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Originally posted by Headgehog:
The Fortean Society? Who are they?
The Fortean Society is an organization devoted to the pursuit of pure science, the understanding being that popular science is dogmatic. It was founded in 1931 by Tiffany Thayer and is based on the teachings of the scientist/philosopher Charles Fort. The Fortean Society deals primarily with the New Dominant, that is, everything that is traditionally rejected by dogmatic science or materialism. Famous Forteans include Robert A. Heinlein (Red Planet), Damon Knight (To Serve Man), and P. T. Anderson (Magnolia). The Fortean Times website mentioned the upcoming UnCon 2002, and I was wondering if there was any relationship between UnCons.
Here are a few links:
A Cluster lizard is a four meter long encephalophagous reptile inhabiting the Cluster, but originally from another, much hotter planet. Used by the Divine Order for cruel and unusual execution. Cluster lizards have no legs, but their ventral surfaces are equipped with two rows of pseudopods, allowing them to roll in hoops after prey. They have fifteen segments, twenty pseudopods, a pair of forceps-like tail filaments, and a four-part outer mouth that opens like a flower to reveal a three-part inner mouth lined with needle-like teeth. The color of cluster lizard scales ranges from green to red. They have no eyes, but a keen sense of smell and the ability to detect mild changes in atmospheric pressure. They will eat most forms of carbon-based flesh, but prefer brains. A single Cluster lizard can and will devour the brain of an Insect in minutes. Cluster lizards are non-sentient, but more intelligent than most animals. They have an innate curiosity and like to explore. They are territorial, and dislike excessive foliage in their environments as well as low temperatures, though they can survive in the freezing vacuum of space for at least limited amounts of time. Cluster lizard females enter œstrus once every seven standard years. They go into a feeding frenzy, and when the cycle reaches its peak they devour their mate after mating. Cluster lizards lay eggs, and the females rear their young. Young Cluster lizards imprint upon the first large life form that they see.
The Fortean Society is promoting an event called the UnCon, at which Colin Wilson and Jan Bondeson will be among the speakers. Is there any relation between that and this UnCon?
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Originally posted by Alextron:
Wasn’t the Lexx going really slow, and what was that gurgling sound I heard?
The Lexx was moving at about 2.5 billion kilometers per hour. For some reason it slowed down at one point and looked like it was entering into orbit around Uranus, but in the next exterior scene it was passing Neptune. I don’t know what to make of that. I heard the gurgling, too. I don’t know what to make of that, either.
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Originally posted by thefrey:
Lex Gigeroff will be in Sadgeezer Chat on Saturday April 6th at 8 pm est, that’s 7 pm central, 6 pm mountain and 5 pm for the west coast. 9 pm for Lex and the people in the Atlantic time zone and 1 am sunday morning for the Brits.
Okay. I’ll start writing questions for him as soon as I can.
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Originally posted by Praxilla:
Got a URL? I’d like to read more.
I don’t listen to Icelandic music. Mainly all I know about Iceland are the sagas.
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Here’s an extension of my mutability theory:
Okay, you have the Megaverse. It is composed of two big universes: light and dark (now light is gone). Then you have the Other Zone, the largest of the microverses. Then there are a bunch of little universes, less fully formed than it, floating around. Universes and microverses link into each other at various points.
I think the theater in Brigadoom (was the theater itself called “Brigadoom?” Is that why the episode is called that?) was one of these tiny universes. It is incompletely formed, thus very mutable (but with limitations). The actors were (and are, since it probably still exists) manifestations of the universe, like the pieces in The Game, controlled by an intelligence, Prince’s position in The Game. This intelligence may be the Master of Ceremonies (he was the only one that seemed self-aware), or may be something else unseen. The instantly-appearing costumes were further mutable elements, shaped to the visions of this controller’s mind. It’s a very small, self-contained universe, like a T.A.R.D.I.S. No stars. No planets. No moons. No vacuum. The theater is all there is.
I finally finished reading your story, Praxilla. Sorry it took so long, I just have a lot of reading assignments and have just had the time to read a chapter of online fiction every few days.
I loved it! Especially the part about the queen probe. The ending was good. I am really impressed by your talent and imagination.
It plays on real-life fears of an oppressive government, the teshnological oppression of free will, and manipulation of public sentiment with propaganda. It’s also a great metaphor: We all have probes in our brains-the force that holds us back, prevents us from doing all the things we think of doing. Sometimes it’s for our own good, sometimes it’s inhibiting us needlessly.
One last thought: was it inspired by the Ditto leech neuron project that was in the news a few months ago? ‘Cause that’s what it reminded me of.
