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“Do you remember Erico? The only reason that millions, [b]millions[/b] sacrificed their lives for that overheated rock was because two Ericans were bio-code specialists from the Cluster. We fought that war, traitor, so that I could be here today. They died so I could have the key to the Lexx.” -Thodin
I think we have to take an intermediate position with Brizon’s involvement in the Lexx’s creation and theft. The bottom line is we can’t be sure, there’s too little data supporting or refuting it. We won’t really know until they publish “The Insider’s Guide to Lexx” or “The Divine Order Sourcebook” or some other official guide to [i]Lexx[/i].
Sorry about that, I suppose I should’ve asked for permission before quoting you here. It’s just that I got some hot spoiler info and had to tell somebody. [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]
[ 23-11-2001: Message edited by: DalekTek790 ]
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Originally posted by Monkey:
Ok what the hell is the first picture?
That is the first frame from the original beginning credits sequence used from 1963 to 1966. It’s just a bunch of abstract (and cheap) lights, which is supposed to represent the time stream (I guess, since in [i]The Chase[/i] the shots of the “time stream” are just the police box model superimposed over the beginning credits).
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Originally posted by Hypatia:
The Lexx forum is losing people, peeps are spending their time trying to sort out the bickering…or joining in…I think this has been enough. Can we just ignore the people who offend us? Now if this was a ‘serious’ forum, with ‘real’ issues being debated, I’d see how this could happen…but we’re just a bunch of geeks discussing scifi…are our personal differences that important?
Amen to that! [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by Doffy:
Well if that don’t beat all! I went and viewed my tape of that ep…and SciFi took that opportunity to interrupt the signal for a few seconds….just enough so that you miss the name of the band! [img]images/smiles/icon_mad.gif[/img]Sorry, I tried! [img]images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img]
You might want to check Slopmaster’s Lexx dictionary.
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Originally posted by His Divine Shadow:
One thing we’ll never hear is technobabble, wich is a very good thing indeed.
Astronaut: “So, how does your ship’s propulsion systems work? Chemical, plasma, ion, bussard apparatus…?”
Stan: “I don’t know.”
Astronaut: “How does the artificial gravity work, here?”
Stan: “I don’t know.”
Astronaut: “How do the food units synthesize the required proteins?”
Stan (trying to change the subject): “See him over there? He’s a [i]robot[/i].”
I think a conversation something like that occurred in [i]Lyekka[/i], highlighting Stan’s lack of technological knowledge.
[i]Lexx[/i] has a tendancy to avoid scientific explanations, since part of the premise of the show is the idea that the Lexx’s crew are people who under ordinary circumstances would not be operating a starship.
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Originally posted by Flamegrape:
They don’t say how wide it is, but I’m sure it’s easy to figure out.
If I’m correct it’s about 4.8 kilometers wide.
Okay, I’ve got it now. The word is “fegnedor,” in the Provinçal language. But my definition wasn’t exactly right. In more recent times, since Provinçal words were preserved only in languages like French and Middle English, the term has been applied more to romantic love, rather than platonic admiration or respect.
In the general sense, fegnedor is the distanced worship of a human being who is considered above human in their perfection or greatness. So the word i was thinking sort of relates to Reveal’s wonderful piece, but not exactly. [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by Aleck:
…most of all?Well, there are a lot of things in sci-fi that bother me. There are the completely wrong-headed remakes ([i]Godzilla[/i] and [i]Lost In Space[/i] deserve special mention for extra offensiveness), but that’s true of every genre. There is the over-reliance on special effects over character development, but that happens all the time. There is the fact that James Cameron still works.
But most of all…
…I’d have to say it’s that lousy Luke Skywalker kid. Man, what a whiny little schmuck. He only stops being a complete baby in [i]Jedi[/i], and that film is irrevocably tainted by the presence of Ewoks (and the stupid notion that a *second* Death Star is somehow a *good* idea). I mean, the guy is obviously in his 20s, yet he acts like an emotionally-stunted 15-year old in [i]A New Hope[/i], and doesn’t really improve much in [i]Empire[/i].
…And while we’re at it, what is the deal with Boba Fett? What is the appeal of this guy? Let’s not go into the books or tangential texts, let’s focus on the first 3 films (Episodes IV-VI). Boba Fett doesn’t do *anything*. He gets Han, and gets killed. He’s just a bounty hunter with something like 3 lines total in all of his screen time (which is miniscule at that). It’s like if people went around saying “Dang, that Admiral Ackbar is one cool guy!”
(Just an attempt at levity, and at changing the topic)
I myself don’t understand many [i]Star Wars[/i] fans’ Boba fetish. Sure, he’s got cool armor, an he’s kinda creepy with the nasty, unfeeling voice, but he’s unbelievibly popular for his peripheral role in the films. His number of lines in [i]The Empire Strikes Back[/i] and [i]Return of the Jedi[/i] is 5, actually. In a poll the “Star Wars Insider” ran he was ranked the second favorite character from the original trilogy, second only to Han Solo. [img]images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img] He’s like the Kai of [i]Star Wars[/i], and he didn’t even take his helmet off! I don’t see why Boba Fett’s so great.
