DalekTek790
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I never said anything about sex. Aleck however focused entirely on that subject and put me in a position where I had no alternative but to address that topic. An Aleck+followers vs. Lee topic is exactly what I was trying to avoid here (read my first post). And I didn’t say anything about myself except that I do not believe the theory that there is some sort of instinct that makes people have a sexual appetite.
Aleck is trying to make me out to be somehow abnormal. The fact is that I am just an average 18 year old American male college freshman.
As my hero Dr. Carl Sagan said, “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.” I would like to hear some sort of legitimate scientific evidence that this notion of an inborn sex drive is accurate. I believe what is factually supported. Nothing more, nothing less.
Now let’s try to get this back on topic.
I never said anything about genetic manipulation, either. From a purely logical point of view sex would have no biological purpose if reproduction is done through cloning. The abandonment of the practice would be cultural, not genetic. Perhaps some members toward the beginning would require processes like therapy, instrumental conditioning, or even drugs to eliminate urges (as was done in Terrestria), but it would be done.
And the idea that a clone race would try to alter the non-clones is just part of the bias that clones are evil, which is simply not logical. A cloned race would exist because there were no other humans. Cloning would be a way to perpetuate the dwindling human population in the unfortunate event of near extinction. Clones would not only be human, but the [i]only[/i] humans.
To use my own hypothetical example, the Yün Siph are pacifists. They take action only when order is disrupted. The war on their people was started by an evil totalitarian régime who used religious and political manipulation to convince the trans-human commonfolk that the Yün Siph were the source of all their problems. This propaganda campaign was launched for the purpose of scapegoating, placing blame on a group that the organization seeking power had the ability to eliminate.
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Originally posted by Urusaibob:
Dalek, u have major problems please see doctor for your issues.
[img]http://www.shillpages.com/dw/bakert04.jpg[/img]
Oh, ha ha. [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by Aleck:
(shaking head) Man, you know, I try and I try to stay within the boundaries of civil conversation, and stick to the topic at hand, and you continue to turn these topics around to support some stance that has no support in the scientific world.
You were the one who brought sex and Puritan values into this thread, not I. I don’t know if you’re trying to make me feel ashamed for saying cloning is okay or if you’re just trying to start an argument but it’s getting on my nerves.
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Originally posted by Headgehog:
Well there ws Col. McQueen and another main character from Space: Above and Beyond who were clones, or at least “grown” humans. And I may be wrong but didn’t they make clones of the SG1 crew in case of death of a member(s). Wasn’t Col. O’Neil killed and they replaced him with Col. O’Neill? It was so long ago I can’t remember. Dr. Bashir from ST-DS9 was gentically altered when he was very young. I’m not sure if you’d count that as cloning though. I believe that they also cloned a hero somewhere in Sliders. Then theres also a handful of people in “Brave New World”
You’re right, there are a number of good clone characters in sci-fi. But Dr. Bashir shouldn’t count, since genetic engineering isn’t really the same as cloning. He was born the usual way, his D.N.A. was just tinkered with afterward.
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SEX WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN! Every animal has sex. Everything from insects to fish to primates.
But in a cloned civilization sex would not be required to procreate, so the logical course of action would be to discontinue the practice.
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Humans think about sex every 6 seconds.
That’s an unfair generalization.
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mating is a natural urge and practice. See above. It’s need is so strong its at the base of Maslow Heirchy of needs. y’know right next to food and water.
Yes it is instinctive because of procreation, but with cloning doing that job it would no longer be necessary.
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BULLS**T! Unless you’ve been a enuch since birth, have you?
I don’t have bad thoughts. I am a good person.
[ 14-11-2001: Message edited by: DalekTek790 ]
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Originally posted by Hypatia:
Where’d you get a S2 poster DalekTek? Alls I could find was S3 (from Salter)
It wasn’t a true poster that I bought or anything. [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img] It was just something I designed on my computer using a neat picture I found online. [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img] Anyway, I took it down months ago because my mother didn’t approve of me having anything that sexual hanging on my wall.
Living human beings would not be used for organ banks. by removing a single gene we can cause an embryo to form with no brain or brain stem. They would grow into tissue without consciousness.
Under ideal conditions, a cloned population would not be necessary. It would however be a useful too in the case of a catastrophe or the colonization of another planet, where the the population is too small to maintain a viable gene pool or survivors/colonists are all one sex. The small original group would swell into an ideal population, and with reproduction done entirely by cloning sex would become obsolete.
Suppose there’s a terrible nuclear war, and all of humanity is wiped out with the exception of a single survivor. Now, there’s sophisticated technology just laying around intact after its owners have died, and he uses it to clone himself. The group produced could then clone themselves, and eventually the Earth would be repopulated. The new humanity would all look the same, but would have personalities almost as variable as the old humanity.
This is similar to the scenerio presented in [i]Earth[/i], a science fiction novel I am in the process of writing. It takes place in the distant future, after earth has been nuked back to the stone age and started to build itself back up over the millennia. In it, there are a number of trans-humans (homo sapiens, but not of our subspecies) that were produced by divergent evolution and eugenic breeding by nonhuman slavelords. The only group that did not suffer cultural regression during the nuclear holocaust is the Order of the Yün Siph. They are all cloned from a single man who lived long, long ago and are the epitome of spiritual enlightenment. The main character in the short story that is thus far my only published work of science fiction is a Yün Siph, a clone. The Yün Siph are the protectors of peace and order in a merciless and chaotic world, but suffer from hatred and prejudice because of their way of reproduction and the fact that they belong to the race responsible for the nuclear war.
I think after a few generations on entirely cloned reproduction, sex would be essentially forgotten. I do not believe that sexual appetite is something common to all humans as I have never felt it and I’ve always been taught that having such feelings would be bad.