A little off topic:
The names “Brunnen-G” and “Brunnis” have always reminded me of the UrðbrunnR and MímisbrunnR of Norse myth. It recently occurred to me that there is a discernible parallel between Mímir, keeper of MímisbrunnR, and the Time Prophet. MímisbrunnR was the Well of Knowledge. Óðin travelled to one of Yggdrasil’s roots and gave his right eye to Mímir for permission to drink from MímisbrunnR. When he did, he received knowledge of the past, present, and future, including the fact that he was destined to die at Ragnarök. I think this is kind of like Kai getting knowledge of the cycles of time from the Time Prophet, and maybe it inspired it and maybe “MímisbrunnR” inspired the name “Brunnis” (just cut off the first 3 letters and the final algiz and rearrange the remaining letters slightly).
There are other parallels. Time in Norse mythology was sort of cyclic, since it was believed that after Ragnarök the ranks of Æsir and Vanir will be decimated to make way for a new set of gods in the new universe. Also, Mímir was decapitated by the Vanir, but didn’t die. His head survived, and Óðin would carry it around with him, and it revealed many occult secrets to him. Inspiration for 790? Then there’s the fact that another name for Óðin was “Þódin,” which was pronounced like “Thodin.” Thodin had one eye, remember? And the Cluster Lizards roll with the jaws clasping the tail, the position of the MiðgarðsormR (the Norse Ouroboros).
I guess the point I’m trying to make, here (besides the fact that I can reproduce diacritical accent marks on my computer) is that one of the Beans may be a mythology buff, and may have been influenced by Norse myth in the creation of the Lexx movies. Or it could all be a coincidence, I don’t know.
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Originally posted by Valdron:
As to whether the memories could have been taken from immortal Brunnen G at the fall of Brunnis. There’s no indication that HDS killed any other Brunnen G personally, except for Kai. Most of them were vaporized by the Foreshadow’s planet destroying sheets, the ones that fought suicidally and died in space were newborns.There’s also a big problem with that theory,
in that any other memories from the destruction of Brunnis 2 would have resided in the Divine Shadow who killed Kai, who became the Predecessor that Kai destroyed and whose memories, all of them, he took. This Brain and those memories wouldn’t have survived to be in the group of Predecessors in Supernova.
I always thought the idea of His Divine Shadow absorbing the memories of many Brunnen-G was a little odd, since he only killed one personally, but it’s the only logical explanation for how Kai received their memories. It is tatted time and again that he possesses the memories of many Brunnen-G killed in the destruction of Brunnis-2, and he could only have gotten them from the Divine Predecessor. So His Shadow must have had them at some point, and must have taken them somehow. Perhaps it’s just lousy writing. Either Kai took those memories from His Divine Shadow or he is suffering from schizophrenic delusions.
The Divine Predecessors could look inside each other’s minds, and swap knowledge and memories. So one piece of information could exist in a number of brains simultaneously, and live on even after the from which it originated it was destroyed. I suspect a lot of this went on, since they wouldn’t have much else to do to pass the centuries.
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Originally posted by Sgt. Draino:
To throw another wrench in this, however, Kai makes an unusual statement in The Game. Possibly a show mistake:“I have the memories of the many great men I killed.”
Huh? The memories of men HE killed? Not His Shadow? This seems to go against everything we’ve heard in the show before. Kai got his memory back by killing a Divine Predecessor, and also got the memories of all those that DP killed. Before that point, Kai was a “mindless assassin.”
btw, HDS in The Game did sound similar (to me, anyway) to the original His Shadow. This HDS was voiced by the ubiquitous John Dunsworth. Could John Dunsworth have been the original HDS?
I noticed that, too. Michael McManus probably just read the line wrong.
I think it was John Dunstan, not Dunsworth. That’s what was previously posted, I couldn’t read the credits because they were squished.
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Originally posted by Sgt. Draino:
And any number of lingering diseases that may have plagued them. Or simply getting tired of living, for that matter. Some may have gone to Brunnis to die simply because they were ready to. In fact, the way the programming is set up, death and memory preservation seems to be regarded as a pleasant thing by the Brunnen-G.
I think you’re grasping at straws, here. The abandoned Brunnis-1 may have meen visited subsequently by non-Brunnen-G. It could have been like the ruins of Egypt, periodically visited by travellers, like the one seen in Super Nova. He could have been lured into a trap, or it could have been custom on one or more Dark Zone planets familiar with the Brunnen-G legend to undergo the Burst of Life when terminally ill. But there’s no plausible explanation for how a Brunnen-G could have died on Brunnis-1 5,000 standard years before the Fall of His Shadow.
There are a number of sci-fi figures I have identified with over the years. Luke Skywalker, of course, then Jen from The Dark Crystal until about adolescence. Now I identify most with Star Trek‘s alien characters. I think we all feel like Spock, Data, or Odo sometimes. Mulder’s a good character too, easy to sympathize with.
