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I reckon this is the first time I’ve disagreed with you, Sad; generally your reviews have been gospel to me, but I think you were a little unfair in this case. I thought this episode was hilarious to begin with…true, it had tailed off badly towards the end. Maybe it’s because you’re less, er, gay as well. Might have tainted your opinion. I certainly don’t think that this was the worst ep so far – that honour falls squarely in the lap of Xevivor. AND: how can you not find McManus funny when he’s doing ‘Happy Kai’? That always cracks me up! Admittedly it was exactly the same performance as in ‘Twilight’ but it was still hilarious.(not to mention the look he gave Stan when asked who the puppet was supposed to be)
Anyway, my main gripe is that you seem to think they got the main concept wrong; in your review you say:
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Oberon is from Shakespeare’s play “A Mid-Summer Night’s Dream”. He is the king of a race of elves.
Urm. I hate to correct you, but that’s not quite true. Oberon was indeed in Midsummer Night’s Dream, but Shakespeare didn’t invent him, and neither is he supposed to me from a race of elves. Oberon really is the King of the Fairies; this is an ancient legend in Europe. And as far as the technicalities in the episode went they got most of it right; Fairies are immortal, magical beings identical in appearance to humans (only much later was all that 6-inch-high with wings nonsense added). Though they live forever they have difficulty reproducing, and when they do conceive their babies usually die quite soon; this was why they always doing that ‘changeling’ thing, where they exchanged human babies for theirs. Fairies are indeed very powerful; the reason they didn’t take over the world is due to their strange demeanour; they are incredibly vague and dreamlike, and take little interest in most affairs of man( where Tolkien got all the ideas for his elves I’m sure you’ll agree). Plus of course they have their own realm, as was shown on Lexx. People who have ‘been’ there have claimed that it is our afterlife, or that our world is merely the scientific, focused tip of something much bigger that we cannot perceive (I once read that Earth would be likened to an island in the middle of a vast ocean, or just the part of an iceberg showing above water), or that they simply have a bog-standard magic realm of their own (this was the one Lexx plumped for unfortunately). So as you can see they were quite accurate; obviously they added the rather clumsy pun that fairies are actually fairies. And these fairies weren’t all that nasty either; the Medieval ones were – people were absolutely terrified of them, and we still have many customs now relating to the fears people had back then.
Anyhoo, just thought that needed sayin’. I’m glad you also think that the quality of this series isn’t just down to the new writers; somebody (sorry, can’t remember who) summed it up perfectly here earlier, saying that the quality was mostly the same, it’s the budget that’s gone down, leaving us with some rather uninspiring visuals. Besides, I can’t wait for ‘Lyekka vs. Japan’ and ‘Apocalexx Now’. They can’t fail with promising titles like that!
P.s. that dwarf feller played Jack Large in Blackadder many years ago!
I think I’m gonna weep. I missed Lexx on Thursday, then when it was repeated on Sunday it was a choice between that and Last of the Mohicans, which is one of the best films ever and makes me cry even though it shouldn’t and I don’t, obviously. So I did the little banner-preview-writeup thing and it said “Stan becomes King of Newfoundland.” And I thought: “Oh”. What it didn’t say was “This is the one with a proper living Kai who sings and gets eaten and stuff. Not only that but there’s also a cameo from Father Hackett. Watch this one, Badcule – dson’t watch Last of the Mohicans. You’ll regret it if you don’t.” Dammitt.
Hmmm. I agree that the Thodin/Kai fight on the bridge was verr good…but I think the opening battle of IWHS has to be the most spectacular and perfectly-timed bit of Lexx ever ever. It’s clearly where most of the budget went; that’s why a lot of the Cluster was built from balsa wood.
Worst: probably anything from the 4th series. But I would say that, I’m in a BadLexxMood, having just seen Xevivor last night. Urrrgh. Never again.
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Originally posted by Aleck:
Despite the fact that there was no god, the clues were all there, and were pretty easy to pick up on.
–Aleck
Aye. But as you know, DalekTek digs the Sci-Fi elements of Lexx, and not the equally potent fantasy bits; I think he tried to pretend it wasn’t going that way. He doesn’t even support Hodgkin’s Law…
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Originally posted by DalekTek790:
It does look like it could be a modification of the stinger design. Those tentacles on the sides just make it look like a jellyfish.
Kai’s ship had those too, though. Check it:
I think they’re wires, or possibly just a mechanism for opening and shutting the whole cockpit bubble. When asked what it was, Kai also said: “A type of craft I once flew, two thousand years ago.” Which was one of his worst lines ever (bar “The dead are weird”, natch) but did confirm it was the same. I still think it was a stripped down stinger, though – the basic design from the DNA with no weapons attached.
