2 was always four eps per dvd, but Season 3 consists of 13 episodes. Volume One has four, do you know yet how you’re going to split up the rest?
The Frey wrote:
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Lex Gigeroff will be in Sadgeezer Chat on Saturday April 6th at 8 pm est,
Hooray! Naturally, I’m due to be out of town with relatives for Easter on that date, with no access to the internet. Typical!
Ah well, I will try to pull some strings and get online somehow. But just in case I can’t, I’ll make a list of questions I’d REALLY like somebody to ask Lex. I will edit this post as I think of more questions.
Here they are (in rough order of importance):
1. If Brunnis 2’s shield is normally impenetrable from both sides (Brigadoom), how did His Divine Shadow end up killing some people who lived on Brunnis (Super Nova)?
2. In Super Nova, on Brunnis, Stanley views the memory of someone talking to the Time Prophet, who died 5,000 years before Stanley’s visit. Since Brigadoom indicates that Brunnis 2 is 6,000-10,000 years old, who is this guy? Is he Brunnen-G, or just some explorer?
3. Did the last surviving Insect first transfer his essence to a human body before or after the Brunnen-G raised their shield on Brunnis 2?
4. We’ve noticed the Time Prophet and old Vlad were played by the same actress, and in The Game they were both Bishops. Could the Time Prophet actually BE Vlad? Transformed by His Shadow’s bio-scholars?
5. Is the Time Prophet only located in the Light Universe? Her “tiny planet” is called an “uncertain moon.” What does this mean? If she is only in the Light Universe, how is she aware of certain events in the Dark Zone? (Super Nova).
6. We’ve noticed the Ostral-B have certain similarities with the Brunnen-G. Like the Brunnen-G, the Ostral-B designed an insect-based craft (the Lexx), and protected their Reform Planets with shields (like Brunnis 2). In the first movie, Thodin recognizes Kai as Brunnen-G, and knows about the prophecy. Also, one of Stanley’s Ostral-B codes is the location of the Fractal Core, a doorway to the Dark Zone, and potentially Brunnis. Is there a special relationship between the Ostral-B and the Brunnen-G? If so, what?
7. Some fans have theorized that “cycles of time” refers to the universes expanding, collapsing, and then expanding again in another big bang, being reborn in cycles. If this is true, did “time end” and then “begin again” when the Light Universe collapsed? If not, what do “cycles of time” really mean?
8. In “The Game,” Kai says, “I have the memories of the many great men I killed.” As an assassin, did Kai steal the memories of his victims? Or did Michael mis-speak the line?
9. Also in “The Game,” Kai says Brunnen-G life-essences reside in the “Dream Zone.” Could this zone be related to the mysterious theatre in Brigadoom, that told the story of the Brunnen-G?
10. Some sources say Cluster Lizards are the only indigeneous life on the Cluster. If this is true, and their favorite food is brains, how did they survive there before it was populated?
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One slight wrinkle in the parasite theory:
A Cluster Lizard’s favorite food is brains.
If they were parasites on the Insect, what would they eat? When Squish got into the Giga Shadow’s brain, the Giga Shadow reacted violently, so you wouldn’t think they could feed/live on the Insect’s brain as a parasite would.
And if they are the only indiginous life on the Cluster, what the heck do they eat there? Each other?
I got no answers on this one.
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Hate to put a dampener on the lively dabate but here is why the insect wars must have been in BOTH universes.
The giga-shaddow can not cross borders as you recall when it did it collapsed the portal!
Actually, that would be a reason why the Wars could only take place in the Light Universe.
But the Giga Shadow collapsed the Fractal Core because it was simply to big to fit through it. My theory is, the Giga Shadow is much larger than a normal Insect. It’s been slowing growing in size and strength for many thousands of years. The average Insect during the Insect Wars may have been able to fit through the Fractal Core. In fact, I believe the Insects created the Fractal Core.
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10,000 years from Brigadoom.. who says that is literal? I’d think it more like a couple of thousand.. who would keep count that long, especially as they could barely remember their names (compare with Matthew 18 where Peter asks Jesus how if you should forgive a man 7 times, and Jesus says no, 70 times 7. It doesn’t mean 490 literally)
That is a good point, and I had wondered about that. Let’s look at the two individual quotes. First, from “Dull, Dull, Dull”:
“What kind of a life is that, 10,000 years with her?”
From that context, it’s possible the New Born singing the line (to Brunnen-G Elder Lett) is simply pointing out that 10,000 years with the geezer’s wife would suck. That amount of time might not have already passed, it might just be an example of a bad potential outcome of immortality.
From “Too Much To Remember”:
“It’s a funny thing how time flies, 6,000 years go by so fast.”
This line, sung by Groo, (the geezer’s wife), seems to rather concretely state a literal passage of time. So, I think Brunnis 2 is at least 6,000 years old. But the 10,000 year figure is somewhat softer.
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Marty Simon voiced brain 14, he was the voice that calls out “The Prophecy is upon us!” on the journey to the Lexx.
All the brains know about the prophecy, as when HDS talks of commanding the Lexx himself, they all cry out, “BUT THE PROPHECY!”
They prolly just told each other about it, but may not know the specific wording (which is why they look into the Dunsworth DP).
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The shield around Brunnis 2 was impenetrable, from both directions. The Brunnen-G shut themselves off from the universe, they didn’t want to leave the planet, no longer wanted to see what was going on outside and sure as heck didn’t want anyone to come in, there was no code.
That is possible. The wording of the first song certainly suggests the shield cannot be penetrated from either side. That again leaves us with the question of how HDS killed Brunnen-G who lived on Brunnis. Of course, even if the shield is impassable from either side, we don’t know when the weak points first appeared, or if any other Brunnen-G knew about them.
And it still seems unlikely to me that the Brunnen-G would essentually trap themselves on their own planet. As a race that develops a great fear of death, trapping themselves so that they CANNOT leave their planet seems contrary to their nature. What about natural disasters? You’d think they’d leave themselves some kind of means of escape.
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Brunnen-G may have been killed by a Shadow possesed individual long before the forming of the Divine Order, assuming that the events shown at the beginning of Mantrid occured before the erection of the shield.
That is also possible. It’s something we can only guess at, at this point.
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Thodin knew about the Brunnen-G presumably because some records still existed of the Insect Wars and the Brunnen-G’s part in them.
But Thodin also knew about the Prophecy, which was originally known only by the Time Prophet, Kai, the dead on Brunnis 2, and His Shadow. You’d think HDS would keep a lid on that info getting out anywhere else, if he could help it.
Valdron wrote:
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“Shooting black sheets from your body is a pretty impressive power.” But it may not have been an inherent shadow power, it may have been technological. Alternately, so what, anyone with a blackpak could do the same. Shooting bullets out of your navel might impress the locals, but you’re not going to be the new Pope.