Then there are characters that are appealing because they are so unusual and hard to understand, like the Doctor.
The Game was better than some season four episodes, but it doesn’t come close to Texx Lexx (my favorite of this season).
I find the premise suspiciously similar to when the Doctor defeated the Black Guardian (the ultimate evil in the Universe created at the Big Bang) in a game of chess on a desert planet in a pocket universe (as per their agreement, the Guardian was imprisoned in a vial for all of time; or until someone found and opened it, which is of course what happened).
In the spirit of lists, Kai has been out of his mind 9 times:
I Worship His Shadow -He serves as assassin for His Divine Shadow for a long period of time.
The Giga Shadow -He gets caught up in the Giga Shadow memory and destroys the memory machine.
Mantrid -He is possessed by the essence of His Divine Shadow.
Terminal -He is revived incorrectly and his assassin programming momentarily surfaces.
Wake the Dead -His programming is corrupted and he goes on a killing spree.
Twilight -Ruuma’s radiation stimulates the poet half of his brain.
Brizon -Brizon revives his assassin programming to make him his slave.
K-Town -His electronics are misaligned and his assassin programming momentarily surfaces.
Moss -He is short on proto-blood and acts goofy.
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Yeah, I didn’t expect the Time Prophet thing to hold up. It was just a thought.
But the Brunnen-G thing is still possible. They wouldn’t have to have left Brunnis-2 and been killed previously. All I’m saying is that it’s possible that some of the Brunnen-G His Divine Shadow killed at Brunnis-2 may have been old enough to have lived on Brunnis-1, and that could be where the memories come from. Kai says he has the memories of others His Shadow killed, so it’s reasoable to say the Divine Shadows had those memories. And I assume they were collected at the assault on Brunnis-2.
I don’t think any Brunnen-G from Brunnis-2 went to Brunnis-1 to die. Any deaths on Brunnis-2 would have been sudden and unexpected (except for “death by aging” as a form of execution). And I don’t think any Brunnen-G would have gone all the way to the Time Prophet to ask about mineral deposits on a planet that wasn’t even Brunnis-2.
Another possible way of explaining the time discrepency could be derived from the fact that the Time Prophet gives the 5,000 year figure when talking to the person who asked the question. So she may have meant in his years. It is possible that years on Brunnis-1 were a third the length of standard years. The planets orbited two suns, and one was massive (it was probably a yellow giant at the time the Brunnen-G still lived on Brunnis-1). Greater gravity causes objects orbiting at the same distance to make faster revolutions. But this is a rather far-fetched explanation.
I don’t remember the site. It was toward the beginning of my Lexx interest. I remember thinking it was funny that 790 was also His Divine Shadow. And if you listen to the scene where the Divine Predecessors are discussing the prophecy, the one that confesses to preserving a Brunnen-G does sound sort of like 790.
Also, Ellen Dubin said she thought (though she didn’t seem completely sure) that Marty Simon provided the voice of one of the brains Giggerota speaks to in Super Nova. If this is true, it would probably mean that Brain No. 14 survived I Worship His Shadow, and thus could not be the one Kai crushed. But that’s still not proof.
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Originally posted by Flamegrape:
There is NO QUESTION that they are going to have an episode filmed in some Los Angeles backlot. If not in Los Angeles, then someplace on location somewhere in the world. But the point is that they ARE going to time-travel to the first years of the 21st century, make some tacky jokes about our “crude” culture, etc., etc., ad nauseum.
Isn’t that exactly what Lexx is doing, now? They’re on Earth, not fitting in (especially the emotionless character), and they’re constantly talking about how backwards the culture is. They’re even making frequent references to how the past (modern) Earth is teetering precariously on the edge of destruction, just like the original Star Trek episodes made at the height of 60s nuclear paranoia.
But at least Lexx hasn’t overdone it as much as Star Trek. All the dumb culture clashes and comic misunderstandings. It’s not funny, it’s just stupid! I don’t get all those other trekkies who lived Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home. It’s really simple humor that gets old by about the second scene 20th century Earth. And at least with Lexx there isn’t any apparent time travel, so they don’t have to be careful not to alter the past, and they aren’t having writers cook up a batch of nonexistent laws of physics to get them to the past and back home. You know, if that whole flying around the sun at close range routine is so dangerous, how come the Enterprise crew did it about 3 times and always came out with minimal damage? I could go on and on, but I’ll stop now.
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Originally posted by Evil Lister:
Did they shoot it in the backlots of Los Angeles?
Actually, the heroes didn’t go back in time, it just involved characters from the 26th century. I’m not sure if that counts as a time travel episode or not.
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Originally posted by Flamegrape:
Will you be able to edit the sound file to your liking? Or would you like me to edit it down to a specific line and/or sound effect?