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Originally posted by Mayaxiong:
Xev actually DOES have a tattoo around her navel, it’s not ‘scales’. I have a huge poster of it, and can see it quite clearly, it’s an Indian design (not American Indian)and she also has one on her lower back. It’s not necessarily a ‘love slave’ tattoo, I’ve seen lots of girls down here with those kinds of tattoos on their backs, in the summer, everyone here wears lots of belly shirts, so it’s not uncommon to see them. The tattoo showed up in Season 3, along with the new hair.
Yeah, I believe you. I remember seing some odd texture around her navel (not that I was looking), and scales just seemed logical to me, since she’s about a sixth reptilian. I meant “love slave tattoo” in the case of Zev (I wasn’t calling [i]you[/i] a love slave [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img] ), since that’s the only reason I can think of that she’d have a tattoo (where would she even get one? [img]images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img] ).
My poster of her is from the second season, before her midriff was exposed, so it doesn’t show her omphalic tattoo.
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Originally posted by Mayaxiong:
I now spend more time in other less-strenuous endeavors, and no urging from my friends during Lexx season, can pry me from the tv on Friday nights, therefore my social life is now relegated to Sunday afternoons.
Well, that’s one evening a week more social life than I have. [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by Elfkin:
Oh, I started wondering about if I need to get a life loooong before I started watching Lexx…
Ditto. I started wondering if I had a life back in grade school. [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by Dgrequeen:
There are seven segments in the iris HDS symbol.
Just like in an Insect. In fact, that reminds me of an interesting [i]Lexx[/i] dream I had last night… [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by Mayaxiong:
(anyone wanting to know what a ‘fluffer’ is, contact me by email, and I’ll tell you)
No, thank you. I’d rather just see the episode and learn for myself.
I’ve never been to the board at Sci-Fi, but you seem to be one of the nicer and more knowledgeable and insightful posters on this board. I too have noticed a certain lack of gratitude and compassion for fellow SadBoard members, here.
But on the other hand, perhaps the people who fail to acknowledge your contributions are simply unaware of or forgot about your efforts. Maybe they aren’t trying to hurt your reputation as much as you think.
I don’t know.
[ 14-11-2001: Message edited by: FX ]
This makes me think, maybe there should be a section of the SadBoard devoted to general, off-topic, non-sci-fi-related discussion. Another board I went to installed a “general chat” section after there was a lot of discussion of current events, maybe the people in charge of this board should consider doing something similar. Just a suggestion.
Yeah, the idea of a physically identical being is a little disquieting. Many people don’t realize that clones would not have the same memories as the original, or personality beyond the few aspects of the psyche that are governed genetically. Clones are effectively identical twins. And the idea of a same-age copy of a “real” human is absurd since clones would gestate and age at the same rate as a sexually-produced human.
Technophobia relating to human manipulation goes back a long way. A sci-fi short film was made around the turn of the century (19th-20th, now we can’t really say “the turn of the century” and have people be sure which time period we’re talking about) expressed the opinion that incubating premature human infants was playing God. There was a novel written about a woman created by artificial insemination that is a soulless shadow of humanity and goes on a killing spree. Plus there are still people out there who think vaccinations are wrong. Clonging is really just the latest in a long line of human technologies to be popularly opposed.
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Originally posted by Headgehog:
Okay, your proof works. But your basing your entire proof upon the assumption that the cluster was 10-12 lexxes. You then made a whole bunch of calculations that circles in on themselves. All you proved was 10 lexxes=10 lexxes
How did you make the assumption that its 10 lexxes long? When the Lexx flew on hte cluster (IWHS) it certainly moved more then 10 of its lengths before reaching space.
Watch Giga Shadow (Thursday if you don’t have it) and after teh Lexx picks up Kai it fly past the enormous Giga Shadow.
Like I said, I didn’t compare the Lexx directly to the Cluster, I compared it to the Giga Shadow, and compared the Giga Shadow to the Cluster. I did it with a number of frames from [i]The Giga Shadow[/i]. 2 of the Giga Shadow and the Cluster, 2 of the Lexx and the Giga Shadow, 1 of the Giga Shadow and its tendril, 2 of the Lexx and the Giga Shadow’s tendril. Each time the relative size came out approximately the same.
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Originally posted by Hypatia:
I think we both like list-making. I wrote this up to calm down after hearing the news and figured I’dinflictshare it with y’all.
Yeah, I’m a list-maker. My psychiatrist told me it might be part of my obsessive-compulsive behavior, but I don’t think so. Like you said, it’s a stress-reliever, whereas my compulsions [b]cause[/b] stress. I started a file on WordPro of just lists I was making, but it got too big so I split it up into lists on different subjects, so now I have like seven files. I’ve posted a bunch of my sci-fi lists here, but most I haven’t put on the board and many haven’t been seen by anyone but me. One day I’m going to put all my sci-fi information online in the form of a website, but I keep editing it over and over to make sure it’s perfect, which combined with my computer problems and my lack of knowledge regarding H.T.M.L. and the like have prevented me from putting a single page up after many months of work. [img]images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img]
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I actually can roll kinda like a cluster lizard, and I don’t have the Divine Order tattoo, I had one like Xev’s belly tattoo this summer (henna).
I didn’t know she [b]had[/b] a tattoo on her abdomen. I always thought those were scales. Of course, I thought the same of the mark at the base of her spine in [i]P4X[/i] (I wasn’t really looking, it just popped out at me), and that turned out to be a love slave tattoo.
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BTW, all of the items on my list are true for me [img]images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img]
That’s…interesting. Only three of mine are true of me (maybe that should be two, since Lyekka has been leaving me alone, lately [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img] ). Anyway, I came up with more un-funny signs of too much [i]Lexx[/i] viewing:
-You tell people that in a previous life you were the greatest bio-vizier who ever lived (no, not Al Gore, the [i]other[/i] dead guy in black who walks and talks was mine).
