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I think Dune is pretty strong as well.
Not to get into a dither over this but I’m assuming you mean Lynch’s Dune and not the scifi channel mini-series?
Because I think Lynch caught the atmosphere of the books more closely, but detail wise, scifi was more exacting….hmmmmm….
I don’t know why but for some reason whenever I think scifi films I never think Jurassic Park….maybe because I think of it as a Hollywood summer flic? I don’t know…it was a very enjoyable movie but there’s something about it that makes me change the channel….maybe it’s the turncoat IT guy or the rich idiot motifs that don’t keep me riveted.
Though Jeff Goldblum can explain probability like that any old time…. 😉
Solaris (1972) is a beautiful emotional kind of film, lots of loss, like the Star Wars movies, and lots of strange encounters not explainable by human reason.
ok, from Chicago to Tool and Opeth…and then A-ha…holy thread Batman,
seriously, Logan is the prog rock king and should have tapestries of album covers hanging in a long hall with his crazy resin molded throne resting on the junked guitars of a thousand performances….
hiya, after a long hiatus from the site and scifi in general (except SG1 😳 ) I’d love to put my 2 cents in here and say I was very pleased to see the original Solaris at #5!
Yes there’s some long quiet pans of the camera in this movie but I found them beautiful and thought the whole movie was just amazing, a great example of an encounter with alien intelligence that reflects back on humanity.
The Clooney remake was a travesty of a sham…. 😉
Blade Runner as number one I have to get behind as well.
Darth Tater:”I’m your father”
Cuke Skywalker, “That’s really impossible.”
LOVED Store Wars!!!!! Yeah for the Organic Rebellion!!! Loved the rest of the site aside form the movie….great way to send the message of organics out!
Loved the butternut or winter squash they used for the Cantina Band in Mos Eisely!!!! Good thought and nice creativity put into it!!
“Aren’t you a little tall for an egg?”
Vala is Claudia Black’s character. Think that’s how you spell her name…she kicked the crap out of Daniel when she stole the Prometheus….but she was also very attracted to him.
Not much happened with that, in the few other Season 8 episodes I’ve seen so far – she’s basicilly the annoying thief character so far.
But I like her!MuadDib wrote:
also they’ve left themself with a bit of a problem, if anything goes wrong with the DHDs there how are they going to manually dial?
Excellent point…but the whole dialing system in Atlantis seems so much more advanced all around- maybe there’s a fail safe. Dunno…would be cool if they addressed that in an episode.
I’m thinking the gate effects in Atlantis are supposed to be different- like most peoples you save your best stuff for home – and the Gate builders did the same thing – Atlantis was the Alterrans(sp?) city so it would make sense the that others across the galaxy might not be as advanced as the one in their livingroom.
Make any sense to you??? I mean the one on Earth is only that clunky because they have it hotwired to their own computer dialing system because they didn’t have a DHD for it.
And they might as well – as far as production goes- try to improve on a good thing? The first season’s constant “oh look! they are traveling like this through a wormhole!” footage gets a little old. 😆
Kids today!!! Sleeping at your house, unmarried and expect to share a room!! Long gone are the days of being sewed up in a bag….
Yep, no longer waxing rhapsodical about the day of the week, tis Tuesday and I cherished my last few Mondays of SG-1 reruns (before I shut off the cable) last night, while still trying to organize the neverending clutter pit that is my room.
Just waiting til Friday.
Johnny Damon has been great for the team, undeniably.
However, my baseball fan heart will always belong to V’tek and Trot.
Love those guys!
Hey there Jhevz,
I will be at Dragon*Con and it would be nice to see some other folks from the boards here if anyone else is attending.
A little meet and greet somewhere?
Though I haven’t taken a look see at the schedules yet, and probably won’t totally know what I’m going to take in til I meet my sister there. But if we get a time/place I can work around it!!!FrogSplash wrote:
For some reason I’m glad that I can’t see the commercials for the movie. I hate spoilers too. So I know absolutely nothing about it. I want to just go into the theater and experience it with no prenotion as to what the film is about. I’ve never done that before.
That is a great way to see a movie- the only time I’ve ever done that was when I went to see The Matrix. I didn’t have tv then so I new absolutely nothing about it except it was a scifi movie with Kneau Reeves in it….and being the anime and cyberpunk fan I am I was so completely blown away – probably one of my best movie experiences ever.
And they do give away a bit in the Serenity trailer- looks like anyway.Yeah Red Sox!! Hopefully Manny is done with his whining for the season.