Aw, come on. There’s no reason to believe it wasn’t an inherent power. Besides which, inherent or not, what matters is that it was god-like (which it was). I can “walk on water” using water skis and not impress anybody. But do it Jesus-style, I might drop some jaws.
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HDS did not manifest ‘godlike’ powers, so far as I know, there was effective immortality, possibly longevity of bodies, the memory stealing thing, and a few shadow tricks like walking around without a brain.
HDS was clearly a god-figure in the religion of the Divine Order:
1. Thodin calls it a “false religion.”
2. The Order is run by “Clerics,” a religious term.
3. Clerics work in “temples,” again religious.
4. Enemies are called “Heretics,” a religious term.
5. Citizens are refered to as “His Shadows loyal followers,” indicating a religion.
6. Citizens use “I worship His Shadow” as a greeting, and “May His Shadow fall upon you” as a parting comment.
7. Definition of “Divine”: “Being or having the nature of a deity. Godlike.” Ergo, “His Godlike Shadow.”quote:
If HDS had nothing but time, I could see them playing a careful game, expanding gradually, forever consolidating, bursts and consolidation.
In short, in my view, its entirely possible that the Divine Order existed in some form before the migration to Brunnis 2.
I will concede it is possible, if you will concede the opposite is also possible.
We just don’t know.quote
790’s statement on first reading seems to suggest a recent wave of expansion 2000 years before. But it doesn’t say it was the first such wave, although that inference might be drawn. Nor does it give any background on the prior development. It may be consistent with 790 to say that the expansion referred to was only the latest in a series of them over a dozen millenia.
790:
“When His Divine Shadow became powerful, and started to take over the Light Universe, one of the first planets he attacked was Brunnis 2, the Brunnen-G planet.”
“… and started to take over the Light Universe…” This indicates no prior periods of expansion. Otherwise, it would be said he “started” back then, and not during Kai’s time. He wouldn’t “start” to take over the universe over a period of 6,000-10,000 years. The only potential thing that may have come before, is that “His Shadow became powerful.” This could mean just about anything, I suppose, EXCEPT that he’d already started to take over the Light Universe.
790 actually insinuates that becoming powerful and starting the takeover happened at the same time.quote
Alternately, 790 might be considered an unreliable narrator. Certainly, he is a biased and unreliable narrator injecting his personal views and prejudices into other aspects of 790.
Not in this instance, I think, as 790 and the Lexx were in some sort of spacial distortion that made them extra-lucid, and gave them both greater insights into what the history of the situation was.
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Essentially, Sgt. it seems to me that your
theory calls for disregarding at least some statements. It’s tempting to do so. But I think that a theory which most succesfully incorporates the most statements wins out.
I’m not trying to “win out,” I’m simply trying to get to the bottom of the situation, so I can finish my Insect Wars script and send it in.
This is a fun discussion, but after a point, we’re not going to get any further until we can interview some Beans.quote
The Gigashadow, referring to the first individual he took over says “And I became the first Divine Shadow…”
Actually, he says:
“I became His Divine Shadow, the most powerful ruler in the two universes.”
It is implied that that miner was the first person known as HDS, but it is again impossible to be sure without the Beans.
I thought that statement about “the most powerful ruler in the two universes” was interesting. It implies knowledge of the Dark Zone. Not sure what to make of it, other than its similiarity to Lexx’s line:
“I am His Divine Shadow. I am the most powerful ruler in the two universes. I was born on the Cluster, which is ruled… by ME.”
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I’ll agree with that, Stan was well aware of the Insect Wars long after Kai’s death 2008 years before. I suspect that the Insect
Wars and Brunnen G were well known in legend.
It’s also reasonable to assume that the Brunnen G would have sent scouting parties all over the Light Universe looking for their new home, and followed with embassies, trading delegations, whatnot. So, in all likelihood, they’re fairly well known.
The Insect Wars had “faded into a hazy past” by the time the Brunnen-G had permanently moved into the Light Universe, 8,000+ years before Stan’s time. Now, I do believe that, at some point, the Brunnen-G and the Prophecy did become legends specifically with the Ostral-B (which is where Stan is from), but I think the majority of the universe had forgotten they existed, including His Shadow. Otherwise, Brunnis 2 would have been THE first planet destroyed, as HDS would view the people who led humanity to victory before, as his greatest threat.
Then again, we run into the Super Nova problem: HDS has already killed people who lived on Brunnis. Ergo, you’d think he would already know about Brunnis 2. Even if they hadn’t founded Brunnis 2 yet, one would think he’d at least know of their plans.
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HDS knew about the prophecy because he ate Kai and visited the Time Prophet. But Kai never got the chance to talk much to anyone
outside, so far as we know. I don’t think HDS was the kind of guy to let something like that slip out after a few beers, not if he took it seriously. And the HDS did take it seriously, after the Prophecy, they never left the Cluster.So how does Thodin know about the Prophecy?
As far as I’m concerned, the Time Prophet must have blabbed after the fact.
There’s another interesting topic. I simply can’t imagine His Divine Shadow allowing the Time Prophet to remain where she was, providing potentially valuable information to his enemies. At the very least, she would be imprisoned, and heavily guarded so only His Shadow would have access. You’d think he’d have had her cleansed. Of course, Vlad tells us that she killed the Time Prophet. And then there is the running theory that Vlad IS the Time Prophet (which I like).
I think the most likely occurence is that, once HDS was done with his visit to the Time Prophet, his bio-scholars transformed her into Vlad; HDS’s ultimate weapon against the prophecy. After all, HDS knew of the prophecy before he made Kai into an assassin. He could have simply obliterated Kai, but he wanted “punishment beyond death.” Vlad was HDS’s insurance policy that Kai would not come back to bite him in the arse.
I am more and more convinced that the Ostral-B visited Brunnis. They have clear knowledge of the Fractal Core. It was obviously an important piece of information to them, encoded and transported by their couriers. What do you guys think they might have used it for?
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The truth of it is that we can’t be sure just how much of it they thought through, or what parts. Some of this stuff they’d had in mind as early as 1993. Some of it they just pulled out of their butts on the day of shooting. Some of it, heck, some of it, they just don’t have a clue, and if you ask, you get wild guesses or sudden inspiration.
Oh, absolutely correct. I’ve seen several reviews of the first four movies, which expressed the opinion that the Beans were making it up as they went along. And they probably did. But I still enjoy trying to shape the whole thing into a more concrete history, protecting our universe from chaos and disorder.
And it further strikes me that there is SO much more to potentially explore, story-wise, with the Insect Wars, the Brunnen-G, and the Heretics’ struggle against the Divine Order. Now THAT’S a spin-off I’d like to see, which is why I keep hoping for more hints that time has ended, and begun again.