-You find yourself strangely fascinated by the lizards on the Discovery Channel (ooh, look at that tongue!).
-You have ever referred to an authority figure as “Divine Shadow” (what seems to be the problem, Divine Sh…officer).
-You are afraid your girlfriend might be a cannibal (actually, I don’t have this problem…).
-You are certain the lyrics are either “vaiyo a oh” or “yo-a-o,” and are willing to defend your side (…and it’s “[i]jerhume[/i] Brunnen-G,” not “‘shroom”).
-You discover you are turned on by young girls screaming…wait, that’s signs you’re watching too much [i]Doctor Who[/i].
-You think Kai is cool (dig that scorpion hook).
-You think Stan is cool (4-ever!).
-You have ever brought yourself to the verge of tears thinking about poor 790’s romantic troubles (*sniff* it’s so unfair…).
-You discover more and more parallels between your own life and the show (let’s see, I’m Kai in mentality, Stan when it comes to social skills, 790…).
Okay, this is eerie. I wrote a list of signs you watch too much [i]Lexx[/i] today and had just now come to the Lexx General forum to post it when I saw your post. [img]images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img] My “things I have learned from [i]Lexx[/i]” post yesterday was a deliberate shadowing of yours, but this is completely coincidental. So here is my semi-funny, anti-climactic sym-post:
[b]You might be watching too much Lexx if…[/b]
10. You are afraid of ballerinas.
9. You refer to your computer as “robot head.”
8. You have dreams about Lyekka.
7. You check the sky every evening to make sure Venus is still there.
6. You have “The Wheel” memorized.
5. You have ever attempted to roll like a Cluster lizard.
4. You are reading this.
3. You are writing this.
2. You have the Seal of the Divine Order tattooed somewhere on your body.
1. You wear your hair like Kai.
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Originally posted by Headgehog:
How’d you figure the cluster is 11 lexes wide. I’m watching the end of Giga shaodw now and it dwarfs the Lexx. Defiantly more then 11 lexes! And since the giga shadow was inside the cluster, the Cluster must have been much larger to encase it.
Okay, now by “lexx” I mean the length of the Lexx from head to tail, which is apparently 10 km. And the Cluster ws approximately 11 lexxes in diameter, 10-12 lexxes to allow for a generous margin of error. The Giga Shadow rolled up was an oblate spheroid 6.5 lexxes by 6.5 lexxes by 3.5 lexxes. The head segment that emerges from the Cluster is almost exactly one third the full diameter of the planetoid. I calculated the segment to be 3.6 lexxes wide (I rounded to 3.5 because it’s really more like 3.3-3.9, not exact). So that gives the Cluster a diameter of close to 11 lexxes. It may have been 12 lexxes, but I find it very unlikely that it was any bigger.
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Originally posted by Headgehog:
scifi.com had a salter diagram of the Lexx up about a year ago. It presented all the parts and their measurements. I just looked and they took it down. As soon as I can find some space I’ll upload it so everyone can view it again.From head to tail its 10km long. The head is 2.4 km tall. The head/body is 4.2 km long. The tail is 4.6 km long and the thing at the end is 1.2 km long. The tail and thing at the end is 0.56 km tall. The tail is made up of 25 segments each 182 m long. Plus 50m of filler by the thing at the end.
One site says “over 10 kilometers,” another says “five miles,” and several say “about the size of Manhattan.” This is incredibly confusing. I’v been analyzing the frames of various episodes and movies to come up with size of space ships and objects in relation to the Lexx.
The thing is, the Cluster’s diameter is 11 Lexxes, and if the lexx is only 10 km that means it’s a mere 110 km, a [b]very[/b] small planetoid. the Manhattan (45 km) size seemed more logical, since it would make the Cluster the size of a moderately large asteroid or medium-sized moon. I guess I’m gonna have to rework the sizes for all the objects (except for the stingers and the [i]Fore Shadow[/i], where the known value is Kai).
I did this because I wanted to find out how big a full-grown Insect was for a race summary I may or may not write. By the way, if anyone knows of a site with a vidcap from [i]Mantrid[/i] of the young Insect burrowing into the Cluster, please tell me.
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Originally posted by NB1:
DT, sometimes you seem so serious and your posts have little or no humor and then you go and do something like this and “Completely redeem yourself!!!!!” (my favorite quote from “Dumb and Dumber”) Anyhow I really enjoyed it and found it quite funny….you do have a great imagination….
Well, I can’t be serious [i]all[/i] the time. [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img] Anyway, I’m glad my wit is appreciated.
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Originally posted by Squish-ums:
I think to be fair to Blakes 7 and Dr Who, the Fx were as much as could be expected for the time, animatronics was in it’s infancy and there were no digital tools available, and that the BBC is a cheap and nasty station.
I saw an American remake of Dr Who, and I was impressed with the makeover they gave it, I think Blakes 7 has the potential to have a bigger impact in terms of FX than DR Who, as it’s that type of storyline.
Blakes 7 also has a more cult appeal than Dr Who, Dr Who appealed to the masses, where Blakes 7 seemed to want to be daring, but wasn’t allowed to be, if it had, it would have been the Lexx of it’s time.
Squishy [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
Actually, [i]Doctor Who[/i] did use computer graphics, as early as 1986. And if you compare season 26 of [i]Doctor Who[/i] to season 1 of [i]Star Trek: Next Generation[/i] (they were both 1988-89) the [i]Who[/i] looks a lot better. I find that show incredibly appealing (though certain parties on this board like to ridicule my [i]Who[/i] appreciation).