😆 😆 ow it hurts to laugh! But 😆 😆 😆
I am some what interested, but most likely won’t see it until it’s a regular thing on tv, after I have cable again that is….
I loved the show as a kid, I even wrote Catherine Bach a fan letter!!! 😳
YOWAYYO wrote:
Happy B-day, BTW. I hope you celebrate excessively.
Thanks! and I did end up celebrating excessively…. 😳 very excessively….
mandara k wrote:
Happy Birthday Sid, you should have said that 1st!
Thank you! I was kind of grumpy about it for a bit there. Turned 33.
But thanks for the good wishes for that and school!
I think I would like to teach after my theo degree. It’ll be an interesting journey, so I won’t be surprised if that changes as I go through it.Not feeling too godly this morning 😉 …hung over….ouch.. 😥
ok, I can’t believe I have missed this long BEER thread….
Me- the one who works(until school starts), for a brewery!!! So yes I need to make a loud and proud statement for the state of American brews..
Please stay away from Bud, Miller, and numerous other mass market, in the industry named “premium”, beers…lots of them are brewed with what we call “adjuncts” meaning they use corn, rice, corn syrup, preservatives and a few other stupid ingredients that just don’t belong in beer.
Really in the US you should go for regionally brewed beers, that’s where you find the best quality. Though I do think Sam Adams has a very good product -they are distributed nationally, but still brew in the “small batch brewery method” and they won’t put anything articficial in the beer. (I know the brewers personally 😉 ).
However, as some other folks have mentioned the smaller craft and micro-breweries produce all sorts of styles, in my hometown a new small brewery just started producing a very yummy”Fisherman’s Brew”I’m a big fan of Belgians too, Duval and Chimay. Sam Adams makes a great White Ale as their Spring seasonal….having not been to Belgium so I can comment on the locals, when I was in Bavaria the beer was heavenly!!!
I’ve always been a huge fan of Guinness as well, so much when I ws 21 I had their harp tattooed on my arm.There are so many styles, so many possibilities!! But I must confess, sometimes, on a hot summer day- there’s nothing like a Corona with a lime wedge!
Hey there FrogSplash,
gotta agree with you on Ron Glass, where I haven’t seen all of Firefly, I am excited for the movie and I used to love Ron Glass in Barney Miller too, that was a great show!
Thanks mandara k!
Tonight will be a good night to try that out….after the pints again- though it’s Tuesday, it’s my birthday so after chatting with the girls I may well want to watch something when I do get home.
Though it’ll be a short lived experiment now….I’ll be cutting myself loose from the cable system…
I need to cut back costs as I begin grad school in Sept…+ I thought while studying I could use to stay away from watching SG-1 everyday at 6!
Sad but true….6 pm SG-1 is my gateway drug to all sorts of tv viewing…
Hi, my name is Sidhecafe and I have a problem. I really need to give up Jack O’Neill and Daniel Jackson.
thefrey wrote:
Only very rarely and only when God is pleased with me. You should feel blessed.
I knew I was going to theology school for something! 😉
Logan,
If you liked The Ninth Gate- you MUST read the book it is based on – “The Club Dumas”
really good, I thought the movie wasn’t bad either. But I’m a sucker for old books- esp occult/alchemical ones.And I loved vampire movies too! Too many occult movies to mention really. Though I’d list:
Interview with a Vampire
Excalibur
Merlyn
The Seventh Sign
and al the Buffy & Angel esp dealing directly with magic/occult(just to name a few that first come to mind)
WOOO-HOOOOO!!!!
Dragon*Con here I come! Thanks for that little taste o’ sumthing sumthing , thefrey!!!!
First i heard Steve Bacic was to be there!!!!
I’m more and more afraid that as one politician was quoted, “No city can say it is safe.”
This is the world we have created. We never asked for violence and no one deserves it, esp civilians. Who are most often the victims.
My roommate teaches veterans – mostly young veterans – one of whom was just called back for his 3rd tour in Iraq. The US military can’t get enough recruits, the president’s favour is dropping in the polls…maybe we are all finally making the connection – violence begets violence.
Hopefully our leaders are ready to grow up and make motions for true change and just not more violence.
My thoughts are with all Londoners and all who must suffer violence in their daily lives.
thefrey wrote:
but sleeping with those pearls catching on and digging into your arm? I kept thinking, what in heavens name was the wardrobe designer thinking.
