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Now [i]this[/i] is a topic I can [i]really[/i] get [b]into[/b]! (Pun intended!)
Can you scan that picture from the magazine? I’d like to see it. I’ve never heard of him before but I’m glad you pointed out Dr. Johnston’s work!
Here is [url=http://www-psych.nmsu.edu/victorpg.html]Dr. Victor Johnston’s webpage[/url]. You can take his survey.
Other webpages about Dr. Johnston feature a picture of a short-haired brunette that was a composite of 16 faces. Is that the image of which you speak? If so, I think she looks a [i]little[/i] like Xev, but not completely.
But Xenia’s got it. Yeah, baby, she’s got it. I don’t know where to begin. I could write an essay.
This is a concept that has intrigued me for years. But I’ve had no idea where to begin postulating any theories. I have my own ideas of what is attractive, but they don’t always match up with what others think. For instance, I think Sandy Bullock is beautiful but others have described her as “handsome”– a term usually applied to men.
I really have to think about this and write something more lengthy and thoughtful…
[img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]I agree with Tish. The Earth will be destroyed.
Furthermore, [i]Lexx[/i] will make great material for “Bob”. BTW, let me introduce myself as Rev. Flamegrape of the Church of the Subgenius.
I also wanted to point out that Dr. Longbore had the right idea, flying off into space with the Sex Goddesses. But “Bob” wasn’t there for him to broker his soul. He just couldn’t outrun the Pinks and the rest of the Conspiracy of “normals”.
Think I’m a loony? Crazy like a fox, I say!
[img]http://www.flamegrape.com/pic/bob.gif[/img]
[i]The Xists
Have landed
Earth’s under
Their control
“Bob”‘s vision
Stands proven
The cities
Radioactive holes
We don’t know
What their game is
But their name is
Unpronounceable
We don’t know
What they came for
But what they aim for
Is impossible
The Xists have landed
Their machines
Follow in our tracks
“Bob”‘s Vision
Stands proven
A world
Without [b]slack[/b][/i](song: [i]The Xists Have Landed[/i] by Rev. Buck Naked of the Church of the Subgenius)
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Originally posted by Headgehog:
You’re such a tease. I found this one at thefrey.com
Aw, you ruined my fun!
[img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]quote:
Originally posted by Micromary:
Micro jumps up and down and whines:“No, no, NO, Flamegrape! WRONG shower scene. We want the OTHER one!”
Calming down, she tries to pull herself together – she IS after all, an adult.
Sticking her thumb in her mouth she remembers to add:
“Pweeeease!!!”[img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
Ohhhhhhhh! So sorry! Here ya go:
[img]http://www.flamegrape.com/pic/4225_KaiXevShower3.jpg[/img]
Much better!
[img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]Okay, here are the final versions of my three entries to the T-shirt contest:
[img]http://www.flamegrape.com/pic/UnCon2002_Prince-Breeder_v101_320x.jpg[/img]
This one was my first attempt. The picture above is rather small, so it’s hard to see the burning ruins of Cuba, Orlando, Ottawa, and Newfoundland. I put the mothbreeder in there in a sort of Monty Python animation fashion. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn’t. You be the judge!
[img]http://www.flamegrape.com/pic/UnCon2002_Lexx-Earth_v200_320x.jpg[/img]
This one is an extension of the first design. You can see the burning ruins better and the Lexx looks nice.
[img]http://www.flamegrape.com/pic/UnCon2002_Battersea_v301_320x.jpg[/img]
This one is my favorite. Fans of Pink Floyd will recognize elements of the cover of their album, [i]Animals[/i]. Fans of [i]Lexx[/i] will recognize Battersea power station from the episode [i]Midsummer’s Nightmare[/i]. Although the picture above is small, you might see that I replaced Pink Floyd’s flying pig with a moth. This was a design that I was playing with months ago. Also, there’s no need to worry about copyright infringement because I’ve sufficiently altered the album cover and turned it into a new work of art. I think it would look great on a black t-shirt.
[ 15-04-2002: Message edited by: Flamegrape ]
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Originally posted by elmey:
Hey FG, I see you’re back in good form!