[i]Blake’s 7[/i] was really lower quality than [i]Doctor Who[/i], in terms of both effects and plot. But it was a good show, and a remake could do it wonders. The problem is few science fiction shows have been remade into good films. There are exceptions, however ([i]Lost in Space[/i]).
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Originally posted by Hypatia:
Nook had about the same size as earth, but you can’t see the curvature of Nook as Lexx is orbiting above the ground. Earth curves about 1m per 8000 meters, so Lexx is under 8000 m(Before you think me a total nerd, I’m working on a simular problem in physics and just watched Nook)
Right, Manhatten is about 27 miles long.
Thanks. Now I have a reference point for my calculations (adjusted)-
Lexx length: 10 km
Lexx width: 4.8 km
Lexx height: 2.4 kmGiga Shadow width: 35 km
Giga Shadow diameter enrolled: 65 km
Giga Shadow length unrolled: 160 km
Giga Shadow height unrolled: 30 kmFore Shadow control pod width: 45.5 m
Fore Shadow body width: 220 m
Fore Shadow body length: 400 m
Fore Shadow net width: 4.1 kmMega Shadow body width: 2.4 km
Mega Shadow body length: 4.3 km
Mega Shadow net width: 8.7 kmStinger length: 12 m
Stinger height: 9.5 mWeb diameter: 35 km
Fractal Core disturbance radius: 30 km
Cluster diameter: 110 km
I think we all know who the “total nerd” award goes to today. [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
[ 20-11-2001: Message edited by: DalekTek790 ]
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Originally posted by FX:
damn! [img]images/smiles/icon_cool.gif[/img] yeah, but what you see in the toilet bowl might be pretty revealing [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
Say, that reminds me of a story. Once while very ill I watched [i]The Empire Strikes Back[/i]. After it was over I had to vomit, and I had a hallucination of starfighters shooting at each other inside the toilet bowl.
Funny list, Hypatia. I have a few things I’ve learned from watching [i]Lexx[/i] (then again, I knew a lot of them already).
25. There are two universes.
24. People have no respect for emotionless logic. (Already knew that)
23. If a girl has a Cluster tattoo, she’ll suck your neck.
22. If a [b]guy[/b] has a Cluster tattoo…never mind.
21. Nine year old kids can fly spaceships. (Also works for things I learned from watching [i]Star Wars: The Phantom Menace[/i])
20. Sex is a lot like death. (Expected that)
19. Don’t mess with Zev.
18. Be careful who you have sex with, they could be an evil shapeshifting demon who wants to steal your key.
17. There’s a lot of sound in space.
16. The dead are easily fooled.
15. If a girl says “I like you,” be wary. (Already knew that)
14. It’s not easy being the last of your race.
13. Pledging yourself eternally to someone won’t prevent them from walking away. (Already knew that)
12. When Venus and Mars disappear from the sky, the Red Fool, the Dark Man, and the Dead One will walk the Earth. (I better write that down right now…)
11. Just because a song has no real words doesn’t mean it won’t be hard as hell to get out of your head.
10. Cannibals are everywhere.
9. Hillbillies are everywhere.
8. There’s too much sex in the universe(s). (Already knew that)
7. Never lean against a pane of glass when the Eye of Harmony is open. (Wait, that’s things I learned from watching [i]Doctor Who[/i])
6. Bells and rap music mean everything’s okay.
5. The president is a moron. (Already knew that)
4. [b]Never[/b] mess with Zev.
3. Insects are cool. (Already knew that)
2. The wheel doth turn.
1. Life isn’t fair.By the way, I think Kai would make the best spiritual guide. Of course, since seventh grade, whenever I was unsure of what was right, I’ve always thought to myself “What would Spock do in this situation?”
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Originally posted by mayaxiong:
Again, DT, just go back and watch it, instead of continuously saying you have no memory of seeing that or the dialog, I don’t think that would be so difficult. especially since you haven’t see alot of the episodes at all…
Just saying you don’t remember it, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. It’s on my taped tv version, it’s on the dvd….geez.. [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
I didn’t say it didn’t happened, I just don’t remember it. The (American) Sci-Fi Channel version was missing at least two scenes that are described on Slopmaster’s site, that might’ve been cut as well. I don’t have all the episodes on tape, but I have seen nearly every one. I only had to miss [i]Boomtown, Vlad, Fluff Daddy[/i], and [i]Magic Baby[/i] due to circumstances beyond my control.
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Originally posted by Elfie:
then i saw some pictures from it online… and -GAH- it just looked so old and corny. [img]images/smiles/icon_redface.gif[/img]/ i blew it off, but i still wonder what ppl see in it since i meet fans of the show all the time. i can not stomach dr. who so i think i let that opinion influence me, too.if it ever comes on pbs here i might try it, but i gotta know: do the acting and stories make up for the horrible look of the show? [img]images/smiles/icon_redface.gif[/img]|
I wouldn’t say it has a “terrible” look. The alien makeup, modelwork, and C.S.O. matting are all mediocre to awful, but some of the design is good. The acting isn’t that bad either (although it did have Colin Baker in it [img]images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img] ). Some of the stories were great, though (the head writer was Terry Nation! [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] ), and the music was excellent. My favorite episode of the show is [i]Animals[/i] (I’m pretty sure that’s the title), about bioengineering. Sure, all the “organic machines” look like they’re midgets covered in duct tape, but it is a powerful story.
[i]Blake’s 7[/i] isn’t anywhere near [i]Doctor Who[/i] level (I cringe to think there was a crossover planned). It’s really more [i]Lost in Space[/i] territory. Okay, and with quite a few amazing episodes in each season. Definite remake potential.
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Originally posted by Mayaxiong:
Uh, no DT, I did not ‘imagine’ it..