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So, I think we’ve taken this debate as far as it can go. Nothing left for you to do, Sgt. Draino, but go ahead and ask Lex G when he shows up in chat. Maybe he’s got the
answer and its all been worked out. Or maybe he’ll pull a monkey out of his butt and give you an answer that isn’t a fraction as carefully thought out as we’ve been doing. But it’ll be an answer.
Looking forward to that day, believe you me.
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I’ll have to go and get the quote from Rated: Lexx, it’s in the section dealing with Kai and his death.
Found it. 790 says:
“When His Divine Shadow became powerful, and started to take over the Light Universe, one of the first planets he attacked was Brunnis 2, the Brunnen-G planet.”
Hmmm. This would definitely imply the Divine Order didn’t do a heck of a lot before Kai’s time. The New Born saw the Divine Order conquering and destroying planet-after-planet, but apparently the Divine Order had only just started doing that.
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There’s no way, in the context of the internal evidence to say one took place before the other. Thus, we cannot prove definitively based on the histories in Mantrid and Brigadoom that the Divine Order or Brunnis 2 was established first. Both took place a substantial period after the Insect Wars.
It is difficult to say for sure, certainly. But we can theorize on what is more or less likely, based on what we do know. We can see which way the scales are tipping.
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The only way out is by attempting to interpret external evidence. At this point, Sgt. Draino, no offense, but your logic becomes circular: The Divine Order is younger because it devoured travelers from Brunnis 2, the travellers must be from Brunnis 2 because they were devoured by the Divine order, which was younger. You’ve
based your argument on a series of prepositions which are rooted in each other, going round and round. It’s an easy trap to fall into.
AH-HA! OH-HO! YOU STING ME!!! ppttt, just kidding.
My argument isn’t circular, because the first point (the Divine Order being younger than Brunnis 2) is not solely based on the second point (that the travelers must be from Brunnis 2).
The Divine Order is probably younger than Brunnis 2, because Brigadoom tells us it was “on the rise” during Kai’s time, and Rated Lexx tells us that Brunnis 2 was one of the first planets the Divine Order attacked.
The Brunnen-G killed by HDS, who originally lived on Brunnis, probably therefore came from Brunnis 2, because it seems unlikely the Divine Order was around 10,000+ years before Kai’s time, when the shields went up on Brunnis 2.
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By contrast, my argument is that the chain of inferences from the statements made in Brigadoom seem to support the notion that there was no traffic or communication after the shield went up. It’s not conclusive, but the evidence as I see it tends to go that way, and within Brigadoom’s text, there’s nothing going the other way.
In the spirit of fairness, I remembered a line which supports your theory of no traffic:
“Closed behind our mighty shield, beyond which none can fly.”
Sounds pretty definite. Of course, it also seems to fly in the face of the Super Nova info. Maybe one of the two sources was simply not being accurate, either on purpose, or by accident.
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Other cultures or travellers consulted the time prophet. We know both the Divine Shadow and Vlad did so.
The Divine Shadow may have been accessing Kai’s memories. But Vlad was on her own.
HDS clearly got the TP’s location from Kai’s memory. Naturally this info would have been passed on to Vlad when she was sent on her mission. We actually DON’T see or hear of any other cultures visiting the Time Prophet.
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The best evidence is that his memory record is in the Burst of Life place. Unfortunately, we are clearly shown in Supernova that it has been made by Poetman as a trap for the unwary.
Actually, the Burst of Life place has NOT been made into a trap for the unwary. Poetman tries to trick everyone into going into the Love place, not the Burst of Life place. He tries to talk them OUT of going into any of the other rooms, because he’s only interested in propagating his seed.
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As a final note, Sgt. Draino, you are arguing that the Divine Order would have expanded exponentially upon founding. I’m not sure if that applies. On Earth, for instance, Islam expanded exponentially. Christianity had to slog for 1800 years to get where it is today.
Obviously there are few certainties when it comes to Lexx. We are dealing more in probabilities. Some religions are more aggressive than others. I see the Divine Order as being extremely… pro-active.
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The US reached its present borders in little more than a century. Alexanders empire was a single short lifetime. That’s just on one planet. The Light Universe is an incredibly big place. It’s an interesting argument you’ve made, but profoundly unprovable.
A man with god-like powers can take over a planet in 100 years. A planet lead by a man with god-like powers can take over another planet in a single day.
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Okay, I just got off the phone with John Dunsworth. *He* was the Voice of the Divine Shadow/Divine Predecessor who killed Kai in IWHS and Gigashadow, and the Game. So that
settles that.
Hooray! Mystery solved! Cool. Now, for the next mystery…
What is John Dunsworth’s phone number?
Anyone? Anyone?
But seriously, Valdron, think we could get him to do a chat with us sometime?
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Yeee-haaaaww! More good discussion! For simplicity, I’m going to separate the Valdron quotes and the DalekTek quotes into two groups, even though that places the posts out of order in some spots.
Valdron wrote:
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The fact remains that it couldn’t have been other memories seized from the fall of Brunnis 2. That HDS was destroyed when Kai took his memories back.
I tend to agree. Although one would think the memories would pass on to each successive DP in a compound interest effect, the way the DP that killed Kai talks in IWHS, it sounds like the DPs only keep memories specific to what they did:
“Predecessors, look into me. I was the one who took his life. I have his memories.”
Perhaps only the Insect Essence gets the “compound interest.”
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I too have noted the contradictory statement of Kai about the Brunnen G in Supernova. I assume that Kai’s reference has to be to the archaic brunnen g of the dark zone, before the move to the light universe, and before the shield.
Well, Zev is looking for a way to bring the dead back to life. Kai is correct in saying the Brunnen-G never did unlock that particular secret. I think his answer is in that context. But it is funny how close the wording is between Kai’s statement and the Master’s statement.
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As for whether there was traffic beyond the shield after it went up. Did the Brunnen G ever leave after the shield, but before Kai.
I would have to say that there is no evidence whatsoever to support that contention. At best, we can only support such a notion by seeking ambiguity in statements which would seem to imply no traffic, and no communication.
There are two pieces of evidence already stated:
1. Stanley touches the memory of someone who died on Brunnis 5000 years earlier. The odds still favor that this person was Brunnen-G.
2. His Shadow has killed several Brunnen-G who lived on Brunnis. The only way that seems possible is if Brunnen-G travelled beyond the shield during the time of the Divine Order (perhaps going to Brunnis to die?) and were intercepted by His Shadow.
There may be no definitive answer on this subject, but I think there is more evidence to suggest they traveled some, than there is evidence to suggest they never left the confines of the shield.
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Isolationism was not a sudden thing. According to the MOC, by the time the Brunnen G had made it into the light universe, the insect wars were forgotten, man had fallen to warring with himself, and nobody cared about the Brunnen G. I think that the decision to build the barrier was a product of an isolationism that had been building for a while.