Luke Skywalker, on the other hand, seems fine to me. The character is immature in [i]A New Hope[/i], but that’s the idea. He’s a simple person who’s lived a sheltered life in the beginning (in contrast with Han Solo, who is sort of a ready-made hero), but undergoes great spiritual growth over the course of his adventures. In [i]A New Hope[/i] he began to follow in his father’s footsteps, to become a like him and thus fulfill his birthright as the son of the Chosen One. In [i]The Empire Strikes Back[/i] he is confronted with a dilemma: he can either continue to follow the path of his father (as he now better understands it), or he can go in a new direction. Now he has lost his guide and has to make his own decision for the first time in his life(in the past he had always been pressured into doing something by the situation, or went along with someone else, like his uncle or Obi-Wan). He chooses his own path, and that is what leads him to true greatness. By [i]Return of the Jedi[/i] he has achieved arête, perfection. Of course his character started out imperfect, the hero is never great at the beginning of the story. By the way, Luke Skywalker was either 18 or 20 at the time of [i]Star Wars: A New Hope[/i].
James Cameron was great in his prime, but he’s sort of sold out. Gone mainstream. Lost his edge. You know what I mean. [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]
I’ve already posted plenty about what I think of the [i]Lost in Space[/i] and [i]Godzilla[/i] remakes, so I won’t go into that topic now.
[ 21-11-2001: Message edited by: DalekTek790 ]
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Originally posted by FX:
[img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img] april 15th=[b]income tax day[/b]= dalek tek birthday=mm birthday…
No, my birthday is the 17th, I first came to the SadBoard on the 15th.
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Originally posted by Headgehog:
Of course you were up there recently, is it really that much of a difference?
Well, the bun in the movies looks like a black octopus that has somehow attached itself to Kai’s head. Whereas the bun in season 4 is more like a bird’s nest that’s been abandoned for a few months and is starting to fall apart. One of the Kai-obsessed chicks on the board mentioned that it’s gotten smaller over the years, and they’re not imagining things! There has been significant shrinkage. I can’t exactly fix a value on that, though (I’m more obsessed with the technical/scientific/spacey aspects of the show, rather than Michael McManus.
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Originally posted by Headgehog:
Why not ask Sad if you could make a Lexx ship section. You’ve already done 99% of the research, all thats left is the picking out pictures.
I suppose I could. But I am working on my own site, which I mention too much and make too little progress on. But really I think it is almost ready to go online (it has to be perfect before I put it on). Maybe someday I will contribute to Sad’s site (if the Geezer in charge will let me), but not now.
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Originally posted by Headgehog:
Yes I do love hearing his thoughts on Lexx. I liked/agree with his theory that Brizon was on of the Ericans rescued off “that over ehated rock” by the ostral-b, along with Mantrid. Those two then designed the lexx, whose plans were interecepted by the Divine Order… and the rest is lexx history.
I don’t agree with the Brizon thing. I know Brizon claims responsibility for the Lexx, but I don’t trust him. I mean, he clearly had an overblown sense of his own performance, and was bragging about everything. He didn’t seem to think anybody had capabilities anywhere near his level, not even Mantrid (whose abilities he obviously underestimated). Brizon was probably one of like a dozen bio-viziers (they say he was the head bio-vizier, which implies several active at a given time) with a significant role in the Lexx project. He just felt that he was the most important, and that he just short of singlehandedly brought the Lexx into being.
And there were hundreds, if not thousands of people who could have been responsible for leaking the amino acid codes and later the key. I mean, there was probably a team of bio-viziers, a number of bio-scholars, then menial laborers, technicians, physicists (all the science there isn’t bio) and robots. The Lexx was no little project, that was like the Divine Order’s Death Star. Tons of people must have had the motivation to betray the Cluster, and at least one had the ability (and knowing the Divine Order probably about 2,000 people were executed over the ordeal).
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Originally posted by FX:
maybe because everyone that wasn’t furiously trying to finish their tax returns was wishing mcmanus a happy birthday? [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img] well, belated hippo birdies, to you and to mcmanus [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
Huh? [img]images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img] Once again, your post makes no sense to me.
When is Michael McManus’ birthday?
I’ve never seen the original [i]Solaris[/i] movie (I can’t seem to find it anywhere) but I read the book by Stanislaw Lem and I liked it. I think there’s real potential for a movie with today’s special effects. I find it hard to imagine any movie based on that storyline being lousy, but there are quite a few past examples of literary plots changed for the worse when converted to screenplay.
At any rate, I look forward to seeing [i]Solaris[/i].
Whoa, I feel young! [img]images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img]
I came to the SadBoard for the first time two days before my birthday (April 15). That’s how I remember when I first posted (not that anybody cares… [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img] ).
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Originally posted by Hypatia:
Keeeewwwwwwllllll!!!!!Sounds like the Beans are playing with the ‘Multiverse’ theory, and certain inflationary models of the universe.
Particle physics and cosmology and Lexx. Yeeehaa!