Just get the dvd and see for yourself. The ep Love Grows is the one with the space truckers carrying the category 13 biohazard stuff that turns everyone into the opposite sex.When the older lady from the ship attempts to have her ‘way’ with Stanley, Xev intercedes, then you hear the sounds of whoopie, then Stan comes back in closing up his jumpsuit, while Xev says, “Oh, make me something to eat first.” After the Lexx sprinkles his little blue glittery antidote on them, everyone changes back. That’s why you hear 790 scream “Stanley, you slut!!” when they come back to the bridge. Xev asks if she is still virgin now because of her liason with Stan, and the speech I was talking about comes right after that.. go watch it and see, it’s one of the funniest eps ever. [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
I saw the episode, but I have no memory of the scene or dialog you’re referring to.
As for [i]Fluff Daddy[/i], I haven’t seen the episode yet (and it’s killing me! Incomplete Lexxperience… [img]images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img] ), but it is my understanding that Zev’s eating people was part of the seven-year Cluster lizard mating cycle (gee, does that sound like a race we know? [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img] ). Now, at the time she ate the living Kai she was at peak œstrus, which would imply, uh…fertility. So I would think that if she did actually mate with him she would be pregnant.
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Originally posted by Mayaxiong:
You did forget just one more…Love Grows, Xev and Stan engage in sex, even though their genitalia are reversed, which gives rise to one of Kai’s funniest speeches, on how Xev is still technically a virgin, but Stanley is not.
Uh, I don’t remember that. Are you sure you’re not imagining things?
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There’s also the possibility of sex in Fluffdaddy, but no one is really sure yet… [img]images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img]
That’s another episode I still need to see.
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Originally posted by FX:
[img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img], yes the fact that there is no real sex on lexx has been discussed here before, but as you say, my memories are getting hazy; read any good books lately? [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
There are only six episodes where actual sexual intercourse tales place:
[b]White Trash[/b] -Stan has sex with Sissy.
[b]Nook[/b] -Zev has sex with Brother Stack and two other Nookians.
[b]Boomtown[/b] -I haven’t seen this episode yet, but I hear Stan has sex with a woman in it.
[b]The Key[/b] -Stan has sex with Prince.
[b]The Rock[/b] -Bunny has sex with Brund.
[b]Walpurgis Night[/b] -Stan has sex with Muffy.The other episodes listed just have sexual reference, innuendo, or attampted sexual intercourse. [i]Lexx[/i] seems to have more sexual elements altogether than the average science fiction television series.
[ 08-11-2001: Message edited by: DalekTek790 ]
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Originally posted by Aeryn Crichton:
Yeah, it’s a great movie. The things I remember most are Ogra, Fizgig, of course Kira and (can’t remember his name except that it starts with a J), and the Skeksis.
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Originally posted by Gelfling:
WOW!
That’s quite a mouthful DalekTek790 [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
I would love to expound further on the merrits of this particualr movie(which I may add I did not actually see until I was an adult) but memory fails me now.
Sad but true, I chose my screen name because I felt it was cute, I too had a crush on Kira, and (oh my god what was his name Jem? Jen? big ol gasp and self flogging).
I guess I tend to “get into” [i]The Dark Crystal[/i] more than others. I’ve researched the making of it and the supplemental books, made my own page devoted to the movie (it’s not up anymore), and seen it I don’t know how many times. It all seems so familiar to me. I forget that the typical person can’t quite remember all the details. Okay, here are the main characters-
[b]Jen[/b]: Our Gelfling hero.
[b]Kira[/b]: His lovely Gelfling companion.
[b]Fizzgig[/b]: That annoying furball.
[b]Aughra[/b]: The one-eyed witch.
[b]urSu the Master[/b]: The Mystic that sends Jen on his quest.
[b]skekSil the Chamberlain[/b]: The Skeksis exile.
[b]skekUng the Garthim Master[/b]: The new Skeksis emperor.
[b]skekTek the Scientist[/b]: The essence-stealing scientist.
[b]SilSol[/b]: The urSkek who heals Kira.
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Originally posted by Gelfling:
Sad but true, I chose my screen name because I felt it was cute, I too had a crush on Kira, and (oh my god what was his name Jem? Jen? big ol gasp and self flogging).
Tell me, Gelfling, do you have wings? [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
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“Exterminate!” -Dalek warrior, [i]The Daleks[/i]: Episode 4-[i]The Ambush[/i]
“Feel the power of the dark Crystal!” -skekTek the Scientist, [i]The Dark Crystal[/i]
“I will love you forever!” -drone #790, [i]Lexx 1.1: I Worship His Shadow[/i]
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Originally posted by Elmey:
Nice idea, but I feel like being silly, so I have a few questions:
[img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]Cannibalism–
Should we count Lyekka as a cannibal since she isn’t actually eating her own species? [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
You’re right. Technically she’s an anthropophage (but if I said that I would get responses like “Is that a Shakespearean quote or a Metallica album?” [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img] )
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How about Xev eating brains in Twilight?
Forgot about that.
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Is Brizon a form of cannibalism rather than surgery?
That’s really more tissue grafting than eating.
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And please remind me what the cannibalism was in Heaven and Hell–I’m drawing a blank.
It wasn’t really cannibalism, just, uh, attempted cannibalism. [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img] Prince asked Zev to eat Priest’s brains. She couldn’t bring herself to do it.
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Sex–
I probably shouldn’t open this can of worms, but I don’t quite understand the criteria–how does Mantrid (included), for example, have more sex than Lyekka (not included) and so on.
In [i]Mantrid[/i] Zev said she’d have sex with Stan if he took the Lexx through the fractal core. But she didn’t hold to her word. [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]
I don’t remember any sex in [i]Lyekka[/i].