I’ll give you that. According to the Master, things happened in this order:
1. New home in the Light Universe.
2. Man fighting against man.
3. Brunnen-G turned inward.
4. They put up a great defensive shield.
5. Halted their aging process.However, just because they isolated themselves from other cultures, that doesn’t mean they never went beyond their shield for their own selfish purposes.
For example, perhaps the defensive shield needs a certain mineral to fuel it. Perhaps, at some point, this mineral was becoming scarce on Brunnis 2, but might be mined from another planet. Maybe… oh… Aurilium 4?
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My best guess is that HDS and the Divine Order emerged while the Brunnen G were still in the Dark Zone, was active when they crossed over into the Light Universe, and
expanded slowly or quickly over the next 10 millenia.
I don’t think so. In Mantrid, the last surviving Insect tells us how he hid himself inside a small planetoid, and then waited. There’s no telling how long he had to wait.
When the Brunnen-G make their home in the Light Universe, there is no mention of the Divine Order, only man fighting against man. And in fact, the Divine Order is only seen to be “on the rise” when the New Born look out through the weak points in their shield. If the Divine Order was only “on the rise” around the time of Kai’s death, and the Brunnen-G put up a shield and conquered their mortality 10,000 years before that, it seems clear the Divine Order had not begun that far back.
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How long does it take, anyway, to conquer 20,000 worlds?
Obviously HDS did not have to conquer all 20,000. As Thodin tells us in IWHS, the Divine Order is a false religion. It is more of a religious cult, than a typical empire, centered around its mysterious leader with god-like powers. HDS probably expanded his influence through a combination of religious conversion, and outright conquering. The Divine Order would expand at an exponential rate (compound interest again). They are “on the rise” at the time of Kai’s death, and at the height of their power during Stan’s time.
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Of course, there is the comment by 790 in Rated: Lexx that the Divine Order had begun its expansion and that Brunnis 2 was the first big target.
Ooh, which dvd is that segment on? That is an interesting comment. Note, however, that the New Born look through the weak points and see the Divine Order “conquering and destroying planet-after-planet.” I’d be interested in hearing the exact 790 quote, as the “planet-after-planet” seems to be incompatible with Brunnis 2 being the first big target (unless it’s a “big target” in terms of importance and significance for HDS).
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This would imply that the Divine Order is much younger than Brunnis 2,
and this creates a quandary in assessing the info from Supernova.
It sounds like Mantrid, Brigadoom, and Rated Lexx all imply that the Divine Order *is* much younger than Brunnis 2. This means that what we heard in Super Nova again indicates that Brunnen-G did occasionally travel beyond the shield.
DalekTek wrote:
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I always thought the idea of His Divine Shadow absorbing the memories of many Brunnen-G was a little odd, since he only killed one personally, but it’s the only logical explanation for how Kai received their memories. It is tatted time and again that he possesses the memories of many Brunnen-G killed in the destruction of Brunnis-2, and he could only have gotten them from the Divine Predecessor.
This actually tickles my memory. I do seem to recall something about Kai saying he had the memories of everyone killed on Brunnis 2, but I can’t remember where. Heck, it might have simply been something said on one of these boards. Can anybody source this? If he did say that, it shakes things up a bit.
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But there’s no plausible explanation for how a Brunnen-G could have died on Brunnis-1 5,000 standard years before the Fall of His Shadow.
Sure there is. He traveled beyond the shield and went to Brunnis. And remember, the location of Brunnis is not common knowledge. Even 790 doesn’t know where it is. Kai only knows because of what he learned in school on Brunnis 2. And note that when the Time Prophet mentions the memory catacombs on Brunnis, the guy doesn’t react with any surprise or curiosity. If he weren’t Brunnen-G, you’d think he’d say, “what the heck is that?”
But I will devil’s advocate: The Ostral-B know about the Brunnen-G (“you look Brunnen-G”), the prophecy (“could this be the fulfillment of the prophecy?”), and the Fractal Core (Stanley’s other code revealing a location beyond the reach of His Shadow). All this could indicate they visited Brunnis.
And on a side-note of devil’s advocacy, I now tend to think the shield cannot be easily turned off: The majority of Brunnen-G on Brunnis 2 invited HDS to come and kill them, but Brunnis 2’s defensive shield was destroyed by the Divine Order. If the shield could easily be turned off, then the Brunnen-G elders would have done so… to allow HDS to kill them with a minimum of fuss.
It is more likely their shield worked the same way Reform Planet shields worked: the shield remains up, but a code allows friendly vessels to pass through the shield without being destroyed.
DalekTek wrote:
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I don’t think any Brunnen-G from Brunnis-2 went to Brunnis-1 to die. Any deaths on Brunnis-2 would have been sudden and unexpected (except for “death by aging” as a form of execution).
And any number of lingering diseases that may have plagued them. Or simply getting tired of living, for that matter. Some may have gone to Brunnis to die simply because they were ready to. In fact, the way the programming is set up, death and memory preservation seems to be regarded as a pleasant thing by the Brunnen-G.
Valdron wrote:
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Now, this doesn’t say flat out that they
never ever went beyond the shield again, but
I would suggest that the reference to ‘sphere of silence’ was preffy close.
They’d cut themselves off from the Universe.
Certainly the shield (without weak points) made it so they couldn’t see out, and made it so people can’t traverse the shield without a key to the door, but it’s another thing to say whether or not they can travel beyond the shield, switch it on or off, or turn part of it off.
Sphere of silence means they cut off the outside universe… but it doesn’t mean they couldn’t venture out if they felt like it.
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MOC: By Kai’s time, the defensive shields that protected Brunnis-2 from the rest of the universe were
thousands of years old. Kai and his new born friends discovered that the shields had over time developed
weak points that allowed them to see into the universe beyond, and what they saw was not good. Their
universe was one of war and chaos, his Divine Shadow’s order was on the rise conquering and destroying
planet after planet. Kai knew that he had to travel beyond the shields to learn his planets fate,
You will note, however, that “weak points” are not equated to traveling beyond the shield. Perhaps traveling beyond the shield is something unrelated to whether the shield has weak points or not.
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This clearly implies that the shields worked both ways, consistent with the ‘sphere of silence.’ The Brunnen G could not see out,
and presumably could not leave at all.
That is, indeed, a presumption.
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I can’t imagine them building doors into their shield but not building windows.
Perhaps that is simply a nature of the technology that could not be circumvented. You can travel beyond it, but you can’t see through it.
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MOC: The Brunnen-G were angry, angrier than anyone could
remember. Kai was accused of betraying them, by breaching the shields, of opening the door, to enemies
who could destroy them.