Actually, it looks to me they’re just making things in [i]Lexx[/i] more like [i]Doctor Who[/i]. [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
Dennis G. Valdron is the author of the Darrow files at Lexxplorations. Great sources of speculation on things Lexxian (rather akin to what I do here [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] ).
Actually, I looked over the screen captures again and it seems I made a minor mistake in my calculations. The [i]Four Shadow[/i]’s size has been corrected on my chart.
This information could prove useful if Sad ever makes a [i]Lexx[/i] ship section.
By the way, if the energy sheets don’t expand in space, then Brunnis-2 is only about 250 km wide, based on the size of the sheets when they are seen to impact compared to disc’s diameter.
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Originally posted by FX:
“kiagra; guaranteed to raise the dead” [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
L.O.L.! [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by Eva02soul:
Zactually, i would like to hear 790 yell “exterminate” as he makes a vain attempt at getting people away from his man
In [i]Wake the Dead[/i] (I think) he said he would zap anyone who came too close to Xev with his lasar death rays.
The movie had not one but two [i]Lexx[/i] actors. Tim Curry (Poet Man) played a mad scientist, and I think Barry Bostwick (Thodin) was the hero.
Oh, it’s great! The miniseries makes [i]Red Dwarf[/i] look normal! I’m so glad I got into [i]The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy[/i]. [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by Jason:
A primary example is the scene in “Lafftrak” where she breaks down after recounting the circumstances of her sad life. She admits that it would be logical for her to get together with Stan since he’s the only living man around, but she’s just not sexually attracted to him the way she is to Kai.
Yes, she’s [i]sexually[/i] attracted to Kai, because of her increased libido. But she’s [i]emotionally[/i] attracted to Stan. Sexual attraction isn’t the same as love.
She loves Stan, she’s just in denial. [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by NB1:
Let me guess: It’s guaranteed to boost your Lexx Life and it’s called Kaiagra!!!(sorry, DT, could’nt resist it…)
“I have a lot of equipment, but it is not all functional.” -Kai, [i]Lexx[/i] 3.06: [i]K-Town[/i]. [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by Flamegrape:
A long time ago, I heard that Anakin got tossed into molten lava and that’s how he got cyborged. I’m talking 20 years ago I heard this.
Yeah, in Episode III he gets thrown in a pit of molten lava during a lightsaber duel with Obi-Wan on the planet Geonosis. He is revived by Sith technicians. That was when Anakin Skywalker died and Darth Vader came into being.
That’s old. The lava thing comes from an early draft of the Episode V script. The planet was originally called Ttaz, but Episode II has a geologically active planet called Geonosis (that’s Greek for “knowledge of the earth”), a mining station that is touched by the Clone Wars.
You can find more information at this location.
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Originally posted by FX:
…however, dt is not the only peep here, nor the only person in general, who mistakes familial/friendly intentions for ‘something more’ [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img].
Yes, in the past I [i]have[/i] mistaken friendly intentions for something more (and I’m not talking about a television show, sadly [img]images/smiles/icon_sad.gif[/img] ), but this time I think I’ve hit the nail on the head. Ever since I saw [i]Nook[/i] I’ve felt that Xev had a thing for Stan. But she won’t admit it, and she’s playing hard to get. Kai is just a handsome distraction. I can tell these things, like I’d known since the pilot of [i]The X-Files[/i] that there was something between Mulder and Scully. The first [i]Lexx[/i] file I typed tells me part of the reason she messes around with the unresponsive dead guy is to make Stan jealous. I can’t remember how I came to that conclusion, but I wrote it so it’s probably right. [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
Okay, “Xev” seems to be nicer and more compassionate than Zev. But that sorta changed in the new episodes when they decided to focus more on her Cluster lizard part (with the silly rolling and brain eating and all [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img] ). In season 4 the writers turned her into a bimbo, and she’s still got the mean streak from the third season. I really disagree with the statement that the new Zev is a “weak sex kitten” (that was from an angry former [i]Lexx[/i] fan at jumptheshark.com). I’d say, all in all, Xev is better than Zev.
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Originally posted by Hypatia:
Umm, DaleckTek, it’s sub-pornographic (or what I read last night after our gracious Aleck directed me to it was.
That doesn’t make it normal. [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
Like I said, I wasn’t going to say whether it was true or false. I need evidence before I am going to believe that a claim is true to a great degree of certainty. Now I’ve been provided with evidence. I did not have sufficient data to determine the veracity of that claim. There is no dialog or in-episode visible writing to confirm the spelling. And why did they change the spelling but not the name, anyway? That just confuses everybody.
I didn’t say I haven’t seen a lot of episodes, I said I haven’t seen 4. There have been 47 episodes of [i]Lexx[/i] aired on the Sci-Fi channel in the United States. 43 out of 47 isn’t bad, and I’ve seen all the movies/season 1 episodes and all the season 2 episodes. Besides, I know about the major events in the episodes I haven’t seen yet. I have been following [i]Lexx[/i] closely since January 7 of 2000, I know pretty much everything about the onscreen events.