In fact, I don’t think those ships are called Stingers at all – the exchange “Stingers” “Stingers ready” I believe actually referred to the rocket launchers on the tails themselves.
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Who was Ko in Lexx?
Sorry, I meant ‘Kai and co’. I got karried away.
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That wasn’t me. A few people have pointed that out. I once found a book that said the minimum distance for terrestrial-sized planets to orbit each other. The same part of the planets would face each other all the time, they would share an atmosphere, and the gravity would distort them into egg shapes. But I don’t remember the figure. I haven’t been able to find that book since and I don’t remember the title or author. So I really don’t know if the orbits of Fire and Water are plausible. I don’t think it would really matter, since they’re metaphysical anyway and wouldn’t necessarily have to follow the real laws of physics.
Aye, I just wanted to know what a real one would be like, using proper planets as opposed to God-created ones. Just the distances and stuff. I’ll have a look on a physics website or summat.
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I don’t remember that episode. Or do you mean one of the New or Missing Adventures? Either way I don’t know.
Ah, never mind – I’ll have another Google at it. Cheers mon.
D-d-dalekTek:
Nope, I’m gonna stand firm on this one (oo-er): Brizon’s ship was a shiny new Stinger, there is a pic of it here: http://www.sadgeezer.com/lexx/lexx2-19.htm Actually, maybe the greyness on Kai and ko’s ships was armour as opposed to age, seeing as Brizon’s is the basic, stripped-down type-thing.
Re: Moth Mating; you’re right, that is dumb. Unless the moth really was one of the species of Insect, so the mating call is a vestigial trait from when it was a natural creature. Although that’d be some damn inefficient Bio-viziering! Lexx really is the most hole-ridden sci-fi ever, though, which is why most geeks (bar you and me, natch) really really hate it. I think it adds to the charm. Although the biggest question EVER has to be; if the Divine Insect essence could ride in a re-animated corpse with no problems, why the hell did it use living humans as hosts? He could have been as powerful as Kai no probs, and then he wouldn’t have been scalped. The dolt. Plus this whole ‘Divine Executioner’ stuff I keep hearing about sounds illogical. But let’s not speak of that!
Mr ShermanTek, can I ask a question? Recently you spoke about Fire and Water being too close to be in a true twin orbit, how they would destroy each other. Could you tell me just how far apart two ordinary planets would have to be for a proper binary orbit to be achieved? Would you be able to see the one planet from the other during the day, for example? How big would it be in the sky? I’m writing some stuff, see, and I’d like to get as much of it right as possible in the first place. Also, apparently there was a Dr Who story set on an alternate earth that had a twin planet, but I can’t find a thing about it on the Net. Can you help wid zat also? Cheers dude.
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Originally posted by dragonchrome:
and preferably naked from the waist up (Tunnels was such a teaser)
Someone being totally naked is a teaser to you? Crikey, I wish I lived your life!
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Originally posted by DalekTek790:
(The Giga Shadow)? That is sooo not insect. Plus the Giga Shadow looked like a pill bug, which is a uropod, closer to a crustacean than an insect.
Yes. The Beans are foolish. Do Moths have six legs? I have this funny feeling they’ve got four. Also: what was that you said about Moths having a mating call? (a: something I missed ages ago, b: obscure Dalektek joke! c: something from an episode not screened here yet, you tease)
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I do have to wonder about Brizon’s ship (left over from the Cœlentrate Wars?).
Forgive me if I’m talking ‘ass’, but wasn’t Brizon’s ship a brand-spanking-new Kai-style Stinger (not all old and grey like Kai’s). Like the basic code for a Stinger, as it didn’t have any weapons, so presumably a straight clone from the DNA left from the one K crashed into the Foreshadow. Another one of those great bits where you can imagine all that went on, what with Brizon saying he designed and developed the Lexx. Wonder if Brizon was supposed to be alive at the time of Kai’s death?
A bit (that I’d missed) that I just found on Mr Taylor’s transcripts: Gubby saying that the Narcolounger was “surplus. I picked it up after the Third Isotope War.” Another fantastic throwaway line referring to billions of deaths, presumably.
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Maybe the Canadian-American Lexx will get together with the German Lexx (which is voiced by a woman).
Ha! You’re kidding! That’s great, and somehow bizarrely appropriate.
Whoopsie, off topic again, soz. I wish to see a good end for Kai, Xev and Lexx, but 790 and Stanley don’t deserve anything good at all! Evil pair of bastids that they are.