My impression of this scene, was that the New Born discovered the weak points, but that most Brunnen-G were not aware that they existed. When Kai traveled out, came back, and blabbed out his story to everyone, the weak points were discovered by everyone… and blamed on Kai.
Earlier, when the Brunnen-G are telling Kai to “stay behind,” there’s no implication that exploring will destroy the shields. Otherwise, I think they’d have been a bit more adamant! There were no cries of…
Stay, within these ancient walls,
Stay, within these ghostly halls,
Stay behiiiiiiiiind…
Or you’ll break our shields.Actually, they say “close the door.” And they say it long before Kai leaves, implying the “door” can be opened and closed.
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This doesn’t say exactly that there was no communication with the outside world since the shields went up. But the implication is there.
Ergo, there’s no suggestion that the Brunnen G ever went beyond their walls for any reason after their Shield went up, but plenty of references which support the notion that there was no communication or travel at all.
First, we also don’t know whether communication is related to the weak points or not.
Second, it is unlikely the Brunnen-G went directly from being heroes of the Insect Wars, to being introverted isolationists. It is likely a condition that grew on them over time, beginning with the building of the shields, and continuing with the halting of their aging process. They wouldn’t go from saving the galaxy to total isolationism over night.
I also think it unlikely that they would totally cut themselves off from access to the Time Prophet, who seems to play an important role in their culture.
Then there’s the matter of the ship Kai uses to visit the Time Prophet. If there was truly no travel beyond the shield, then there would be no ships for Kai to use… unless he stole that one from a museum as well.
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Valdron wrote:
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Kai notes that the archaic Brunnen G had not mastered the secrets of life.
His actual statement is considerably more contradictory than that.
Kai:
“I was not aware that the Brunnen-G unlocked the secrets of life.”Master of Ceremonies:
“They unlocked the secret of never-ending life.”DalekTek wrote:
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But the Brunnen-G thing is still possible. They wouldn’t have to have left Brunnis-2 and been killed previously. All I’m saying is that it’s possible that some of the Brunnen-G His Divine Shadow killed at Brunnis-2 may have been old enough to have lived on Brunnis-1, and that could be where the memories come from. Kai says he has the memories of others His Shadow killed, so it’s reasoable to say the Divine Shadows had those memories. And I assume they were collected at the assault on Brunnis-2.
The Time Prophet seems to make a big deal out of Kai’s life being personally taken by His Shadow himself, in connection with his memory being stolen. The impression I’ve always gotten, is that His Shadow only steals the memories of those he personally kills, in the same manner as we saw in IWHS. I did not get the impression that His Shadow stole the memories of every man, woman, and child killed when the Foreshadow destroyed Brunnis 2, from hundreds (or even thousands) of miles away up in space.
In Super Nova, the DPs’ exact words are:
“We possess the memories of the many thousands we killed, including some who lived on Brunnis.”This leaves 3 possibilities:
1. Some very old Brunnen-G on Brunnis 2 HAVE traveled beyond the shield, and were killed by HDS.
2. HDS stole the memories of everyone on Brunnis 2 when he destroyed the planet.
3. The memories are actually a residual of memories stolen from Brunnen-G killed by an Insect in the Insect Wars.Which option seems the most likely?
The DPs seem pretty firm on the idea that the memories are from those they killed (and not from those killed by Insects before they existed), so I think that tends to rule out #3.
The DPs killed “many thousands,” as opposed to millions or billions. This tends to rule out people indirectly killed by HDS. Otherwise, the number would probably be much, much higher, considering the Divine Order is at least several thousand years old. So, I think that tends to rule out #2.
To throw another wrench in this, however, Kai makes an unusual statement in The Game. Possibly a show mistake:
“I have the memories of the many great men I killed.”
Huh? The memories of men HE killed? Not His Shadow? This seems to go against everything we’ve heard in the show before. Kai got his memory back by killing a Divine Predecessor, and also got the memories of all those that DP killed. Before that point, Kai was a “mindless assassin.”
On the other hand, let me play devil’s advocate with myself: Perhaps stealing memories is related to protoblood. Perhaps stealing memories IS another duty carried out by Divine Assassins. After all, Divine Predecessors were killed by Gigerotta, Xev, Stanley, and Yottskry, but they didn’t get any of those DPs’ memories. And Kai clearly does have memories of carrying out assassinations for His Shadow. Could he also carry the memories of the victims themselves? He seems to think so.
In IWHS, when HDS confronts Kai at the end, he says:
“You have no memory of your life. The protoblood only allows you to do as I instruct!”Perhaps that is key: That the Divine Assassin does not get the memory of their OWN life back, but that the Assassin can and does routinely steal the memories of his victims for His Shadow.
Of course, if HDS also gets the memories of all those killed by Divine Assassins, you’d think that number would also run into the millions, billions, or even trillions, since on one single mission, Kai kills 2,808… and there are many other Divine Assassins besides Kai.
Back to the notion of the Foreshadow stealing the memories of everyone on Brunnis 2 as it destroyed the planet. If this was so, you’d also think His Shadow would possess the memories of everyone killed when the Reform Planets were destroyed:
685,304,000,000“Many thousands” would be one heck of an understatement, eh?
Perhaps he didn’t, because he wasn’t on a ship present at the destruction? It matters not. Divine Assassins could have been present on the ships to collect memories.
No, I think at most, His Shadow can only steal the memories of those directly killed by himself, or by his Divine Assassins.
Thoughts?
btw, HDS in The Game did sound similar (to me, anyway) to the original His Shadow. This HDS was voiced by the ubiquitous John Dunsworth. Could John Dunsworth have been the original HDS?
If you can’t count Mantrid as a person “Kai killed,” then you also can’t count all the people he killed as a mindless assassin. Kai certainly wasn’t Kai then, either.
Simpler (and more fun) to include all the people killed by Kai’s body.
Which means you also have to include a human killed in Nook, and an android killed in Lafftrak: Both were killed using Kai’s body, or at least part of his body.
Ooh, I am loving this discussion!
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In Brigadoom, set at the time of Kai’s death, their songs reference living for 6000 years and 10,000 years.
That’s right! Amazing. I listen to those songs all the time, yet I forgot about those lines:
“6000 years go by so fast…”
“10,000 years with her…”quote
This leaves the problem of a 5000 year old recording on Brunnis. Either the two are incompatible, or we must assume that the person questioning the time prophet could not have been a Brunnen G. He’s 7,000 years off the date set in Brigadoom. In addition, the Brunnen G have been behind their shield, so its not like it was someone visiting the old homeland.
Not necessarily. We don’t actually know how easy or hard it was to travel beyond the shield. If it is the same design used by the Ostral-B, passing the shield is a simple matter. It may have been a tradition for dying or dead Brunnen-G to return to Brunnis to have their memory stored in the memory catacombs. Remember, even though they had halted their aging process, they could still not completely cheat death. There were still diseases, accidents, or other circumstances which would occasionally bring them mortality. We know they turned inward and built a shield, but we don’t know at what point they stopped leaving Brunnis 2 altogether.