I don’t have the capability to edit it. What I wanted was the audio from the first “key” sound effect to the Lexx responding to Stan’s order, leading into The Lexx Escape. What you posted will do quite nicely.
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Originally posted by Valdron:
However, in Supernova, it appears that someone from the Dark Zone travelled to see the Time Prophet. Either they travelled between universes to find her, or she’s accessible from the Dark Zone.Also, interestingly, Brigadoom tells us that shortly after the Brunnen G crossed into the light Universe they built their shield and vanished from human memory. But the Time Prophet was still a part of their cultural traditions. Those cultural traditions must have been formed in the Dark Zone.
Perhaps the Time Prophet was Brunnen-G. The earliest records of her were only 3,000 years prior to Kai’s death. She could have been an immortal Brunnen-G who chose to leave Brunnis-2, like Kai. Perhaps her clairvoyant knowledge of time and space caused her to be feared and hated by her fellow Brunnen-G. Perhaps she possessed extrasensory knowledge of the topography of the universes, which allowed her, after she left or was exiled, to find a weak spot in the time-space fabric that would take her to a pocket universe which would give her a better “view” or the various cosmoi, and set up shop there, so to speak. Just a thought.
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Originally posted by Valdron:
In Supernova, the Divine Predecessors claim to possess the memories of archaic Brunnen G who walked the streets of Brunnis.
This would put the Divine Order itself at well over 12,000 years.
It is theoretically possible that the Brunnen-G were able to perfect immortality within a single generation (they may have had lifespans of centuries already), and Brunnen-G who walked the streets of Brunnis-1 survived for millennia, to be taken when the Divine Order destroyed Brunnis-2.
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Originally posted by Valdron:
Another question comes from the fact that it was the 14th Divine Shadow that killed Kai. If each Divine Shadow lived only a century, that’s not much of a history after all. But there were, according to the first season, only four Divine Shadows after the one that killed Kai, implying an average lifespan of at between 500 and 800 years. This puts the founding of the Divine Order somewhere between 7,000 and 12,000 years before the IWHS present.
Where exactly was that stated? The credits list Marty Simon as the voice of “Brain No. 14.” Now, I remember reading that Jeffrey Hirschfield voiced the Divine Predecessor that Kai crushed to take back his memory. So that would be a different number (I assume “Brain No. 14” means the brain of the fourteenth Divine Shadow host). Also, I don’t remember it being said that there were four Divine Shadows after the one that killed Kai. Where exactly do those figures come from?
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Originally posted by Aleck:
Well, thanks all (even if DT’s wasn’t meant as a compliment, which I don’t know that it *wasn’t*, so I’m gonna take it as one…safer that way, I figure).
It wasn’t a compliment or an insult. That’s just how I imagined you.
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Originally posted by Warsaw:
I kind of missed Lexx’s “new friend.” Having seen the episode by now, DT, what’s the word on what that thing was?
Y’know, it’s a funny story. I downloaded what I thought was the video recording of the episodes Mort and Dutch treat on Kazaa. But when I went to play Dutch Treat Friday I found that it was just the audio. So I still haven’t seen the episode.
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Originally posted by sgtdraino:
The_Steven_Bell, “millenia” means thousands of years. We’re never told exactly how many. However, it is worth noting that Brunnis 2 is probably not more than 3000 years old: In Super Nova, Stanley views the memory of a dead Brunnen-G on Brunnis. In the memory, the Time Prophet dates Stanley’s visit to Brunnis as taking place 5000 years after that Brunnen-G’s death. We know Brunnis 2 was destroyed 2000 years prior to Stanley’s visit, so the Brunnen-G can only have lived on Brunnis 2 for a maximum of 3000 years… and thats assuming they moved there the day after that dead Brunnen-G dude died. (did that make sense?)On the other hand, the fact that the dead Brunnen-G guy visited the Time Prophet at all, means they were even then traveling to the Light Universe (unless the Time Prophet is somehow simultaneously located in both universes, which I doubt). This could simply mean they routinely traveled back-and-forth… or it could mean that dying Brunnen-G always try to return to their original planet, to preserve their memory in the memory catacombs.
Headgehog, the Brunnen-G didn’t leave Brunnis because they were afraid their stabilizers would stop working, Kai tells us in Super Nova that they left when their sun could no longer sustain life on the planet. This probably refers to the planet’s ecosystem; it does look pretty barren when our crew visit it. Presumeably the Brunnen-G left the stabilizers on out of a sense of nostalgia. Or for the memory catacombs (see above).
The person asking about the mineral deposits on Aurelium 4 could not have been part of the Brunnen-G civilization on Brunnis-1. That was 5,000 years ago, the evacuation of Brunnis-1 took place more like 12,000 years prior to that point. He was probably just an explorer who stumbled upon the planet and decided to undergo the memory procedure not really knowing what it was, like Kai and Zev.