Now, about the lusticon thing, she didn’t receive the mental programming, but she did acquire certain love slave mental characteristics, such as the increased libido. That is probably from the restructuring of her endocrine system, but her altered hormones have changed her behavior. So my point is certain aspects of her personality were changed by the love slave transformation.
What is “clone fiction?” I’ve never heard that term outside of this board, and I have never seen it defined. I typed it into a search engine, but couldn’t find a definition. Apparently it is something controversial, but what is it? [img]images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img]
Okay, just one more thing that I forgot. About this semantic theory of Zev/Xev: I’m not saying whether it is true or false, but before I believe it I’ll have to see some evidence. Is there anything in writing?
Maybe Zev does have some feelings for Kai beyond hollow lust, but there’s no way Kai can return those feelings. Their relationship has no future.
I personally don’t quite understand why she keeps rejecting Stan but tries to get laid by all the riff-raff she comes upon (Junior Gollean, Rexxel, Brother Stack, I could go on and on). I mean, aside from poor Stan she only draws the line at Brizon!
My personal theory is that she just wants a really short relationship to satisfy her physically, and then move on (after the guy gets killed, with the way things go on the Lexx). She doesn’t just give in to Stan because he’s her captain, he’s going to be travelling with her indefinitely. That liaison would lead to a long-term relationship, and she doesn’t want that. Something about her lusticon-warped mind prevents her from wanting to commit.
But if you just watch closely (especially in the second season) she is clearly in love with Stan, she’s just trying to suppress/hide those feelings because of her fear as to what would happen with her relationship with Stan if it were to be made non-platonic, and because of her love slave guilt toward being attracted to a less-than-charismatic man.
I think that’s what the writers have in mind, and I think Stan and Zev will end up together in the end.
I was going to say something about my thoughts on the difference in character between the different Zevs, but I went so far on that I think I’ll save the other thought for another post.
One more thing: Flamegrape-What is the U.R.L. for your website?
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Originally posted by Flamegrape:
[img]http://www.flamegrape.com/pic/flamegrape_shot_20_v21a.jpg[/img]
I have a personal question for you, Flame. Where did you get that image? Did you make it yourself. If so, can I find it (and other digital art you’ve done) online?
Yes, it is possible to quote only a part of the previous post. When you click on the “respond with quote” icon, the system gives you the text of the post that you clicked the icon of. Now, you can delete parts of the reproduced text at the top of your screen, just keeping the paragraphs or sentances you are responding to. I often do this. You can also quote different parts of a post by cutting and pasting the quote beginning and ending H.T.M.L. codes around the different parts. It is even possible to quote parts of several different posts by different people using the cut and paste function. You can also paste the quotes onto a WordPro (or presumably another writing program) file and compose your post there. That’s what I do a lot of the time, especially when I’m responding to more than two posts at once.
[b]and on that note, this topic is closed [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img] [/b]
[ 17-11-2001: Message edited by: FX ]
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Originally posted by FX:
aww, it starts out as a really good parody of ‘a christmas story’ and ends with a glorified french kiss…no biggie, dt [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
i particularly like the parody as ‘a christmas story’ is one of my favorite fun movies… [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
Okay, that’s just weird. [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img] Granted, I have created some odd science fiction situations, but that story is far beyond the scope of bizarreness my mind is capable of. I guess it isn’t really incredibly dirty, but whoever wrote it has some screws loose in their head. [img]images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by FX:
now can we finish talking about the original thread, whatever it was?
Well I was trying to get us back on that, but I gave up Thursday because nobody would respond to the clone half of my post. [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by Nirvanah Rimmer:
Okay, DalekTek790, I REALLY think you are WAY to into Sci/Fi on an obsessive level. You seem to be taking the various aspects of other popular sci/fi caracters and using them for your own personality. Since I’ve been reading your posts, I’ve seen a little Doctor, Marvin the Android, some Kai, and a little bit of the Master, even . You are NOT a caracter in a sci/fi story, Lee, and if you just be who you are and STOP thinking you have to act like a T.V. caracter to be interesting, then maybe we could all get along better.It’s all well and good that you’re a virgin, I respect that and I’m willing to try to understand why you think you can’t have sexual thoughts, but ,REALLY ,the intellectual superiority thing grows old and tired, especially since you say things that are full of condisention (sp?) and then deny them like you didn’t “MEAN” to say that.Plus, you really need to get laid (even if you wait for marrage)
I am not obsessed with science fiction. I know a lot of people who are more into sci-fi than I have ever been. I don’t use characters in my personality. I am being myself, I’m acting the same as I do in my daily life. I can’t think of ever being like the Doctor, or the Master…and Marvin the Android? I don’t even know who that is (was he in the Douglas Adams books?). If I seem like Kai to you that’s just because the character of Kai has similar personality traits to me as a person. And I’m not the only person to use a sci-fi character in my moniker. We have a Trillian, an Aeryn, a Xev, and you’re Rimmer. It’s not like I try to act like 790. Are you talking about me saying I was attracted to those girls on [i]Doctor Who[/i]? Yeah, I’m a little ashamed of that.