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In Supernova, the Divine Predecessors claim to possess the memories of archaic Brunnen G who walked the streets of Brunnis.
This would put the Divine Order itself at well over 12,000 years.
I actually don’t remember this bit, but let’s assume it’s true. HDS steals the memories of each human he kills. This is almost certainly an Insect trait. HDS is derived from an Insect essence which battled the Brunnen-G during the Insect Wars, which occured before the Brunnen-G moved to Brunnis 2. Ergo, it is entirely possible the Predecessors possess the memories of some of these ancient Brunnen-G, killed during the Wars.
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But there were, according to the first season, only four Divine Shadows after the one that killed Kai,
I don’t remember this ever being stated anywhere. Where is it from?
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As for the number of Divine Shadows, Only two Divine Shadows, by the way, mentioned
by rank – The 14th, Marty Simon, and the
16th who got fingered by the other brains in Eating Pattern. But this establishes their minimum number as 16. Neither of these are
the HDS who killed Kai. Which limits us to
17 and up, 15th, or 13th and down.
It sounds like, though we have a minimum number, we don’t have a maximum number at all. Ergo, there’s no way of telling how short the average lifespan of a Divine Shadow is.
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I am relying upon discussions recorded in Lexxplorations as to the age and periodicity of predecessors. You might want to check
that site. The assumed that DP 14 was the one that killed Kai. I have no basis to disprove this, because the voice of HDS
that killed Kai was not identified.
If Marty Simon is DP 14, then obviously Lexxplorations is wrong in thinking that DP 14 killed Kai… unless Marty Simon (and not Jeffery) was the original voice of His Shadow. Anybody?
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All right. Nope, the Time Prophet could not be a renegade Brunnen G who left 3000 years before Kai.
The Time Prophet can’t be Brunnen-G for one simple reason: She says Kai is “the last of his people to die.” Since the Time Prophet is killed after Kai, she cannot be Brunnen-G herself, as that would make HER the last of Kai’s people to die.
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The Master of Ceremonies in Brigadoom also states that Kai was the first person to go beyond the shield. That seems to kill the Time Prophet theory. It also means that no other Immortal Brunnen G would have left Brunnis 2 to be killed by an HDS prior to the attack on Brunnis.
It seems clear that, by Kai’s time, Brunnen-G pretty much stayed at home… but I don’t recall anything specific about Kai being the first to go beyond the shield ever since the shield was put up. Can you be sure that they NEVER traveled beyond the shield once it was installed?
Flamegrape wrote:
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As I’ve said before, I don’t understand the Lexx fans who insist on taking the story seriously. From the very beginning when His Shadow states that the Brunnen-G shall be punished for being enlightened, I could take none of it seriously! The holographic trials, the nose-launched bug bomb, cluster lizards eating boy scouts. C’MON! None of it can be taken seriously!
The difference is whether or not the show takes ITSELF seriously. Certainly there were funny parts throughout season one and two, but they were almost always done with a straight face. Deadpan humor, it’s called. It seems to me that season 4 does not take itself seriously nearly as often.
While the show takes itself seriously, I can laugh at the funny parts, and still take the serious parts seriously. But when the show stops taking ITSELF seriously, I find it harder to do the same.
You’re saying we shouldn’t take any of it seriously? That it should all simply be viewed as a big joke? I find that hard to do. There are certain parts of Lexx that seem very, very serious to me… and I like it that way!
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That can’t be true, because the magazine Moss showed the Lexx crew had stylized images of a man, woman, and children just like terran humans (no roots or anything).
Hmmm, that is a puzzler, since all the people growing in the field looked like adults. Yet, my gut still tells me that Moss’s fantasy was closer to Potataho reality than many realize.
This would be a good question to ask the Beans. When do you think we can snag somebody from the show for another chat?
Squishy, I too am really big into the idea that our crew is now into the next cycle of time, thanks to collapsing the Light Universe. However, in that same chat where the Beans said the Wars took place in the Light Universe, they also said that the Light Universe’s collapse had NO effect on the Dark Zone.
Maybe they’ve changed their minds? Maybe? Hopefully?DalekTek wrote:
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The person asking about the mineral deposits on Aurelium 4 could not have been part of the Brunnen-G civilization on Brunnis-1.
Why not?
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That was 5,000 years ago, the evacuation of Brunnis-1 took place more like 12,000 years prior to that point.
Based on what canon?
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He was probably just an explorer who stumbled upon the planet and decided to undergo the memory procedure not really knowing what it was, like Kai and Zev.
An explorer who not only visited the Time Prophet, but also visited Brunnis, died there, and happened to be the one non-Brunnen-G in the memory catacombs, who’s memory Stanley just happened to touch?
Side note: Can’t quite tell on my copy, but can anyone see what the Brunnen-G guy is writing, in the memory that says, “Days pass quickly now, and our sun continues to die…” Is it… english?
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I think the Time Prophet’s planetoid is located in a pocket universe accessible from both the Dark Zone and the Light Zone by those knowledgeable.
What do you base this theory on?
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Aleck, thanks for the chat link. Very informative!
The_Steven_Bell, “millenia” means thousands of years. We’re never told exactly how many. However, it is worth noting that Brunnis 2 is probably not more than 3000 years old: In Super Nova, Stanley views the memory of a dead Brunnen-G on Brunnis. In the memory, the Time Prophet dates Stanley’s visit to Brunnis as taking place 5000 years after that Brunnen-G’s death. We know Brunnis 2 was destroyed 2000 years prior to Stanley’s visit, so the Brunnen-G can only have lived on Brunnis 2 for a maximum of 3000 years… and thats assuming they moved there the day after that dead Brunnen-G dude died. (did that make sense?)
On the other hand, the fact that the dead Brunnen-G guy visited the Time Prophet at all, means they were even then traveling to the Light Universe (unless the Time Prophet is somehow simultaneously located in both universes, which I doubt). This could simply mean they routinely traveled back-and-forth… or it could mean that dying Brunnen-G always try to return to their original planet, to preserve their memory in the memory catacombs.
Headgehog, the Brunnen-G didn’t leave Brunnis because they were afraid their stabilizers would stop working, Kai tells us in Super Nova that they left when their sun could no longer sustain life on the planet. This probably refers to the planet’s ecosystem; it does look pretty barren when our crew visit it. Presumeably the Brunnen-G left the stabilizers on out of a sense of nostalgia. Or for the memory catacombs (see above).
And as for the Dark Zone being a universe of evil, chaos, depravity, and darkness… I think that’s propaganda used by His Divine Shadow to keep folks out of there. There aren’t many good planets… but there are some!