I think the Time Prophet’s planetoid is located in a pocket universe accessible from both the Dark Zone and the Light Zone by those knowledgeable.
The Brunnen-G probably searched for a home for a while in both universes before they found one that was close to Brunnis-1 in ecology and was not in a seemingly dangerous area (at that point the Divine Order would have been nonexistent or a small cult that did not seem like a threat to the shielded world).
They left the stabilizers on because there would be no point in turning them off. That’s dangerous, man.
There is a long post ahead, this is because I have recently watched Lyekka twice and it is one of the Lexx episodes I have thoroughly analyzed, and I just can’t say enough about it.
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Originally posted by Sgt. Draino:
Finally Moss’s fantasy reveals to us that the people of Potataho aren’t typical humans at all! They’re grown in the ground (like potatoes) until they reach maturity.
That can’t be true, because the magazine Moss showed the Lexx crew had stylized images of a man, woman, and children just like terran humans (no roots or anything).
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Originally posted by Flamegrape:
I took Moss’s dream to mean that he’s a control freak! That he thinks he knows what’s best for everyone else. He was also mumbling something about “good values”.
That’s also possible.
Captain moss’ exact words in his dream are “Uuh…garden. Garden good. Virtues good. Garden is virtue. Cheer up, son. Garden is value. Home, sweet home, Potataho!” I don’t think he’s so virtuous.
Moss seems to be a traditionalist, wanting stasis, while Science Officer Boosh is an idealist, wanting progress. Flight Officer Bando is an egotist, and his values are less clear.
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Originally posted by Flamegrape:
I thought about 2.3 Lyekka and how different it was from the previous two episodes of series II and how totally different it was from series I. I think it was at this point the show opened up to a new level of goofy humor. (Not to mention the premier of Xev! And Lyekka!)
I wouldn’t say Lyekka is goofy, and its ethos isn’t exactly typical of season two. The word I would use is oneiric. There is a dream-like quality to the episode that is sometimes whimsical, sometimes disquieting. The dream sequences are done very well, but really the whole episode is kind of like a dream, with the odd lighting, weird camera angles, and things popping up out of nowhere. Plus that haunting music.
There are also a number of peculiar recurring elements. Water (you hear a splash when Lyekka’s pod penetrates the Lexx; you hear another wet sound, like stirring spaghetti, when the pod attaches to the ceiling and the tentacles deploy, when the Lyekka simulacrum first appears she is covered with amniotic liquid until she creates the “clothing” membrane over her body, Xev is covered with slime when she is “born,” Bando’s dream has no background, but there are big droplets of water surrounding the couple, and everything has a rippled reflection on the floor as if it were made of water or quicksilver; Moss’ dream has him watering plant-children; then there’s the Lyekka “watering” scene and 790’s artificial tears), spirals (the ion veil; Lyekka’s outfit; Bando’s fantasy jacket; one of the illustrations in Moss’ magazine; and the Mantrid drone arms after they “eat” Potataho, an effect seen for the first time in this episode), the colors blue and purple (the background in Stan’s dream is light blue but turns dark purple; the background in Bando’s dream is dark purple but turns light blue, Boosh’s dream has a blue light source shining on him from outside the capsule and the back of the capsule is purple, but both colors disappear when Lyekka enters, and of course in Moss’ dream the sky is blue; the big nebula seen in the first scene with the pods is purple, as are the larger nebulae seen just outside the ion veil; some smaller nebulae are light blue; the ion veil is light blue laced with purple when the Eagle 5 exits, but just blue and white when the Lexx enters; a star cluster seen just before the Mantrid scene is enshrouded by a blue haze; I could go on). Could these be intentional symbolic elements? A dictionary of dream interpretation I found after I had a vivid and disquieting dream (about Lyekka!) says that “To see water in your dream, symbolizes your unconscious and your emotional state of mind. Water is the living essence of the psyche and the flow of life energy.” It goes onto say that hearing water represents pondering of one’s thoughts and emotions. Alternately, a spiral supposedly “indicates that some situation in your waking life is spilling out of control.” I remember Joseph Campbell said something about the symbolism of the spiral, but I don’t remember exactly what and I left the book in my dorm (I’m home for spring break, by the way). Blue represents devotion, tranquility, and optimism, and purple represents devotion and compassion, or deception. I don’t know if any of that is valid or if that was something the makers had in mind when they put Lyekka together, but those elements seem to occur to many times within the single episode to be coincidental.
Oh, and did anyone else notice that those organic structures around Stan’s moth-bed at the beginning look like synapses in the human brain?