Nice panty shot, now how about the shower scene…. [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
As you command, Captain…
[img]http://www.flamegrape.com/pic/4224_XevShower1.jpg[/img]
[img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]The first post I make in the Lexx forum in weeks and it gets ripped apart. LOL. [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img] Once again I feel I must defend my modest opinion on a point-by-point basis.
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Originally posted by sgtdraino:
Yes, there was that minor tie-in of the revelation that Lyekka is an enemy, but to me it felt cobbled-on. Mostly this episode was a simple excuse to get wacky with a plot totally unconstrained by the bounds of reality. If Lyekka was really out to eliminate them, it would have been simpler to just poison them, than to make them paranoid.
If [i]Trip[/i] was just filler, then so was [i]Brigadoom[/i]. [i]Brigadoom[/i] provided motivation for the crew of the Lexx to fight Mantrid. [i]Trip[/i] provided motivation for the crew of the Lexx to fight Lyekka and, in addition, risk confrontation with Prince (a point heavily underscored in this episode). Unlike [i]Brigadoom[/i], the motivation was direct, not subtley inspired in a song. Lyekka attempted to [b]poison[/b] Stan and Xev. Remember that part? It was the part where they ate those berries and succumbed to homicidal paranoia. Lyekka tried to trick the only ones who had the power to stop her. Why did Lyekka take this action? Because she found out that Xev did not trust her in [i]Apocalexx Now[/i], another episode accused of being “filler”. And obviously Xev has an influence over Stan that overrides Lyekka’s charms, a characterization that was heavily underscored in [i]Trip[/i]. If this episode was just filler, then the Lexx and crew would fly off into space and return to Earth to defeat Lyekka for no good reason.
Motivation doesn’t come from out of nowhere or contrived with wooden, rational emotions. That kind of thing happens on shows like [i]Star Trek[/i].
(Activating know-it-all subroutine… j/k)
[img]http://www.flamegrape.com/pic/maskscomedytragedy.gif[/img]
You see, there’s this thing called [i]theater[/i] that was invented by the Greeks ca. 500 B.C.E. They used masks such as the ones seen above.
[i]”The philosopher Aristotle called Euripides the most tragic of the poets because his plays were the most moving. Like tragedy, comedy arose from a ritual in honor of Dionysus, but in this case the plays were full of frank obscenity, abuse, and insult.”[/i]
( [url=http://www.crystalinks.com/greektheater.html]http://www.crystalinks.com/greektheater.html[/url] )These two masks, comedy and tradgedy, have become a symbol for theater in general. The makers of [i]Lexx[/i] should be proud of their creation. It contains heavy does of both comedy and tradgedy. On many occasions in season 4, we see the death of millions of people in comedic fashion, a point spelled out in mile-high neon letters in [i]Trip[/i]. (Stan and Xev giggling about billions of aliens being eaten by Lyekka.)
(DEACTIVATING know-it-all mode!)
And while we’re talking about filler episodes written by Jeff, let’s talk about [i]Xevivor[/i] for just a second. Another thread discussed subplot arcs this season. There is at least one subplot that was ignored in that thread: XEV THE SUPERSTAR and her quest to get laid. Her incredible libido and it’s function in the story is all too often ignored as unimportant compared to hero Kai or the evil plots of the bad guys. Involved in a trailer park multiple murder, internet porn goddess, hit TV show star… her fame on Earth was an important plot point on many occasions. (e.g. [i]Magic Baby[/i], [i]Mort[/i], and [i]Haley’s Comet[/i].)
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Originally posted by sgtdraino:
1. “It was all a dream” episodes tend to be inherently disappointing. You’ve got to admit you were a bit disappointed that Kai was still dead at the end. I know I was.
Nope, sorry. I wasn’t disappointed. I like undead Kai the way he is. If he had actually came back to life in this episode, I would have commented that the Beans were pandering to the Kai-droolers. I would have been happy for the good ol’ Kai-droolers, but it would have deprived Kai of his supernatural powers. They would have had to re-establish Kai as a new and different character with different motivations and emotions… yet another point that was made in this episode.
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Originally posted by sgtdraino:
2. It’s high time they got serious, for the big finale. In the previous seasons, things have always gotten heavy and edge-of-your-seat towards the end. Yet we are still frollicking about with light comedy, and no real sense of impending doom. Only two episodes left, and next week’s doesn’t look serious either!