Back to Aleck, yep, the Beans sound pretty firm about the Insect Wars happening in the Light Universe.
Since Brigadoom is also quite firm that the Brunnen-G first defeated the Insects, then moved to the Light Universe when they realized their planet was dying, it seems that they must have traveled back and forth between universes on multiple occasions, during their campaign against the Insects. This actually starts to make more sense after what Kai said in The Game: The Brunnen-G seem to have a significant knowledge of how to travel between various “zones.”
Man, is there anything they CAN’T do?
1. Preserve their memories.
2. Play chess after death (???)
3. Bio-engineer insect craft.
4. Prevent suns from going supernova.
5. Halt their aging process.
6. Build impenetrable planetary shields.
7. Travel between universes at will.Anybody got any others?
If the Insect Civilization was restricted to the Light Universe, and defeated from a powerful enemy originating from the Dark Zone, this would again explain why His Shadow is afraid to go there.
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Actually, I think the people of Potataho really are “grown” as Moss sees in his dream.
I think the whole episode was setting us up to think of Moss and his crew as being typically human, almost like they’re from Earth, complete with a spacecraft called the Eagle 5.
But then we start getting hints that they are different: Their planet is called Potataho, I recall it is shaped like a potato, and the whole crew seems obsessed with spud-related foods.
Finally Moss’s fantasy reveals to us that the people of Potataho aren’t typical humans at all! They’re grown in the ground (like potatoes) until they reach maturity.
At least that’s my take on it.
Could you both please elaborate?
When and where did the Beans say so?
What frequent proof and solid evidence do we have that they happened in the Light Universe?
Really? That’s funny, I thought I remembered the exact opposite: That they said, in a chat, that the Wars were in the Dark Zone.
Where’s that chat at? I’ve just been through all the archived scifi.com chats back to 1996, and the only Paul and Lex chat I could find is the latest 2002 chat, in which they really don’t reveal anything substancial about anything.
“I am the Lexx. I am the most powerful weapon of destruction in the two-and-one-eighth universes.”
I thought the setup premises for this episode were a bit weak (the Dream Zone, the Other Zone, and getting there by flying through a big space grid), and the effect of Stan and Xev’s body parts fading out was (imho) a bit lame, but the game itself was truly excellent.
Kai made a grand total of THREE out-of-character remarks in this episode:
1. He said he “wants” to be dead.
2. He says he would “like” his life to return to the Dream Zone.
3. He says he has no will (when, in IWHS, he replies to a Predecessor, “Wrong. I have will power. You have given it to me.”)Any takes on these?
Here’s a further thought on #2. Kai says:
“Sometimes the life-essence of a Brunnen-G who died made it to the Dream Zone. A time and space from where our consciousness derives. It is where my life came from, and where I would like it to return. But it can never return there until my body has properly died.”
Perhaps Kai has already unwittingly visited this Dream Zone: the theatre in Brigadoom! They all looked Brunnen-G, and as Stanley observed, they were all just like the Brunnen-G. And they certainly seemed particularly interested in telling Kai’s story.
I agree with your Bunny observation, NB1. Here’s a few more:
1. Bunny says she doesn’t want to kill anyone, but isn’t sure she can control her actions.
2. At one point Stanley Knight tells her she’s playing on the wrong team.
3. Bunny is killed, but gets brought back later and is alive at the end of the game.Chris A., you said the Divine Shadow that killed Kai was voiced by “Tom Wossname.” Do you mean Tom Gallant (voice of the Lexx)? Others have said that this original Divine Shadow was voiced by Jeffery Hirschfield. I’ve always thought the original HDS’s voice was really cool, and have been trying to nail down for sure who did it.
Flamegrape and Lexxlurker, I also quite enjoyed the symetry of the Time Prophet and Vlad both being Bishops, and mirroring each other’s moves at first. After seeing 4.08: Vlad, I too throught/hoped the Time Prophet and Vlad might turn out to be the same person, but I suspected it was simply another of the Beans’ coincidental castings. But after this episode, maybe there’s something to it after all!
btw, Flamegrape, I believe it’s been made pretty clear that the Insect Wars took place in the Dark Zone, before the Brunnen-G abandoned their original home planet. Of course, the last surviving Insect escaped and hid in the Light Universe. Perhaps the Brunnen-G made their journey into the Light Universe specifically attempting to locate any Insects that might have escaped destruction.
Oh, I almost forgot. VALDRON! Who are you? You seem to know an awful lot. Information most casual fans would not have access to, from behind the scenes annectdotes, to incredibly obscure knowledge of extras casting and Dark Zone demos from 1994. Are you… the Time Prophet?
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Hurray! More reviews at last!
Incidentally, I believe Kai killed the carrot inside himself by firing his brace right through his own chest. It happens really fast, so it’s no wonder you thought he simply jiggled himself around.
How did the rest of you see this scene?
I agree with dgrequeen.
I think grammar is important, but it’s not why I came to this site. I came here to learn about Lexx, and to be entertained. This site has accomplished both of those things excellently.
Sad’s reviews were my very first experience with the original movies. They helped take much of the confusion out of Season 2, which Sci-Fi showed before the movies, and out of order.
Might some find the reviews offensive? Maybe. But I can’t imagine they could POSSIBLY find them any more offensive than the series itself!
However, I do have to lodge one complaint about the reviews…
WHERE’S THE REST OF THEM!!!
Come on, Saddy, we’re countin’ on ya buddy! I check the episodes section almost every day, looking for the next installment. It’s tough to put the pathetic Midsummer’s Nightmare behind us, when it keeps staring back from the end of the list!
Must… shift… arse… into gear…
Maybe you aren’t 100% when it comes to grammar, but from one writer to another, I like your style. Give us more!
While your stock Insect Civilization insect can’t shoot the same way the Lexx shoots, it probably CAN shoot “sheets of pure energy” similar to the Foreshadow and the hand weapons routinely seen in the light universe.
Why?
Because HDS had the power to emanate these “sheets of pure energy” directly out of his body. This surely must be derived from the Insect essence within him, and therefore be an inherent capability of the Insects themselves.
Why didn’t we see the Giga Shadow shoot these sheets?
Maybe because it was “prematurely reborn” and not fully awake before it got sucked into the fractal core.
To a large extent, I agree with LexxLurker.
We know the plans from the Lexx were stolen from the Ostral-B Heretics, via amino acid codes found in the tooth of one of their assistant deputy backup couriers.
We also know that Kai’s Insect Craft reminded HDS of an Insect (or even fooled him into thinking it was an Insect).
We also know that the tiny Insect Craft were relics of the Great Insect War; the war between the Insect Civilization and all human kind.
We also know the Brunnen-G were not just great engineers, they were great BIO-engineers. They were able to alter their own innermost cell structure to halt their aging process.