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Originally posted by DalekTek790:
(of course we don’t know if that Insect was a typical specimen, what stage in its life cycle it was in, or if it is one of many castes or varieties
I’ve often wondered about this. My theory is that there were indeed many different castes or even species of Insect, suggested in part even by the fact that they were known as the ‘Insect Civilisation’ this (to me, anyway) suggests a colony-type affair. Also, the Brunnen-G craft (of which we only ever saw one type, there may have been others) were, I seem to remember, created using modified Insect DNA. As the Lexx and moths were eventually developed from the remains of Kai’s craft, this suggests there was at least one other species of Insect aside from the mite/woodlouse/beetle Gigashadow type; one that would have looked something like a cross between a scorpion, a moth and a dragonfly (and would have been none too bright either, if the Lexx is anything to go by J)
Alternatively, they may all have been separate species of Insect (moth, dragonfly etc.) that after forming their civilisation combined their DNA in some way, so that the Bio-viziers were able to decode all the different types just from the couple of manky bits of flesh they got from the Foreshadow.
Interesting to note the ‘different species pulling together’ aspect of the Insect Civilisation, as this draws parallels with the humans in the Light Universe (drawn together under the leadership of the Brunnen-G.
Perhaps the Insects even evolved on separate planets, as it was suggested some of the human races had done. But now I’m just randomly speculating.
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I figured Sad could use those figures if he ever made a Lexx ships section.
There is a Lexx ships section! I did it, in the Glossary. Sad always refused to give me a link from anything other than the main Lexx page, though, because he hates me more than Satan. I didn’t do anything technical such as size and propulsion or weapons , though. And yes! I know loads of it is wrong; I already had this American dude e-mail me about 80 times to tell me how stupid I am. (actually, the real reason is that I’d only seen Series 3 and a couple of the movies when I wrote it, so some of it was guesswork)
Cool stuff about the Cluster; I love the idea of this tiny, unterraformed moon ruling over all these supposedly civilised planets!
You’re right when you say it’s frustrating that the Beans don’t provide more background information, but this is one of the things I love about Lexx; we are left to fill in the gaps with our imaginations (Unlike Star Trek, say). It’s also what I like about Star Wars; the thought of those 25,000 years or more of Galaxy-wide activity before Luke was even born. Even before this time, when the first explorations and contact between the species was made, and before even this, right down to the individual histories of the planets. Although sometimes this makes my head feel like it’s gonna explode.
Also: I really should shut up now.
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Originally posted by DalekTek790:
Thanks. Now I have a reference point for my calculations (adjusted)-Lexx length: 10 km
Lexx width: 4.8 km
Lexx height: 2.4 kmGiga Shadow width: 35 km
Giga Shadow diameter enrolled: 65 km
Giga Shadow length unrolled: 160 km
Giga Shadow height unrolled: 30 kmFore Shadow body width: 20m
Fore Shadow net width: 370 mMega Shadow body width: 2.4 km
Mega Shadow net width: 8.7 kmStinger length: 12 m
Stinger height: 9.5 mWeb diameter: 35 km
Fractal Core disturbance radius: 30 km
Cluster diameter: 110 km
This is good stuff, Mr Dalek. BUT – curiously, the size I have the most problem with is the one you are most confident of; Foreshadow. If it’s really as wee as 370 meters, then Brunnis-2 must have been the teeniest planet ever, because every energy web from the Foreshadow virtually took out a whole continent, and each web blast was as big as the craft itself. Unless they were expanding in space before they struck. Hmmm…
Thanks peeps. Bloody hell, 2002; seems like an eternity away.
BTW, just how has Sad got to see the new eps anyway? Lucky *******. Lovable lucky *******, but ******* all the same.
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Originally posted by DalekTek790:
Best- Lexx 3.01: Fire and WaterWorst- Lexx 3.11: Girltown
Why didn’t you like Girltown, Dalek? It was a bit daft in tone compared to other episodes, sure, but it was great to see Giggerota again
I just wish she’d had her big tongue-worm still…
The reason Stan came back to life is ‘cos his body still existed. Everyone else was shredded into a million bits by insect-laser. Every other soul whooshed to Earth, (presumably some sort of back-up plan by whatever higher power set up this situation, if it *was* deliberately set up, and not just some strange rule of the universe) but one of those burning lava-skeletons jumped back in Stan’s skinbag. Actually, I hate pointing out little inconsistencies in TV shows, but why didn’t Stan get a new outfit? All other dead peeps were dressed differently from how they were originally. And when you are reborn, what age do you appear as at first? It’d be a bit unfair if you were as old as when you died, if you lived to be a reeeaaaal old man. I mean, saggy body and all. *shudders*
Though I thought at the time that the Earth had already been there, and that the souls had landed on it, what if that wasn’t the case? Just ‘cos Kylie said that the Earth had been at an exact orbit doesn’t mean it was already there. Someone has already suggested that the souls may have fused together to form Earth. And with the Greek elements thing (Fire, Water, Earth and Air) shouldn’t there be a planet Air in a twin orbit with Earth? Or is that what the moon is? (I know it’s not made of Air, but hey, Fire wasn’t made of Fire. It just had a hell of a lot of lava)
Elfkin: “I mean, look at Giggorota, she got stuck being a head with no body and Queen of a city, and she ATE people! Somehow, I think her evilness was much greater than Stan’s bumbling incompetancy.”