Simple answer: Kai is doomed. He will [b]DIE[/b]. Will Prince keep his promise and allow him to live? [i]That[/i] doesn’t have you in suspense? It does for me, as I’m sure it does for the Kai-droolers!
In season 2, the crew of the Lexx had no choice but to deal with Mantrid in one way or another. They chose the heroic path. Here in season 4, they don’t [i]have[/i] to go back and save the stupid little blue planet. They chose to return to Earth and face peril. That takes real courage. More courage than necessity, which was the case in season 2.
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Originally posted by sgtdraino:
Eh, Xev already told us that she doesn’t wear underwear. Did you see underwear? where?
[img]http://www.flamegrape.com/pic/XevsPanties.jpg[/img]
But I’ll be sure to make a version of my Xev videogame character without any underwear! (heh, heh, heh…)
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Originally posted by Flamegrape:
I wonder if that was really Prince or just a hallucination?
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Originally posted by sgtdraino:
Hallucination.
You don’t know that for certain. The food dispensor squirting blood is out of the ordinary. Prince teleporting about, screwing with people’s minds is not anything new. Who knows, maybe Prince really was helping them snap out of their potentially fatal drug trip. Prince maybe gave them something else more rational to distrust other than each other. Or not. Prince is enigmatic. In this episode, I don’t think you see Prince doing anything out of character. Why didn’t Stan and Xev hallucinate Prince wearing black? Neither of them had ever seen Prince wearing white before. Only Kai (who was asleep during the trip) saw Prince wearing white.
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Originally posted by Flamegrape:
Before the beginning of this episode, I turned to my friend and said, “It’s all going to be a dream, or something like that. Kai won’t come back to life.” It turns out I was right about that, but I don’t mind. At least you get to see Live-Kai again.
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Originally posted by sgtdraino:
But you didn’t. It was just an hallucination. And on top of that, I like Lexx better when it’s NOT predictable.
You’re splitting hairs. I [i]said[/i] that I was right about my prediction that it would all be just a dream. But I also said you (the viewer) get to see Live-Kai (MM portraying the part of Kai as he would be if he were alive) again. Look up at the picture I posted above. Who’s hand is on Xev’s thigh? It’s Kai looking very much alive. Yes, I know he’s just a hallucination. The point I was trying to make is that the viewer gets to [i]see[/i] Kai live and breathe, even if it’s just a dream. How many convoluted variations of explainations told in a Mojo-Jojo fashion does it take to get my point across? Sheesh! (You know I’m only kidding, sgtdraino!)
[img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]quote:
Originally posted by sgtdraino:
Kai says they can’t be repaired. Although there is a working cryopod underneath Castle Dracul… but we’re betting the Beans aren’t going to mess with it.
Speak for yourself. It could be part of the reason why the Vlad subplot existed in the first place.
Anyway…
IMHO, this episode ranks up there with [i]Brigadoom[/i]. Instead of a musical, it was a drug trip. It was “medicine” before the battle, to use the North American Indian term. But who was the “medicine man” that guided our heros? I think that might be Prince. Otherwise Stan and Xev would have certainly killed each other. (I have to check my tape on this point but…) Why did Prince tell both of them to go to the cryochamber? Kai was there to save them. What’s his motivation for saving Earth? Maybe all the other planets have been eaten by Lyekka. Something to ponder, but I’m not sticking with the idea because I’m not certain.
For future reference, folks, please don’t bit-by-bit pick apart someone’s opinion. If the subject is debateable, then fine. But I was just giving my own review of the episode. No need to reply in hostility, sgtdraino. You sort of ticked me off, but I won’t hold that against you. You’re a good guy!
[img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img][ 14-04-2002: Message edited by: Flamegrape ]
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Originally posted by sgtdraino:
[QB]Episodes: 1.04, 2.01Inconsistency: In 2.01, the voice of HDS tells us that the Giga Shadow was destroyed by the Lexx (and we see a shot of the Lexx blowing up the Cluster), but we all REALLY know the Giga shadow was destroyed by the Fractal Core, when its positive mass got tangled up in the Fractal Core’s anti-mass, after Squish bit into its brain. Why does HDS say the Lexx destroyed it?
Explanation: Perhaps the narration is being done by the remnant essence left in Kai, which was transfered before the Giga Shadow was destroyed… ergo this remnant isn’t sure how the Giga Shadow bought it. OR perhaps HDS blames the Lexx because the Giga Shadow was attached to the Lexx when it got pulled into the Fractal Core.