I never said I was the smartest person on this board. If anybody else said the things you people interpret as arrogant you wouldn’t give it a second thought. But you have it in your heads that I’m arrogant, so if I say anything that could possibly be construed as suggestive of arrogance you jump all over me.
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Originally posted by Mayaxiong:
Poor DT, I see you’re getting ‘ganged up’ on again. Partially in your defense I will say a couple of nice things about you..You appear to be a highly intelligent young man, however, in a face-to-face setting with many of these people, I doubt you would respond to some of them the way you do. The internet is a great equalizer, it makes all the users corresponding to each other act as if they are reflected in mirrors. Even though you are by all means, a knowledgeable person, in a social setting, I’m convinced these older (yes older) inhabitants of this board would most likely intimidate you, and remarks like “that bitch” would likely never emanate from your lips.
As for Aleck having “power” over us to make us think a certain way, that’s highly improbable, since most of the remarks that come from Aleck are usually responses to something inappropriate that you’ve said. Perhaps you’re not aware of how you’re portraying yourself, and even though you’re working very hard at school and such, a little fun certainly wouldn’t kill you. We can all make up our minds here as to whom is obnoxious or rude, Aleck doesn’t hold any special “power” over anyone to cause them to run to his defense, he’s a big boy and can take care of himself. I find alot of the discussions between the two of you highly entertaining, and sometimes even informative.
But the fact that you live in such total denial about your emotional state should not be a topic for ridicule. If you are on medication or have depression, it deeply affects the libido, in spite of what you may think.
Perhaps a review of topics before you post them for offensive matter would be good idea, and if you’re unsure if something is offensive, err on the side of caution, or ask someone else’s opinion first. Remarks like “my wisdom” are highly inappropriate, since wisdom comes with experience, not knowledge. Being intelligent is wonderful, but being wise is when you know when to stop telling everyone how intelligent you are.
I certainly wish you luck at school, study hard, and perhaps a little less time on the computer would be a good idea, all work and no play, you know…
What are you, my psychiatrist?
Like I said, I don’t suffer from clinical depression. Sometimes I’ll get real down about things and sort of withdraw from life for a few weeks (like the time I was gone from here for a while early this summer) but that’s not really abnormal. I do have obsessive-compulsive disorder, and am currently taking 150 milligrams of imipramine a day for that.
Obsessive-compulsive disorder is characterized by the motivation to perform repetitive ritualistic behavior. The causes (chemical/biological in nature, and genetically linked) are an overabundance of serotonin, the dysfunction of the putamen and caudate nucleus, and a general overactivity of the frontal lobe. My major obsessive-compulsive behaviors are touching, hand-washing, and checking. Also, this book on O.C.D. I just read by Jeffrey M. Schwartz says sociophobia is a common symptom. I sort of have that, since I’m awkward in social situations, I’m not good at making friends, and I have the persistent fear that the friends I do have secretly hate me. I’m pretty shy in real life. I don’t talk much (though my second to last medication switch helped that, to the point I could even join the speech & debate team). I’m really more comfortable writing than speaking. I can express myself a lot better that way because there isn’t the stress. Maybe that’s why I like message boards, it’s conversation through writing. I may “talk” on the board different than I do in real life.
Anyway, aside from a mild mental disorder, I’m a pretty normal guy.
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Originally posted by NB1:
For anyone who has’nt read this yet, do it now, you will love it, guaranteed!
Uh, no. I clicked on Cat’s link, and I was going to see what was there but the words “adult fanfic” came up on my screen, so I clicked on the little “x” in the corner to make the window go away. I assume “adult” means dirty, so I don’t think I would want to ever read that. [img]images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by Squish-ums:
Who the hell is ‘Bob’???
Squishy is a British cluster lizard, and doesn’t know this Bob, is he a celebrity in America?…please someone tell Squishy.(Topknot well and truly ruffled!!!)
Yeah, well DalekTek790 is an American cyborg and he doesn’t know who this Bob person is either. [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
Boy, this thread’s been everywhere!
By the way, I apologize for that insane post last night. That’s what happens when I type without thinking. [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]
I know I said I was done with this thread, but I’ve been lured back here. I guess I’m lacking in will power. [img]images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by Flamegrape:
What you said to me, Lee, was the most supremely arrogant and insulting statement I’ve ever had to endure from anyone. And the most maddening thing is that you don’t care. You have no empathy for anyone else’s feelings. And then you had the gall to wonder why I’m no longer nice to you, started whining about your hurt feelings, and then demanded an apology. So I gave you one.But after what you said, I’ve completely lost all respect for you, Lee, and it will [i]never[/i] return. When I first came here, [i]I did not listen to the arguements of Aleck or anyone else[/i] because I [i]always[/i] give people the benefit of the doubt. But now every time [i]you[/i] start some arguement on this bulletin board, I will quote what you said to me. [i][b]I will always remind you.[/b][/i] [img]images/smiles/icon_mad.gif[/img]
Well I’m sorry if I hurt your feelings. I wasn’t trying to be offensive, and that statement wasn’t just to you. And you shouldn’t hold a grudge like that. I mean, there are people here who have angered me in the past, but I’m still nice to them. I can think of someone on this board who used to really get on my nerves, but I now enjoy talking to.