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Originally posted by Mayaxiong:
Um…and your point is? [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
My point is I make a lot of lists and this message board is my main outlet. [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
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I’ll probably be there. Just I don’t want people insulting me like they did in the previous chatroom sessions I attended. [img]images/smiles/icon_sad.gif[/img]
[img]http://lavender.fortunecity.com/tomatoes/168/darkcrys/intoDC/Jen-Crystal.JPG[/img]
[b]Feel the power[/b].
To prevent the “On Public Figures and Private Lives” thread from getting off topic, I’m starting the [i]Dark Crystal[/i] ravings on this thread, which Flamegrape has generously presented us with.
No film besides the [i]Star Wars[/i] movies evokes such strong emotions in me as [i]The Dark Crystal[/i]. The story is ingenious. Complex yet simple (I don’t know if that sounded Campbellian or just stupid [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img] ), a modern retelling of the classic tale of the hero’s quest, like [i]Star Wars[/i], only a “land” instead of “space” adventure. Actually, I read that the plot of [i]The Dark Crystal[/i] was based on an early draft of [i]Star Wars[/i]: Episode IV. I don’t know if that’s true, but from reading [i]Star Wars: The Annotated Screenplays[/i] I can definitely see parallels (with the Kiber Crystal and all). [i]The Dark Crystal[/i] is also one of those movies that you notice new things in every time you see it. I can also pick out what I think are allegorical/symbolic elements in it, but I got a little negative feedback at Froud Chat for my symbolic analysis so I won’t go into my theories here.
I first saw [i]The Dark Crystal[/i] when I was 10, and it had a profound impact on my psyche. I had seen [i]Labyrinth[/i], and thought that was pretty neat, but I was absolutely blown away by [i]The Dark Crystal[/i]. It had a beautifully ordered yet tragically chaotic world, with so many awe-inspiring elements it was almost an overload for my simple pre-adolescent mind. [img]images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img] And I still love it, maybe I can’t appreciate it in quite the same way I did when I first saw it, but it is to this day one of my favorite movies, and I can still “get into” it.
The creatures are amazingly lifelike and intriguing on both a visual and a psychological level. You have the admirable Mystics, the delightfully creepy Skeksis, the humorous Pod People, the wondrous wildlife. And the Gelflings! love those things (to be perfectly honest I used to have the biggest crush on Kira [img]images/smiles/icon_redface.gif[/img] ).
Yes, I’ve heard the reviews from critics and friends alike that it’s “flat,” “lacks edge,” is “hopelessly puerile,” “simply eye-candy,” or “too dark for children and too light for adults.” And I don’t know if anyone is really going to read this or if I’m typing in vain. But I say if you can just look beyond the Muppet-ness it’s really a great film. The script is well-written, and the characters are actually pretty realistic (more so than those of many “normal” sci-fi movies). All in all, [i]The Dark Crystal[/i] is an incredibly creative and moving science fantasy that almost rivals the [i]Star Wars[/i] films (almost [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img] ).
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Originally posted by Gelfling:
Please, go on and on, I love both The Dark Crystal AND Labrynth, so unbeknownst to me I *AM* a Froudian….
thank you for the enlightenment [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
Yes, sweet Gelfling essence!
[img]http://www.geocities.com/lady_cathleen/dimages/d_1kira.jpg[/img]
If you want to talk [i]Crystal[/i], Flamegrape opened up a new topic about the movie on the General Sci-Fi board.
By the way, the reason I have “Whovian, Froudian, Lexxian” in my standard signature is because the three components of my moniker are from [i]Doctor Who[/i], [i]The Dark Crystal[/i], and [i]Lexx[/i] respectively. In case you hadn’t already figured that out.
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[img]http://nitro9.earth.uni.edu/doctor/simpwho.gif[/img]
Thank you.
[ 07-11-2001: Message edited by: DalekTek790 ]
Okay, I’ve got to ask this. Hypatia, Flamegrape, [i]how[/i] do you post images that aren’t in the SadGeezer archive? [img]images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img] You have me completely baffled. [img]images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img]
I mean, I understand how folks can put [i]Lexx[/i] stuff in their posts, but lately I’ve been seeing brains and 3-D renderings and stills from shows not indexed on this site. How, by the Great Twin Suns of Ajum is this done? [img]images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img] [i]please[/i] tell me how you do this. I could [i]so[/i] utilize that function. [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by Mayaxiong:
I could have sworn there used to be a Blake’s 7 section at Saddy’s…
There was once a [i]Blake’s 7[/i] topic, but never a section (as far as I’ve been here).
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As for the Lexx-Blakes’s 7 comparison..
1. the captian is an outlaw, wanted for termination after being sentenced to death.
2. He steals a ship, that has a talking sentient ‘computer’ with other various renegades, outlaws, etc, in a search for either a new home, or a means to reach one.
3. He is accompanied by a man in black, with a cold disposition, who has no compuction with killing, and has a devastating effect on female fans not unlike you-know-who..
4. They’re hounded and chased and given to exploring new planets that always seem to get them into trouble..
Yeah, I think I mentioned that in an earlier post. [i]Lexx[/i] borrows from a lot of sci-fi.
I always thought [i]Blake’s 7[/i] was pretty good. It’s sort of like [i]Doctor Who[/i], only with a low budget. [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by Aleck:
The Ewoks were originally supposed to be Wookiees and (despite the typical George Lucas retro-fitting of his decision-making) were changed to cute, teddy-bear-esque creatures after the success of marketing the alien characters (especially Yoda) to children. The Ewok situation is based purely on greed and marketing potential, while they at least gave Jar-Jar some character and personality (whether or not that character or personality is *appealing* is another question, but they at least were able to create something that had more dimension than the Ewoks).