And one final thing I noticed: In Stan’s dream, Lyekka is surrounded by a soft glow, like a sort of halo nimbus, which disappears just before she laughs. This seems to be mirrored in the scene in Boosh’s dream where the circular arrangement of lights in the space capsule encircle Lyekka’s head from the angle of the camera’s vision. This may also be continued when the Lyekka simulacrum first appears to Stan, she has light reflecting off her wet hair. And in Bando’s dream there is a strong, unseen source of white light behind Lyekka (the light on Bando is bluish and much duller).
Maybe I’m looking a little too far into this episode.
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Originally posted by Headgehog:
You wanna elaborate on that one?
Female dragonflies have their reproductive organs in their lower thorax, males have theirs at the tip of their abdomens. They couple in a kind of head-to-tail position like a double ouroboros to mate.
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Originally posted by Raven:
In the episode Lyekka, on the planet Potatoho, why were the human heads in the fields? I didn’t understand that bit…
I don’t think that represents what one would actually see if they were to travel to Potataho, I think they are a fantasy element of Captain Moss’ dream. It represents that his garden is like children to him, it’s the thing he cares about most. The Potataho’ens seem to be reduced to primal states in their dreams. E. J. Moss doesn’t even seem human in his dream sequence, he’s just muttering things like “garden good” with weird facial expressions. And the Narcissistic P. T. Bando’s dream has him acting out a superhuman ego while not being capable of any other thought. Only L. L. Boosh (the normal one) seems to be in his right mind in his Lyekka dream. His seems mainly to reflect his feeling that his crewmates are idiots who don’t care about the discoveries they’re making.
I heard on a chat that the idea for the heads in the ground was a recycling of an unused idea for Super Nova.
So all the scenes on that weird planet were shot on location? I figured those would’ve had to have been at least partly digital. So surreal.
About Prince: I figure every location has a certain degree of mutability. Mutability may be equivalent to “darkness,” which may be a physical property of matter like “strangeness” or “charm.” Since Prince is a metaphysical being, he can take advantage of universes’ inherent mutability, and shape them to his whims. The Other Zone is highly mutable, since it is an incompletely formed universe. The Dark Zone is more mutable than the Light Universe, and this was greatest in the twin worlds of Water and Fire, where the laws of physics ceased to apply. This has partly extended to Earth, at least at the time of the Soul Migration when essences from the planets were infused into terran bodies. The Light Universe was mostly fixed, but had zones of localized mutability. There were the nodes.
In addition to metaphysical beings, physical yet powerful ones, such as the Insects, appear to have the ability to benefit from universe mutability. His Shadow apparently did (“…I can command the heavens and urge comets change their course…”), and even the Lexx can fold the time-space fabric (a process largely dependent on the placement of nodes) to travel between star systems in short periods of time.
Speaking of Discover, that same issue had an article entitled “Notes from a Parallel Universe.” Lexx reference, perhaps?
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Originally posted by LexxLurker:
Woo MM brings up a great point Ive always wondered about. Do all Divine Assassins have the same brace/weapon?
I doubt it. Kai’s brace is based on a scorpion, which is one of the symbols of the Brunnen-G. And when fired it makes the sound of a hawk, another symbol of the Brunnen-G. The apparel of Divine assassins appears to reflect the ethnic group of the specimen. Assassins from other planets would have different blackened clothing, different hairsyles, and different braces.
It is possible that the Wars extended into the Dark Zone, but all solid evidence points to the Light Zone as the battlefield between the forces of humanity and the Insect civilization.
How peculiar.
F.X. looks pretty much how I imagined. I always pictured Aleck as resembling Alex Krycek, however.
Once again Lexx entertains us with a plot nicked from Doctor Who. The Game was pretty good. Finally we get away from Earth for an episode. It was a little weird for my taste, but quite above average in many respects.
The special effects were exquisite, but not done in a dazzling/showy fashion. The best was planet in the Other Zone, with the shifting scenery. It was as creative as it was visually intriguing. I wonder if it was shot on location, or against green screens with digital environments added in post-production. At any rate, they went all out with this episode. Do the actions of the black and white elements of the landscape reflect the progress of the game? Probably not, since right after Kai (the black side) lost his first rook, a small black cliff was looming over Prince. It would seem to be contradictory. The planet wasn’t really explored much (was it even given a name?), but perhaps we can hope it will show up in a later episode. I was glad it didn’t blow up at the end, like so many well-conceived Lexx planets with sequel potential do. The grid implied something synthetic. Did somebody make the Other Zone? Is it digitized, like the Matrix? Was the singularity leading to it synthetic? How does the “dark” nature of the Dark Zone relate to its quantum properties and other universes?
I suspect the Dream Plane (was that what it was called? kai was talking so fast in that line I think I missed about half of what he was saying) is a place on Water reserved for noble Brunnen-G warriors. Something like Valhalla in Norse myth. Either that or another continuity error.