I don’t think that was her punishment as such. I think she had extended that particular life via artificial means, a la Mantrid, so she didn’t lose her seat of power. If she died, she might have to start
all over.As for Dalek’s suggestions of other reincarnations:
His Divine Shadow’s last human host (Fire)
– I liked to think of Doc Rainbow as being just that, even though that probably isn’t what he was supposed to be.Thodin (Water)
– I hear you on that, though I think that actor’s getting a bigger paycheck these days.The Poet Man (Fire)
– Would Poet Man have gone to Fire? He wasn’t actually *evil*. Although if harmless Stan Tweedle can be sent there, I guess Poet woould deserve to go too.Jihana (Fire)
– Yes! Jihana was great! “You are…an extremely evil woman.” “Thank you.”Brizon (Fire)
-God, as long as he didn’t eat through those stomach tubes *retches at the memory*
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Originally posted by Rust:
Oh dear. Here we are treading on mushy ground. I remember hearing MM say that his brace rarely comes out (Ung- whattah line)
because it’s shy. Then he made references to it being a lost insect-technology. What if the scorpion was a live/dead creature too?
Nasty thought.
Aye. Although it fell out a couple of times and just laid there, didn’t it? Perhaps it was so overcome with shyness it became paralysed.
What I wanna know is, how come in the first movie Kylie could fire the brace without the rope, but it’d still come flying back to him? It was cool, he should do it more. And in Web/Net he fired it like a bullet and had to retrieve it manually. That was cool too.
I think what Kai-lie meant when he said the brace wasn’t functioning properly was that its range had been greatly reduced. Think about when he zipped up those towers on Fire or down the central tower in episode 1.(not to be confused with Episode One) The balloon he flicked across to, then grabbed Stan from, wasn’t that far away compared to those. By the time Stan told him to grab the love slave, she’d drifted slightly too far away for him to get her.
I have to say I’m surprised that you were surprised (and disgusted) by the supernatural elements as well, Mr Dalek. It’s always been there, admittedly not as blatant. Time prophets? Essences? Theatres that exist outside of space and time? There’s always been a fantasy element to it, and a distinct lack of proper rules to apply to things that happen. That’s what makes Lexx so lovely, man. And different to everything else.
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Originally posted by Rust:
Come right down to it –
Science Fiction rarely grabs me unless it’s got an element of the supernatural to it.
Look at Kubrick’s 2001… That must have started it for me.
Everything I’ve read – Tolkien, C.S. Lewis, they all seem to have a spot of religion to them.
I can’t think of life in the outer reaches of the galaxy NOT believing in something…whether it be the beauty and terrible ferocity of the creation of stars or destruction of the universe, or just having some kind of touch with whatever is inside…
That…is quite beautiful, Rust. Cheers.
I really really hope it doesn’t end! Fair point about shows that overrun and that, but all the other shows like Star Trek, Buffy and so on (and don’t get offended, now), are almost always formulaic, not really bringing anything new with each season. In season 1 Lexx was a strange hybrid of sci-fi and fantasy, the show structured round 1 hour-plus movies; season 2 seemed more sci-fi to me, and about as ‘normal’ as Lexx will ever get, with each episode being a seperate story; season 3 spun the fantasy-o-meter all the way to the top, with a twin set of bizarre, almost magical afterlife planets, and was structured around one continuous story thread. And with season 4 apparently set on modern day Earth, you can see that each series has put a new spin on the original premise. So I don’t see how it could possibly get boring, not for a few more seasons anyway.
I think a far more pressing concern is Mike McManus turning all wrinkly.