We also know the Ostral-B Heretics are aware of the Brunnen-G culture, and have full knowledge of the Time Prophet’s prophecy regarding them.
Note also that the Brunnen-G and the Ostral-B have a few interesting things in common:
1. Both engineered bug-like ships.
2. Both built impenetrable planetary shields.
3. Both civilizations end with a dash-letter.My theory is similar to Lexx Lurker’s:
The Insect Craft were the Brunnen-G’s bio-engineered invention, their secret weapon, and their key to victory against the Insect Civilization: The craft are intended to be mistaken for Insects. This could make them difficult for actual Insects to perceive as enemies, attack, or target with weapons. While six Insect Craft don’t amount to much, it is likely they used swarm tactics, similar to Mantrid Drones, to attack and kill Insects.
Jump ahead a few thousand years to the attack on Brunnis 2. The Foreshadow bombards the planet and basically wipes everybody out… but the planet isn’t exactly obliterated. The surface is probably a wreck, but the planet itself looks fairly intact.
Somehow, the Ostral-B Heretics learn about the Brunnen-G and the prophecy. My own pet (conjectural) theory is that one of the officers on the Foreshadow was Ostral-B, that he witnessed the conversation between Kai and HDS, and that he was impressed by the bravery of the Brunnen-G. Maybe they visit the Time Prophet, and then maybe they explore the rubble of Brunnis 2.
The Heretics learn two important things from the knowledge they salvage from the Brunnen-G:
1. How to bio-engineer insect-based craft.
2. How to engineer powerful defensive shields to protect their planets.
Taking their example from Kai’s desperate battle, the Ostral-B join with other Heretics, and establish the Reform Planets, with shields protecting them from the Divine Order. They begin developing plans for the Lexx. Since such a design is a large undertaking, the project required cooperative research between scientists on different Reform Planets. Hence, couriers take data back and forth, and also carry codes to pass the shields.
One of these couriers gets captured alive, and the rest is history.
A bit more speculation: perhaps the Lexx’s weapon is nothing more than a forward-projecting laterally-oriented planetary shield! It does seem to “slice” through a planet (at least until Season 4
). Thoughts?
I’ve got to take the OPPOSITE of Ydna’s view.
I think Lexx is best when it is (mostly) serious, and builds on the sprawling epic story that has come before, with key episodes like:I Worship His Shadow
Giga Shadow
Mantrid
Norb
Brigadoom
The End of the UniverseI want to put some Season 3 and 4 episodes on that list, but I just can’t think of any single episodes that quite rise to the level I’m talking about (though certain overall story elements have benefited the series).
I liked the serious overtones of Season 3, but it started to feel (to me) that we were stuck with the Fire and Water planets way longer than we wanted to be.
I haven’t actually gotten tired of our crew interacting with Earth in Season 4 yet, BUT I wish the episodes were more serious and less farcical. Watch Mort, then watch I Worship His Shadow. The tones of the two shows are so different from each other, it’s almost hard to believe it’s the same series. It pains me to say it (and I’m serious, Lexx is still my current favorite show, it pains me), but it seems like Lexx has become a parody of ITSELF!
Certain parts of Mort were good, some of the comedy was quite funny, the Mort character was well-acted, and certainly it entertained me… but overall it mostly felt like filler. As someone who can only afford to buy key episodes of the series, this one is obviously LOW on the totem pole.
Basically, having our crew stuck on three planets for basically half the entire series now, I guess it just feels like they aren’t accomplishing very much.
I also gotta say I didn’t like the Didi character. By which, I mean, I don’t think she was well-acted. Voice was too doofy.
I also gotta restate that Lexx seems to be getting cruder for no particular reason, unless they’re just trying to gross us out. The penis transplant in 769, the cripple phallatio and the extreme close-up of the guy urinating himself in Prime Ridge, the zombie wrapping her crotch around any available man in Mort… I could have done without that stuff. And it’s more stuff I can’t show my little half-brothers, both big Lexx fans. It’s just too mature for them (although I have a hard time saying “mature” in that sentence without sounding sarcastic!).
When Sci-Fi Channel first started showing Lexx, they only promoted the strangeness and the sexual content rather than the epic story elements. After I got to know the show, I thought this was a mistake. But dang it, it seems like those early promotions have become a self-fulfilling prophecy!
This has happened before… it’ll happen again.
NOTE: Had to edit the sentence about the guy ****ing on himself. I can’t say “****ing?” Hah! How about that. Let’s try it again:
****ing
****ing
****ing
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Okay, here’s one for ya:
What actresses and actors have been in three out of four Lexx seasons?
I can think of five people. Six, if you include voice-talents.
I agree with Mr. Salinqmind. The first half-to-three-quarters of the episode was great Lexx comedy, with the crew walking around suburbia, raiding cash machines, and lounging around the living room watching VS (View Screen). The extended living room scene, with Kai in-and-out-and-in the freezer was particularly hilarious!
The whole goal of our crew throughout the series has been to “find ourselves a home,” and this is, lets face it, the biggest effort they’ve made so far to adapt to a “normal” life. I enjoyed the characters’ abnormal reactions to normal situations, such as Stanley’s falling asleep on the grass.
Yes, towards the end, the episode did degenerate into some mindlessness, a rather obvious literary device to make the crew leave this situation and set up the next episode. However, the FBI Lieutenant was a nice touch. That guy looks really familiar to me. Where do I know him from?
Of Midsummer, Bad Carrot, and 769, I actually enjoyed 769 most!
Now, granted, parts of it were sillier than I liked. The whole 790-getting-huge-weiner-attached-and-mothbreeder-acting-goofy was fairly gross.
On the other hand, I’ve always liked the Bunny character. There are very few “innocents” in the Lexx universe, and it was nice to see a story somewhat focused on her. I actually enjoyed the whole scene where she threatens the crew, and anguishes over whether or not to shoot them. I thought she actually MIGHT do it, because of her seemingly almost blind loyalty to Priest in S4. I was glad she didn’t.
I also thought it was nice to see that her love for Priest is NOT unconditional after all. When she thought he had killed the crew, she was actually ready to drop him. I’ll be interested to see if her character develops any further in the rest of the series. Character growth is, after all, a rare thing in Lexx.
Well, I missed another one, dang it!
I was out of town visiting my brother. Still might have been able to make it, but we all went out for a late lunch, and didn’t get back until 4:30.
Was the chat good?
I just tried to go to the darkzone chat thing, but all I could get was a big gray square.
Now, the first time a clicked to start the chat, it asked me if I wanted to download and install some sort of file. Well, my automatic gut reaction when that happens is to say “no.” Well, naturally it didn’t work after I picked “no,” and now it doesn’t seem to want to prompt me to DL and install anymore. All I get is the big gray box.
Advice?