I don’t think the transition from Wookiees to another race was just to sell toys.
quote[quote]The Wookiee planet that I created for [i]Star Wars[/i] was eventually turned into the Ewok planet in [i]Jedi[/i]. I basically cut the Wookiees in half and called them Ewoks! I didn’t make Endor a Wookiee planet because Chewbacca was sophisticated technologically and I wanted the characters involved in the battle to be primitive.[/quote]
-George Lucas, [i]Star Wars: The Annotated Screenplays[/i]
If you look at the development of the Ewoks in the concept art for Episode VI you’ll see that they weren’t always cute. The Ewaks [sic] were originally dwarfs, but fairly ugly. They then evolved to plain, then super-cute, then the semi-cute look that’s in the final version.
I think the final Ewok form was unnecessarily cute and possibly commercially-motivated, but it could’ve been worse (just look in [i]The Art of Return of the Jedi[/i] *cringe*).
Yoda also went through a Disney-esque stage before the now familiar look was created (by Wendy Froud, no less).
As for Jar Jar Binks and the Gungans, I don’t see them as being African-American. They aren’t all silly, either. Of Course Jar Jar is, but he’s not the typical representitive of the culture. He was an outcast, an atypical Gungan specimen with traits that the Gungan social majority despised.
People just dissect [i]Star Wars[/i] to the point in which they’re inventing meaning, rather than discovering it. Some say it’s predjudiced against Blacks, Orientals, even Jews (yeah, right). That’s nonsense.
I can’t say I find either Ewoks or Jar Jar intolerable.
Jar Jar would’ve been fine if he got less screen time for his silly antics, but they practically focused on him. I also think maybe it would’ve been a good move to have him his usual self at first, but more serious in attitude when he became a general for the battle at the end.
In the Star Wars Insider Ahmed Best said something about “taking the character in a different direction” for Episode II, which sounds good to me. He’s also only getting a cameo appearance and a few lines, so he can’t detract from the plot like he did in Episode I.
I think all of the [i]Star Wars[/i] films are great, but each one has a few minor problems.
“Froudian” would refer to fans of Brian Froud, the genius who brought us The Dark Crystal, Labyrinth and several books on mythology and folklore.
I could go on and on about [i]The Dark Crystal[/i], but I don’t want to disrupt your thread.
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“Exterminate!” -Dalek warrior, [i]The Daleks[/i]: Episode 4-[i]The Ambush[/i]
“Feel the power of the dark Crystal!” -skekTek the Scientist, [i]The Dark Crystal[/i]
“I will love you forever!” -drone #790, [i]Lexx 1.1: I Worship His Shadow[/i]
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Originally posted by :
Umm, Stan almost destroyed a planet (twice!) to save his girlfriend, he’s tried to blackmail Xev into sex (Supernova), he’s tried to trick her into sex (Nook), he’s tried to destroy Holland…
My point is: she clearly has strong feelings for Stan, but the love slave part of her makes her feel like she should seek the most physically attractive men.
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Originally posted by :
I don’t remember a ‘Zev’ in Star Wars.
Zev Senesca was a Rebel pilot played by Christopher Malcom. He was credited as “Zev (Rogue 2)” in [i]The Empire Strikes Back[/i] but was not credited for his appearance in [i]Return of the Jedi[/i].
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Originally posted by Kali:
Kai hasn’t exactly been Mr. Perfect Man, either. He rejected her, and not very kindly, in “Love Grows”. He’s shown 790 more outright affection than he’s shown Xev.
Now, I wouldn’t say Kai was unkind in [i]Love Grows[/i]. He had a very good reason to reject her. Sex isn’t the same to Kai as it is to Zev, and he explains that to her. She’s was just too immature and horny to accept that. That’s my favorite scene in that (otherwise rather unentertaining) episode. It does a good job of contrasting the characters.
As I see it, it is to his credit that he rejected her.
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In response to the question asked in a now vanished post, I was the one who pseudonymously started this topic. I’m glad some people found it funny (my last joke post wasn’t too well received). [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
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“Gelfling?” Another Froudian?!? [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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“Exterminate!” -Dalek warrior, [i]The Daleks[/i]: Episode 4-[i]The Ambush[/i]
“Feel the power of the dark Crystal!” -skekTek the Scientist, [i]The Dark Crystal[/i]
“I will love you forever!” -drone #790, [i]Lexx 1.1: I Worship His Shadow[/i]
[ 05-11-2001: Message edited by: DalekTek790 ]
As I said, I don’t want another battle.
I haven’t seen [i]Vlad[/i] yet. I don’t remember anybody but Zev ever licking people. It seems like a predation kind of thing, at least at a symbolic level.
I know E. E. Smith from the [i]Lensman[/i] series, but I’m not a fan or anything. He might be famous for something else, I don’t know.
The thing is [i]Star Wars[/i] was the first real space adventure film. In 1977 nobody had seen anything like that, it was unprecedented.
[i]Star Wars[/i] is great because it has mythic and spiritual elements that [i]Lexx[/i] doesn’t have (neither do most sci-fi movies). They’re really not comparable, since they’re very different types of movies. They appeal to different parts of the psyche, and somewhat different audiences (the [i]Star Wars[/i] films appeal to viewers of all ages, [i]Lexx[/i] isn’t really made for anyone younger than 9 or 10). I’m not sure they’re really applicable to side-to-side comparison.
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Originally posted by mayaxiong:
Well, my guess is that she loves him for two main reasons:
1. Her love-slave programming imprinted the desire to please attractive men. You notice she doesn’t go for Stan even though he’s the only live male on the ship.
2. He’s unbearably beautiful, probably more beautiful than anything she had seen in her prior existense, after all, she was raised in a box..She doesn’t reject other attractive males, but they always end up leaving her, either by choice, or because someone kills them, (and sometimes that person is Kai..) And Kai does not abandon her.
[img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
I’d have to agree with that. I think the human part of Zev loves Stan because he’s a nice guy, but the love slave part of her lusts after Kai because he’s attractive.