I really really hope it doesn’t end! Fair point about shows that overrun and that, but all the other shows like Star Trek, Buffy and so on (and don’t get offended, now), are almost always formulaic, not really bringing anything new with each season. In season 1 Lexx was a strange hybrid of sci-fi and fantasy, the show structured round 1 hour-plus movies; season 2 seemed more sci-fi to me, and about as ‘normal’ as Lexx will ever get, with each episode being a seperate story; season 3 spun the fantasy-o-meter all the way to the top, with a twin set of bizarre, almost magical afterlife planets, and was structured around one continuous story thread. And with season 4 apparently set on modern day Earth, you can see that each series has put a new spin on the original premise. So I don’t see how it could possibly get boring, not for a few more seasons anyway.
I think a far more pressing concern is Mike McManus turning all wrinkly.
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Originally posted by Aleck:
The only problem with this, though, if the rumors are true, is that Season 4 takes place on present-day Earth.–Aleck
Exactly! Add that to my first post, and you can see that theory is right.
Who else agrees with it?
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Originally posted by Aleck:
The only problem with this, though, if the rumors are true, is that Season 4 takes place on present-day Earth.–Aleck
Exactly! Add that to my first post, and you can see that theory is right.
Who else agrees with it?
[This message has been edited by Bascule (edited February 09, 2001).]
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Originally posted by Eva02soul:
Actually i’m a slightly overweight Aussie with a posture problem(at least that’s what my friends say anyway)and i’m new.I absolutely love LEXX and red dwarf
(LEXX for it’s great ideas and acting,red dwarf for…well,no need to continue is there?)so,i hope i become a certified sadgeezer soon and…Hi!
Welcome, Eva02soul!
But…you love Red Dwarf for….what? Certainly not for that last series.
A good example of why, if a writing partnership splits up, you should never go it alone.
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Originally posted by Eva02soul:
Actually i’m a slightly overweight Aussie with a posture problem(at least that’s what my friends say anyway)and i’m new.I absolutely love LEXX and red dwarf
(LEXX for it’s great ideas and acting,red dwarf for…well,no need to continue is there?)so,i hope i become a certified sadgeezer soon and…Hi!
Welcome, Eva02soul!
But…you love Red Dwarf for….what? Certainly not for that last series.
A good example of why, if a writing partnership splits up, you should never go it alone.Kai jumping down to Water, then straightening his cracked bones, shortly before karate-kicking the guards out of their balloon springs to mind.
It was the 2nd ep I ever saw, and kind of sealed my fanship.
Kai jumping down to Water, then straightening his cracked bones, shortly before karate-kicking the guards out of their balloon springs to mind.
It was the 2nd ep I ever saw, and kind of sealed my fanship.
Originally posted by DalekTek790:
Does anyone know of a website where I can get the lyrics to songs from episodes of Lexx?Er…you can from this one, can’t you?
Originally posted by DalekTek790:
Does anyone know of a website where I can get the lyrics to songs from episodes of Lexx?Er…you can from this one, can’t you?
Originally posted by crusader:
Brunnen is a germen (And Swedish) word fore Whell (I dont now how its spelled! Where you get water!!!)!But way they used that name I dont understand!!!
Careful Crusader, you’ll wear out your Ctrl and 1 keys.
Erm…everyone seems to be talking about Twinkies and cigarettes now, but I’m gonna persevere anyway…
Reason for using the word ‘Brunnen’:
If it means ‘well’ or ‘spring’ then it could be ‘cos of this: The Brunnen-G are supposed to be one of the oldest and wisest of the human races, coming from a different universe and helping win a war that wasn’t their own, back in the murky depths of pre-history. So meaning Well of Life, or of Knowledge? God knows what the ‘G’ stands for.And Cat, you said they changed the pronunciation to the German way during the recording of the song, but it *still* sounds like ‘Brunn-en’ not ‘Broon-en’ to me – even in that re-recording they did for S3.
Originally posted by crusader:
Brunnen is a germen (And Swedish) word fore Whell (I dont now how its spelled! Where you get water!!!)!But way they used that name I dont understand!!!
Careful Crusader, you’ll wear out your Ctrl and 1 keys.
Erm…everyone seems to be talking about Twinkies and cigarettes now, but I’m gonna persevere anyway…
Reason for using the word ‘Brunnen’:
If it means ‘well’ or ‘spring’ then it could be ‘cos of this: The Brunnen-G are supposed to be one of the oldest and wisest of the human races, coming from a different universe and helping win a war that wasn’t their own, back in the murky depths of pre-history. So meaning Well of Life, or of Knowledge? God knows what the ‘G’ stands for.And Cat, you said they changed the pronunciation to the German way during the recording of the song, but it *still* sounds like ‘Brunn-en’ not ‘Broon-en’ to me – even in that re-recording they did for S3.