The Kai king seemed living. Did anybody else notice that? All the pieces seemed to have about half the I.Q. of the real people and an annoying sense of humor. Maybe that was the only way they could make the board scenes interesting. Some other people could’ve been pieces, like May (for Prince’s queen), or Lyekka. “Bunny-queen” was funny, though. How come 790 sparks when killed, but moth breeders don’t? Also, there is a rather obvious error in the destruction of the second 790 rook. The cut is perpendicular to where the axe actually hit.
And we all knew Prince wouldn’t keep his promise to Kai, so that ending was no surprise.
Prince’s lip ring disappears and reappears, like in that one third season episode. Apparently the wardrobe department is as unstable as the planet.
Walter Borden’s Lexx Appearances
His Divine Shadow
-I Worship His Shadow
His Divine Shadow (voice)
-I Worship His Shadow
-The Giga Shadow
-Mantrid
-Brigadoom
The Wozard
-Woz
Dr. Ernst Longbore
-Texx Lexx
-P4X
-Xevivor
-Dutch TreatTotal Episodes: 9
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The Lexx as a phallic symbol!?!
That requires some pretty serious loosening of associations. 
What’s next? Babylon 5? The Emperor Dalek? Lightsabers? quote:
Originally posted by Elmey:
When you see closeups of the uniform with good lighting, you can tell that it is not all black but faded colors. I’m with Lexx Lurker, I think it’s the clothes he died in, decarbonized.
I’d noticed that. If you just do a side-by-side comparison of the common Kai and the retro Kai in I Worship His Shadow, Super Nova, or Brigadoom it’s quite clear that they can’t be the same clothes.
There could be a connection between the probes and Lyekka, but I doubt the Trins are the ones aboard the ship Operation Hard Encounter failed to destroy. The Trins don’t seem to have any real civilization. All their knowledge comes from the minds they scan (which means that Stan, Kai, or 790 knew that Lyekka’s people were called “Trins”). On the other hand, I just read an article in Discover that says that plants communicate with each other using intricate systems of chemical pheromones. Apparently plants conspire against the insects that seek to destroy them. Hmmm…
The probes look kind of like a cross between the flying pods in Lyekka and Insects.
I think the reason His Divine Shadow was a piece in The Game was because he was a major antagonist to Kai and his friends. It also likely foreshadows (no pun intended
) the return of that particular villain at the end of the season. For some reason Walter Borden’s voice wasn’t in The Game, and the Divine Shadow head was voiced by someone else (Jeffrey Hirschfield?). Maybe Walter Borden wasn’t availible for the filming of that episode.I think an interesting end to season four would be His Divine Shadow and Prince destroying each other.
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Originally posted by Aleck:
If, by “normal”, you’re referring to yourself, you have to take into account that you have (publically, on this board) claimed that you have no sexual urges or instinct, and that you find the expression of same offensive to the point of physical revulsion: this would make you quite probably less able to spot sexual symbolism when it’s overt, or either conciously or unconciously refuse to acknowledge the presence of such symbolism when possible.
There you go again, trying to chip away at my credibility by saying I’m somehow not normal (by the way, I got an e-mail message from Mandara K. a few days ago. It seems you were able to manipulate her into believing I’m paranoid). I am perfectly ordinary. I have normal thoughts, normal beliefs, normal attitudes, come from a normal family, and have had a normal life. All in all I am 98% typical in mentality. Just your average guy. Now cut it out.
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People around the office here, who aren’t fans of LEXX, aren’t clued in to the wide array of sexual symbolism used on the show, and aren’t familiar with the sexual humor inherent in the show, when seeing the watering cans and labial designs of the flowers, were pretty quick to realize what they were intended to represent.
Like I said, it’s possible the imagery in Garden is as you say, but I find it unlikely. I am generally quite good at spotting the subtleties of Lexx (or any of the other shows I watch diligently), and I didn’t notice anything like that in Garden until a female board member posted that there were “pallic and labial symbols” in the episode. Plus, after I read such allegations I showed the still that’s on Sad’s review to my roommate to see what he thought, and he didn’t see anything suggestive in it. I suspect your presenting of the image to others was set up by you (consciously or subconsciously) in a manner that would maximize the subject’s potential to agree with your view. No more needs to be said on this.
Thanks a bunch, Flamegrape!
If I ever do get my sci-fi site up, there’s a place on the links page for you.Oh, and I already have the soundtracks.
I just saw the trailer for I Worship His Shadow for the first time. It begins with “In the year 4001…” 4001 A.D. is, of course, impossible. So maybe the person who wrote the trailer was working from a previous version of the script which included a date reference later eliminated.
Or maybe 4001 was really the date the Beans intend for that movie to take place in an internal time system. There must have been some kind of dating in Light Zone. Perhaps that was 4001 years after Rock Hound was infused with the Divine essence, or after the Divine Order was founded. Each of those events could have occurred in 6331 B.C.