Me too!! Who the hell could sleep on they’re side with rows of big pearls diggin into their flesh?!?!? Not to mention all the other stuff she had on- it was crazy- more like throne room wear- not a nightie. I mean how would that work if her man was in the mood to get busy??? “Sorry honey, my clothes could injure you- use your Jedi powers to undress me first please??”
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Don’t know how much influence it had- I just saw it 2 years ago, but the original Solaris was an amazing film.
corvina wrote:
I’ll leave Sidhecafe to wax lyrical about Blade Runner but in terms of influence it has to be right in there..it’s taken a long while for scifi films to escape the visual look of Blade Runner.
true true!!! (and yes I can be totally pegged as a “my man Phil” fan- can’t help myself 😉 )
lizard wrote:
This flick needed a Lady Macbeth, or else someone who can play a supposedly completely good and innocent character irresistibly drawn to someone with a prominent dark side.
The latter part of this sentence I’m in complete agreement with – Padme was supposed to be a very intelligent woman – she couldn’t pull off the “good drawn to evil” at all. She took the queen who fought for her planet in Ep 1, who fought off a big cat-like creature in Ep 2 and turned her into the sniveling wife…the same thing was done to Arwen in LOTR, the fiesty elf who escaped 9 Ring Wraiths turns into the fragile beloved of Aragorn.
Leia kicked so much more butt.
It’s all back to Bladerunner, isn’t it??? 😉
I agree with you about DeNiro’s Frankenstein being Roy Batty-ish.
I always thought it had a bit of Faust in it.
carup008 wrote:
the main problem about episode lll is that it is all about special effects, and very little about good story telling, something which was not the case with the original trilogy.
Sorry but I would disagree with this, there’s more dialogue in IV- VI, but definately not better story telling.
Lucas – as I’ve said before, is a hack storyteller – that he managed to do so well, IMHO, with Ep 3 was pleasantly surprising.Aside from the fact that Hayden and Natalie don’t have much screen chemistry and the Miss Saigon “NO” I could ahve done without-
Ewan McGregor – overcomes Lucas to develop Obi Wan magnificently – I think even to the point of practically channeling Alec Guinness in some moments. That was one of my favs of the film- so much Obi Wan!!! And of course watching Yoda fight the new Emperor. Great scene in the senate chamber.Headgehog- I agree with you :
I thought the Palpatine scenes were the best. Following that character was probably the highlight of the film. Anyone else think that he showed Anakin all of his cards a bit too quickly?
The levels of manipulation he applies to tap into Anakin’s insecurity is amazing.
And Lucas also came out and said the politics can be read in relation to the current American climate. Touche!
Lots of good stuff and bad in the film- really psyched to see it again!
HaHa!!!
No kidding- Darth/Anakin is friggin ambitious boy. but we all knew Luke was a spoiled ninny from the suburbs!
That’s a very powerful memory/experience which does illistrate this point exactly.
We have to make ourselves vulnerable to scrutiny by “The Other” in order to open ourselves to truly seeing and accepting.
Like confronting racial assumptions – I had that experince growing up in an almost completely white town and then at college rooming with a Mexican American woman. I had to truly examine the assumptions I had grown up with- including the assumption that I wasn’t a rascist- to truly learn to see people past the boundaries of difference. To take theory and put it into practice.
It was painful at times, but important.Tanith Lee has a great short story in her collection, Red As Blood or Tales from the Sisters Grimmer it’s the last story about a future earth – a reworking of the “Beauty and the Beast” story but in this version, Beauty is sent to live with a member of a superior alien race.
It contrasts very well with Cocteau’s film version – fairy tale to scifi. But the same theme, a collision with The Other – different, frightening, with mysterious powers…and Beauty has to overcome her own fear to see passed the difference to the individual. To embrace difference/diversity.
😆 😆 Wow. So I was reading this thread at work…feeling like I’d just stumbled on to the “boys” smoking butts behind a dark corner or something 😉 and apparently my face expressed that completely because a co-worker walked by and exclaimed, “What are you looking at?”
Heehee…
Anyway…feeling terribly lost in this thread so I’ll just go back out the way I came in….except… 3 breasts…all I can think is, damn I thought dressing 2 was hard…
😈
Can’t blame us for getting carried away with Bladerunner and GITS really now, anyone??? 😉
Compassion can be made a point of “humanity” but I don’t really think so- other mammals exhibit compassion as well. Whales and dolphins for instance….
So cross-genre we like that individuation process – that questioning of self…preferrably with some haunting soundtrack.