And I certainly care about other people’s feelings. Don’t think for a second that I don’t. It’s not like I’m ever [i]trying[/i] to offend anyone, people just respond negatively to some of my posts on a seemingly random basis. And I don’t [i]start[/i] arguments. If you don’t like me mentioning things about my personal life/feelings, just tell me and I’ll knock it off.
I really don’t think I’m arrogant, since the only people who have ever said I was were confined to a single message board. I think I’m a pretty modest and compassionate individual. I don’t want you (or anyone else) to be mad at me, Flamegrape. [img]images/smiles/icon_sad.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by elfie:
‘Mushriq’ in Arabic means pagans and idolaters, but according to Zecharia Sitchin’s books it’s based on an older Sumarian word meaning setting something on high and refusing to see it’s faults… that’s all I remember. It’s a mighty ugly word though! LoL! Reveal7’s post was far too eloquent if that’s the same word you’re talking about DT, LoL [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
No, that’s not it. The language is Provençal (a Romance tongue that hasn’t been spoken since about the 13th century), not Arabic. It doesn’t mean pagan or anything. The context I read it in was not religious, but focussed on a real individual who is considered above mortal by the worshipper because of their perfection. But I might not have the definition entirely correct, I’d have to look it up. It’s in this book called [i]Civilisation[/i] [sic], which is about the history of western civilization. I’ll probably take a look at that next week and let you know what the word is.
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Originally posted by Mayaxiong:
It would definitely have to be a tattoo.I don’t see how they could manage a birthmark( and such a defined one at that) only on the males, especially since it would be so much simpler just to place on the skin, and not have to genetically alter them to have this mark. Alot of unnecessary work there, just for that affectation. [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
I wouldn’t say it was impossible to genetically engineer it to appear in the phenotype of males. It could be a secondary sexual characteristic. [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img] Heck, maybe that’s what Brunnen-G women look for in a mate (“Whoa! Check out the mark on thet guy’s cheek…”). Of course, Zev never complimented Kai’s nice manly mark and that’s why he acts cold to her. [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] The females may have a similar mark somewhere else on their bodies (different cheek?).
And the Golleans had a genetically engineered caste mark that appeared on the skin of all pure-(in)bred Golleans. Maybe the ancient biotechnicians who engineered the Brunnen-G used the same technique. Heck, maybe they were originally different clans on the same planet (Golleans and Brunnen-Golleans). The overseers needed different marks to tell them apart. There’s an interesting thought, a genetic relation between Golleans and Brunnen-G.
[b]Kai in [i]White Trash[/i][/b] (thinking): Oh, Gawd, I’d hoped the Fore Shadow meant no more family reunions. I hate those hick relatives from the Iow-a-Oh continent. They always have to come and humiliate me in front of my cool friends…”Hi, Pa! Long time no see.” (under his breath): “If you mention a word about that incident with me and cousin Sue in the grain shed, I’ll kill you in the name of every Shadow in the book.”
Oh, caffeine and speculation are a dangerous mix. [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
Hey, I just read your little essay, Reveal7, and that’s some good writing. I can think of a title, I just can’t think of it. It’s a word from a dead language that means the distant worship of an idol or icon to the point in which it is deified and considered to be above the physical botherings of the worshipper. But I can’t remember the word without my book, which I left at home because I have way too many other books full of useless facts with no real application to my life cluttering my dorm room. [img]images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img] I’m not even sure I gave an entirely correct definition. [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img] Come to think of it, it wouldn’t be a good title (unless you’re going for the [i]X-Files[/i] style of arcane and confusing titles that only geeky fans with too many books can figure out), because about 2% of people who read it would know what it means. In fact, I have no reason to even be writing anything, so please disregard this post. [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
But really, that piece was deep and inspired and full of, uh… [img]images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by Anya82:
So, I’m mostly a lurker here, but I just had to get a second opinion on this … ok, so last night, I was watching Eating Pattern on SciFi and I realized that it seemed like Kai and Zev had chemistry from the moment they met — and he seemed to really love her (I mean, there were subtle signs), but he never seemed to warm up to Xev in quite the same way. Anyone else agree? Any thoughts on this matter?
I have to say I quite disagree. I have never seen any chemistry between Kai and Zev. However, I do think there was (and still is) chemistry between Zev and Stan.
I believe Zev loves Stan, but lusts after Kai. I have a long speculation on this in another post. But my main point is Zev has, on several occasions in all seasons, shown that she loves Stan more than she is willing to admit. Her and Kai are just incompatible. I don’t think Kai, under any circumstances short of being infected with a brain parasite, could ever really be interested in Zev.
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Originally posted by Bascule:
This is good stuff, Mr Dalek. BUT – curiously, the size I have the most problem with is the one you are most confident of; Foreshadow. If it’s really as wee as 370 meters, then Brunnis-2 must have been the teeniest planet ever, because every energy web from the Foreshadow virtually took out a whole continent, and each web blast was as big as the craft itself. Unless they were expanding in space before they struck. Hmmm…
I keep forgetting to respond to your post. The energy sheets much be expanding in space, like the Lexx’s beams expand as they get away from the ocular parabola.