Her Cluster lizard component may also be attracted to Kai, since it would motivate her to seek out mates with the best inheritable characteristics for offspring, and just by looking I’d guess Kai would have better genes than Stan. [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
Heck, maybe the reason she doesn’t go for Stan is because he has the gene for sickle-cell anemia (remember [i]Species II[/i]?). [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
While we’re on topic, let’s discuss the similarities between [i]Lexx[/i] movies and the first [i]Star Wars[/i] trilogy. Both have:
-A noble race of warriors killed off by an evil organization.
-An evil organization run by a being with supernatural powers.
-A pilot in a one-man fighter deliberately crashing into the control area of a giant space ship.
-A galactic civil war.
-Battles in space.
-Planets getting blown up.
-Holograms.
-Humans acting like machines.
-Machines acting like humans.
-A damsel in distress with a strength of her own.
-A space captain forced into a rebellion.
-A wise mystical figure to tell the warrior of his quest.
-A hero killed in one-on-one combat with a dark figure.
-A man in black robes shooting electrical bolts at the warrior.
-Little toaster robots wheeling around corridors.
-Someone named Zev.
If we’re going to point fingers about borrowed elements, I think [i]Lexx[/i] is much guiltier than [i]Star Wars[/i].
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Originally posted by Aleck:
I’m not saying that if you want to make a comment of this nature that you shouldn’t — I’d say go right ahead, but allow for the fact that someone may find it insulting and may point that out. I’d also say to make your point in a place where it is germaine to the discussion. Your feelings of disgust regarding Lomea/Lomia have nothing to do with the topic. It’s just another attempt by you to speak from on high about your own warped view of morality and how it’s superior to others’.
I said I was sorry for taking us off topic. I didn’t think my post would affect the course of the thread. I was just responding to Jason’s post about being repulsed by the Stan seduction scenes.
I didn’t anticipate people being insulted by the fact that I was disgusted by certain scenes in certain episodes of [i]Lexx[/i] (and it’s not just Lomea, that thing with the violent sex website thing at the end of [i]P4X[/i] really made me cringe, and they showed WAY too much in that shower scene). [img]images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img] I didn’t say the episodes were bad. I thought maybe somebody would say like “yeah, I thought that was gross, to” but nothing major.
And I never said my morality was superior to others’. I’m sure many of the people reading this have ethics similar to mine. And that post had nothing to do with ethics. Stop trying to read into these things. It’s getting ridiculous. [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by Mercury:
Your saying watching that episode made you feel dirty? Please be joking….
Sorry to say, I wasn’t joking. [img]images/smiles/icon_sad.gif[/img] I have obsessive-compulsive disorder and I get overpowering sensations of uncleanliness from certain stimuli.
Okay, if we want to get this thread back on topic: I feel Zev’s licking habit is reflective of her predatory approach toward sex.
Cool it with the insults, Aleck. I don’t want another battle.
[i]Twilight[/i] and [i]P4X[/i] are both good plots, just some scenes in the episodes repulsed me. Like the Lyekka-Lomea thing, the prison shower, and the violent pornograpy scene. Others may not be affected in the same way by that kind of discord.
One of my quirks is having the strong compulsion to wash my hands (and sometimes the inside of my mouth) when I see or hear something bad. I’ve been doing it less since I switched medication and went on the Schwartz 4-step plan, though.
Sorry to get us all off topic.
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Originally posted by FX:
well judging from the fact that saddy and newkate are usually just stretching and crawling out of bed when i call them at noon THEIR time, i am assuming they just wanted to sleep in today and are getting a late start as it is saturday [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] besides, they always stay up way past my bedtime to make up for it…don’t give up hope yet [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
Well, at least there’s still hope. There were some good posts and discussions that got erased. People were actually reacting positively to a topic I started (the joke post with the cut scenes was by me, in case no one had figured that out). [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by Jason:
Brian Downey certainly does a good job making Stan appear nerdy and repulsive when he’s hitting on women. For me, those have to be the most cringe inducing scenes in all of Lexx.
Is that all? For me the most cringe-inducing scenes are in the episodes with Lauren Abrahams. [img]images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img]
I remember watching [i]Twilight[/i] and Lyekka was walking up to Lomea, obviously about to eat her, and I’m thinking “okay, this isn’t necessarily going to be bad, this could be a decent anthropophagous scene with no sexual undertones.” Then they get a little close, and I’m thinking “okay, this still isn’t necessarily going to be bad, she could just snap the girl’s neck and eat her like a nice heterosexual plant.” Then they got a little TOO close and I quick changed the channel and watched Larry King for a few minutes until I was sure the awful scene must be over.
Then there was [i]P4X[/i]. I had to wash my hands and mouth for 5 minutes before I was convinced I was clean after seeing that episode.
Disgusting stuff. [img]images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by SadGeezer:
But there are still lots of problems. [img]images/smiles/icon_sad.gif[/img]The server that sadgeezer.com is located on suffered a major disk crash and all the date before 26th Oct was lost.
Apparently, the Cobalt (server) restore process is so poor that it’s taken a week to restore from the backup.
Most of the CGI scripts (board, search, etc) need to be reprogrammed and this is going to take me a few days.
Please be patient, everything should be back to normal by the weekend.
Well, it’s the weekend, and the lost posts are still not there. Does that mean they’re gone for good?
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Originally posted by X:
[url=http://texxlexx.tripod.com/TVzone.html]http://texxlexx.tripod.com/TVzone.html[/url]I created listing of TV Zone online LEXX articles and reviews.
Thank you for the scans btw, Kali. I opted not to use them for copyright reasons, sorry for the fuss [img]images/smiles/icon_sad.gif[/img]
I found something like that on another site. You might want to check this out, X.