Another cross genre theme I’m very drawn too is facing “otherness”. I think Octavia Butler delt with it particularly well in the short story Bloodseed (think that was the name of it) but also cross-genre (time travel/ historical way) in the novel Kindred.
And that’s across several genres from Beat generation poetry (who are we? who are they?) to scifi (aliens), to westerns and soap operas i.e. Judd Nelson playing a vampire on Guiding Light!
So that’s another theme confrontations with Otherness.
It’s been years since i read Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep it was very religious/philosophical too as I remember.
Kusinagi is a fascinating character- her intrepretation of her surrounding and the events leading up to her taking evolution (as it were) into her own hands is very intriguing, it’s definitely one of my favorite movies of all time, I like to listen to the soundtrack alot too.
And I think Dekkard is close to Kusinagi as well with his questioning of the machine test – what if Dekkard himnself is a replicant? That’s always been speculated on, but what’s really important is that he questions it himself- anyone could be a manfactured machine- but in the book his replicant animals are as precious to him as if they were born pets- or really that his need for born animals makes them important…..
hmm…need to read that book again at some point…
I’m thinking more along the lines too of Roy Batty (Bladerunner) and Kusinagi (GITS) trying to define themselves for themselves by their difference – i.e. they are both not strictly “human” and they both follow this to the ultimate question not only “what justifies my existence then?” and “where/how do I fit in because of my perceived condition?”
And yes definitely that can lead to belief systems and theories religion and philosophy have striven to provide in answer…
which I think is also one of the functions of Art – in this case fiction and science fiction to provoke and engage on these subjects and themes.
Corvina wrote:
Have you read ‘Retrofitting Blade Runner’ it’s a complilation of essays edited by Judith B Kerman? – 1991 Bowling Green State Univ. Press – it’s a wonderful collection of work!
I haven’t read this book, I’ll look for it though, sounds very interesting! Thanks!
I LOVE Ghost in the Shell. One of my all time favorites because of Kusinagi’s search for herself- her questioning of existence and the question of what makes us who we are- Our Experinces or the Memory of our experience….very thoughtful and poetically handled in the movie I thought, with good translation in the subtitles and overdub – though some scenes I like better in the subtitles than dubbed and vice versa.
(yikes- yes I’ve watched it that much in both 😳 )
Good for you!
I haven’t even begun to think about what I’m wearing for a costume this year…nothing entirely character specific I don’t think, unless I get super motivated as the dates draw closer.And I’ll definately pray for you father. Are you ok?
corvina wrote:
Hell I like being me! But I’m cool about getting Chip Delany too!
I like those who have the guts to be themselves in hostile environments…have t’admit that there are times when I walk around this country (UK) and I know just how those aliens who are supposed to heave infiltrated the human race back in the 50’s felt!!!.Thing is not much has changed Queers and Dykes are allegedly accepted these days but one of my friends ‘Omah’ J was black and gay and he didn’t let on to any one….So yeah Chip Delany sounds cool to me!corvina, from what I’ve read of your posts in other threads I think you’d really enjoy his work, it’s very philosophical and he is loud and proud and it’s very inspiring. He was married at one point to Marilyn Hacker- the lesbian poet, her work is really great too.
Joanna Russ, Nicolla Griffith (whose Slow River, I loved) are the only 2 lesbian scifi writers I’ve run across.
Though Tanith Lee and Storm Constantine write homoerotic dark fantasy. And Tanith is my all time fav author- she’s been publishing since the seventies and isn’t afraid to improve on her own themes.Logan wrote:
I’m interested in many works that deal with systemic inequality/ cruelty, prejudice, and struggles to be individual.
Struggles to be individual I think can be associated with alienation/marginalization since to be an individual is to recognize what makes one different form the surrounding community which then in intensifying degrees can lead to marginalization and then alienation.
I find myself drawn to the beginning of this process, individuation and self-realization….like the replicants in Bladerunner the movie – or Horselover Fat in Phil’s(Philip K. Dick) book Valis, or the main character in the movie Waking Life and or Major Motoko Kusinagi in the anime movie Ghost in the Shell.
GITS even uses a quote from the bible to illustrate the point, “Now I see through a glass darkly/then we shall see face to face” Corinthians I, 13:11
And of course, Phil’s Scanner Darkly and Bergman’s Through a Glass Darkly deal with similar themes. Self realization and the possible madness if the realization is too much for the individual to bear…
ya know, light carefree kind of concerns 😉