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Originally posted by SadGeezer:
Bollocks dude! No way! Why would the Mandrid drones disguise themselves as a revolving carnival thingy when the only person there was some little scrawny kid in an antique spaceship!? Mandrid drones weren’t in the business of disguise, they were in the business of destruction!
Yes they are. Later in that apisode they disguise themselves as Norb, and in another episode one takes on 790’s form. It was a trap to get Norb, since Mantrid knew he could use him to get inside the Lexx undetected. It was part of his game. When Mantrid drones eat something, they swoop in and take it apart. At the beginning of Norb the carnival just becomes them all of a sudden, they’re in its shape only different colors. That is a different effect from when they disassemble things in other episodes.
As for the Garden thing, I know we’ve discussed it before and it doesn’t really need to be brought up again. I was just curious. It is theoretically possible that that was the intent, but I find it unlikely. If it were deliberate symbolism it would be more apparent. The possible symbolic significance of the watering cans is just too subtle for the normal viewer to notice.
Flamegrape-Maybe you can tell me where I can find a site with sound files from Lexx. I’m looking for the scene where Stan operates the Lexx for the first time and ultimately orders it to take him past the Frontier.
Deep Space Nine was great until they got into that Dominion stuff. But it could never compare to The Next Generation.
Enterprise has already done at least one time travel episode.
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Originally posted by Fred:
Unless Canada got screwed on footage, I didn’t see Desh in “Stan Down” , “Magic Baby” or “Dutch Treat”. I did see her in “791” though.
I didn’t notice her in Stan Down either, but I’m told she’s in there.
The 4,332 figure was only used once, in Fire and Water. Usually they say “over 4,000 years” “approximately 4,000 years” etc. We know it was exactly 4,332 years and not, say, 4,332 years, 4 months because Kai said he would awake anually. So it is logical to assume that his timed revival in Fire and Water was on the anniversary of his going into cryosleep, which was days at the most after the events in The End of the Universe.
The gap isn’t exactly between the end of Little Blue Planet and the beginning of Texx Lexx. Just the dating events in those episodes. Priest was elected president in the former episode, and sworn in in the latter. So we know the scene with him on T.V. in Little Blue Planet is set in November, and the scene with him on T.V. in Texx Lexx is set in January.
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Originally posted by Smartass 2002:
Good point! I liked Nyssa. She was a good charactor. And what about Susan?
Nyssa’s one of my favorites, too.
Susan, right. That’s especially true in Doctor Who and the Daleks (the A.A.R.U. movie remake of the episode The Daleks) where she is only 8 but a genius.
1. Star Trek: The Next Generation
2. Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
3. Star Trek: Voyager
4. Star Trek (The Original Series)
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Originally posted by Fred:
I would love to see a look alike Xev on earth. And this one is in love with Stan! That would be cool, but I think unlikely. Maybe I’m wrong…
I think it would be funny if Xev’s double was all shy and reserved and dressed modestly. Or in some other way she was the total opposite of our Xev. Or maybe they could use the template thing as an excuse to bring Eva Habermann back.
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Originally posted by the Frey:
That is the only reason Sad keeps us around. While not as estrogen charged as some, I think that Fx, BlackCloud and myself do a pretty good job pointing out the Lexxian things of interest from the female perspective.
On that note, which estrogen-charged female on Sad’s staff is responsible for the notion (implied int he review for Garden) that the watering cans were intended as phallic symbols?
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I love your reviews Saddy, they are one of the reason’s I stayed here. And while I have pointed out the ocassion error, (it was bun head, *not* butt head) I am not god’s gift to proof readers either, so I forgive you your occassional lapse, and love you anyhow.
There are some errors in his reviews. Like in Norb Sad says that we see the carnival in space being disassembled by Mantrid drones, when actually they were disguised as it. Little things like that. The only review that really angered me was White Trash, which for some reason Sad didn’t like, even though it is a pretty good episode and one of Lexx‘s funniest. Plus there are some unnecessary images on some of the episode pages (Super Nova, Gametown, Walpurgis Night, etc.). Besides that the reviews are pretty good.
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Originally posted by SadGeezer:
WOW! And isn’t it amazing how so few of them have anything to do with LEXX!
That was kinda the idea.
A while ago I followed a link to “Woz.com” believing it was a Lexx fan site, but found that it was a computer-related webside by someone named Wozniak. Then yesterday I was looking for a transcript of the episode Brizon, and found that there was a Brizon.com, but not Lexx-related. I thought that was funny so I looked for other episode titles (but not obvious stuff like “WhiteTrash” or “SuperNova”), then got carried away and started typing in character names, locations, acronyms, etc. I am surprised there isn’t a Gametown.com, though.