Okay, you can see Kai’s stinger (Insect attack craft) crash into the [i]Fore Shadow[/i]’s control pod, so you get a sense of scale between the two vehicles. The design of the stinger is such that the pilot is fully visible through a transparent globe. Working from Kai being 1.9 meters tall from boots to bun, the control pod is 11 meters in diameter. The body of the [i]Fore Shadow[/i] is twice the diameter of the control pod. The net is 17 times the width of the body. So that is where I get my figure. It may be off a little, but that’s approximately how big the [i]Fore Shadow[/i] was in [i]I Worship His Shadow[/i].
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Originally posted by dgrequeen:
In the second movie, SuperNova, Kai explains that the “mark” is a symbol of his people’s migration from their original home to Brunnis2 in the Light Universe. All Brunnen males had it in Brigadoom.
Yeah, but [i]Super Nova[/i] didn’t explain whether he was born with it, or if it was applied to him early in his life. Some people call it a birthmark, some call it a tattoo. I was wondering if McManus or the Beans had anything to say about it.
Since we are now hopelessly off topic, I will answer some of the questions asked of me. However, I do not really believe the continuation of this thread will benefit anyone in any way. [img]images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img] Translation: I’m not going to put any more responses on this thread unless someone gives me a really good reason to.
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Originally posted by Aleck:
If I have this band of followers, tell me, how am I leading them? How am I organizing them to oppose you?
You make posts saying that I am arrogant and offensive. After reading these, people are more likely to interpret ambivalent statements by me as offensive or signs of arrogance. You give people a preconceived bias against me. And your privileged status and charismatic demeanor just make you all the more convincing to people. No one, not friends, enemies, people on other message boards I go to, has [b]ever[/b] said I was arrogant besides the people here. Since it is an isolated sentiment I must consider it non-valid, the product of an element unique to this setting. You are that element.
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Originally posted by Headgehog:
As Aleck mentioned earlier if in your book people don’t have sex, then thats your artistic right. But its also very science fiction. I’m also reminded of something you posted in respones to a statement I made “After a nuclear holocaust only roaches and Cher will survive”, you said that I shouldn’t steal your novel ideas. Is this book your writing now, related to that?
I was kidding. The novel I’m writing does take place in a terrible post-apocalyptic world (I got bored with utopian literature), but there is no Cher and very few intelligent cockroaches. [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by Brainplague:
you’re LYING!!! you have to be. otherwise you’re going to be stark raving bonkers by the time you’re 20. repressing sexual drives like that isn’t healthy. all that sexual energy has to go somewhere, for instance, into the creation of a serial killer. [img]images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img]
I’m [b]not[/b] lying. I honestly do not have, nor have I ever had, sexual urges, appetites, or drive. There’s nothing to repress. And I don’t buy into the concept that “energy” will manifest itself in some other way if it is consciously eliminated in one. I am quite balanced mentally. But I don’t suppose anybody here really cares about my life, unless the information I give can be used to insult me. [img]images/smiles/icon_sad.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by Aleck:
Freud’s theories regarding defense mechanisms (what you’re talking about are repression and sublimation) are widely regarded as among the most, if not the very most, lasting contributions he made to the field of psychology. They have not only been confirmed by more recent study, but have been expanded on.
No they are not. Few if any people today take all of Freud’s wacky ideas as the gospel truth (he said that schizophrenia and obsessive-compulsive disorder were caused by bad childhood experiences!), and the behaviorists essentially disproved the sublimation theory in the 80. Nearly every psychological text I have read has said that much of Freud’s ideas are now disregarded, since they were not supported by empirical analysis. Therapists now days don’t worry that eliminating a fear or behavior will cause any underlying problem to be expressed in another way. “On the contrary, they find that overcoming maladaptive behaviors helps people feel better about themselves.”-David G. Myers
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Originally posted by Aleck:
You could just have a lousy professor (and again, I ask, as I did in a lost post, what college do you *go* to, anyway??? Where do they *teach* this crap???).
As I said before, I go to the University of Iowa. My psychology professor, Robert S. Baron, is actually moderately well-known in the psychological community for his studies on social prejudice.
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Originally posted by Nirvanah Rimmer:
Furthermore, is sex EVER okay in your eyes? What if you meet a girl, fall in love ,get msrried. THEN is sexuality okay?
Yes, I think that’s okay.
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Originally posted by Dgrequeen:
at 18, you’ve got a heckuva lot of living and learning to do, and one of these days, sex IS going to rear its ugly head.
I want to get married and have children someday, so eventually I will have to have sex. I have accepted that.
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Originally posted by Nirvanah Rimmer:
Also ,if this is true, and you really DON’T feel any urges, someone should give you an award for being able to watch Lexx without desiring to screw Xev…
No, I have never desired to “screw” anyone, real or fictional. I don’t see anything in either Zev. I must confess that I do think Lyekka and Wist are cute, alluring, and maybe attractive on some level [img]images/smiles/icon_redface.gif[/img] , but [b]not[/b] sexy. I think most of us, at some point in our lives, have found ourselves a little attracted to one or more fictional characters of the opposite sex.
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What happened to Gelfling? [img]images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img] I was hoping for an in-depth [i]Dark Crystal[/i] discussion here, since lately the Froudian message board has been off topic. [img]images/smiles/icon_sad.gif[/img] Yeah, I need to get a life. [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by FX:
…she had created a little template for the kai tat so the makeup people in asia could keep it in the same place
What is that mark on Kai’s cheek supposed to be, anyway? A birthmark? A genetic caste mark? A tattoo? Self-inflicted ritual scarring? Do all Brunnen-G have it? All Brunnen-G males? All Brunnen-G in the warrior caste? All newborns? Just Kai? I can’t remember this ever being addressed on the show.
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Originally posted by Mayaxiong:
Those who don’t or can’t have something, often try to destroy it for others out of jealousy. [img]images/smiles/icon_sad.gif[/img]
I’m not jealous at all. I have never pursued a sexual relationship because I’ve always known that it would be wrong. I have never been sexually attracted to anyone. I have no interest in sex.
I have been in love with someone, but my feelings for her were entirely emotional and intellectual, not at all sexual.
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Originally posted by FX:
by the way, lack of libido is frequently a sign of depression, at least in this reality…
I don’t suffer from chronic depression or anything. Occasionally, when really bad things happen in my life, I just get mildly depressed, nothing serious. Loss of will to live, self-loathing, the feeling that my existence is directionless futility. Y’know, the usual.
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Originally posted by Flamegrape:
After careful review of a number of videotapes of a popular British television show and in light of the preponderance of evidence found in the SadGeezer bulletin board message-posts about your sexual hang-ups, I have no choice but to conclude that you are indeed a smeghead.
I happen to be incredibly intelligent.
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Originally posted by FX:
your idea of sex drive dying down is not entirely unfeasible…
Of course it’s feasible. I strive to create science fiction that is completely scientifically accurate (no faster than light travel, no humanoid aliens, no made-up particles, etc.).
Now, today my psychology lecturer stated [i]specifically[/i] that there is no evidence that a feeling manifests itself in another way after being eliminated (what Aleck said). That is just part of the Freudian dogma and has been discredited by serious studies. And it is certainly not the case with me. I have no personality glitches that could possibly attributed to such a thing.
Aleck is trying to convince me and others that I’m a bad person and that I have these sick urges and am lying when I say I don’t. I find this quite offensive.
Most of the negative views toward cloning stem from ignorance. There are a lot of serious misconceptions about cloning. People think it’s creating a duplicate or minds, or that clones would be lacking something from the donor. Somebody in my rhetoric class said something like “Every time you clone a cell it cuts off 10% of the D.N.A., and then when it is cloned it cuts off 10% of that, so the more clones we make the less human they’ll be” which is pseudoscientific nonsense. And my speech coach last year didn’t recognize that genetic engineering was anything other than trying to clone animals. And people fail to realize the way cloning experiments would progress. Competent scientists would [i]not[/i] attempt to clone humans until the process was fine-tuned. Once they would work all the bugs out of it and can clone, say, chimpanzees with a near total success rate [i]then[/i] human clones would be attempted. Plus cloning would not be a means of immortality. Even if the brain (or the part of the brain containing memories and/or personality) of a dying individual were placed in a healthy young clone, the brain tissue would eventually die. Neurons don’t divide and a healthy cellular environment won’t rejuvenate them. And there’s the mindless drone myth, and the slave race myth, and…the ignorance just goes on and on. Our populus is largely scientifically illiterate, and we don’t exactly have Einstein running our country, either. Plus, in addition to the simply misinformed there are religious fanatics (the kind of people that are trying to ban the teaching of evolution in schools) who will say [i]any[/i] new biotechnology is bad. Ignorance and dogma, that’s why those bans were placed on stem cell research and cloning.
Science fiction isn’t helping the problem, my main point in this thread. Clones are usually evil or at least embodying significant negative traits, and the organization that produced them is almost invariably evil. Plus we have perpetuation of the myth of duplicated memory and personality (at least [i]Alien: Resurrection[/i] said the clone [i]shouldn’t[/i] have memories, even though she did; most movies don’t even acknowledge that much). On [i]Exposure[/i] (yes, I actually watch that show) the maker of a short film in which clones are used to explore space said (to the best of my memory): “What cloning is is, essentially, taking a snapshot of someone’s mind at a certain point in their life.” This is quite untrue. It is copying someone’s [i]genes[/i], which are the same throughout all of their life (unless the donor were to receive some sort of gene therapy, or are subjected to some process that does not exist at this time). The personality would not be the same, besides the traits that are genetic, like whether or not they have schizophrenia, or [i]possibly[/i] their range of intelligence (we’re still only beginning to know what about us is nature and what is nurture, and cloning could actually help us learn more in this area). Science fiction has placed an unnecessary taint on an already inevitably controversial subject.
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