Rating: 2
That’s easy to explain. It was just a simplification of the backstory. The statement, “The Lexx destroyed the Gigashadow” generally explains what happend for the benefit of newbie viewers watching this show for the first time on the SciFi Channel. The viewer doesn’t really need to know exactly [i]how[/i] the crew of the Lexx defeated the Gigashadow. Explaining that the Gigashadow “was destroyed by the Fractal Core, when its positive mass got tangled up in the Fractal Core’s anti-mass, after Squish bit into its brain” is not relavent to the story of [i]2.01 Mantrid[/i] and would only confuse the viewer.
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Originally posted by :
Finally, what type of t.v. do autistic persons like the most? Science Fiction. I’ve loved the stuff even before I found out that I had autism. So, it make sense.
Really? Is that a statistical fact? That’s interesting. I suppose it has something to do with the volume of information involved with science-fiction?
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Originally posted by JumpingJedi:
Welcome back Flame!
[i]I’m comin’ up so you better you better get this party started
I’m comin’ up so you better you better get this party startedGet this party started on a Saturday night
Everybody’s waitin’ for me to arrive
Sendin’ out the message to all of my friends
We’ll be lookin’ flashy in my Mercedes Benz
I got lotsa style, got my gold diamond rings
I can go for miles if you know what I mean
I’m comin’ up so you better you better get this party started
I’m comin’ up so you better you better get this party startedPumpin up the volume, breakin down’ to the beat
Cruisin’ through the west side
We’ll be checkin’ the scene
Boulevard is freakin’ as I’m comin’ up fast
I’ll be burnin’ rubber, you’ll be [b]kissin’ my ass[/b]
Pull up to the bumper, get out of the car
License plate says Stunner #1 SuperstarI’m comin’ up so you better you better get this party started
I’m comin’ up so you better you better get this party started
Get this party startedMakin’ my connection as I enter the room
Everybody’s chillin’ as I set up the groove
Pumpin’ up the volume with this brand new beat
Everybody’s dancin’ and their dancin’ for me
I’m your operator, you can call anytime
I’ll be your connection to the party lineI’m comin’ up so you better you better get this party started
I’m comin’ up so you better you better get this party started
I’m comin’ up so you better you better get this party started
I’m comin’ up so you better you better get this party started
Get this party started
Get this party started right now
Get this party started
Get this party started
Get this party started right now[/i]
[img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img](song: [b][i]Get The Party Started[/i][/b] by Pink)
i think this calls for (*giggle*) [i]space[/i]-shuttle diplomacy…
[img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img][Flamegrape covers mouth to suppress fit of giggling… then looks around the Pub, realizing that no one got the joke]
Get it? Space, as in sci-fi? Middle-east? Henry Kissinger’s shuttle diplomacy?
ah, never mind!
[img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]um… shouldn’t this be in the Lexx Episodes forum? (just for spoiler sake, it’s not big deal [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img] ) I posted a message about this ep over there in JJ’s thread.
[i]Trip[/i] has to be one of my favorite episodes, BTW! I loved it!
[b]I LOVED THIS EPISODE![/b]
All you smegheads (j/k) that have been bashing season 4 can’t possibly convince me it’s a bad episode in any way! They’re nowhere near Earth, Lexx is healthy and flying around deep space. And I know someone is going to say it’s just another “filler” episode. It isn’t. I just don’t beleive in that term. What about Stan and Xev’s character development?
Nevermind about cycle-of-time theories. Finally the one and only important question has been answered. I’ve been wondering about it for a long time. Just what color is Xev’s underwear!?! Yes! YES! Now I finally know! [b][i]RIGHT ON![/i][/b]
Psycho robot head was a scream! Hilarious! He was actually enjoying egging on Stan and Xev’s dementia. I wonder if that was really Prince or just a hallucination?
Before the beginning of this episode, I turned to my friend and said, “It’s all going to be a dream, or something like that. Kai won’t come back to life.” It turns out I was right about that, but I don’t mind. At least you get to see Live-Kai again.
Kai and Xev in the shower was the best scene ever made for sci-fi television! Kai and Stan in bed was the funniest scene ever made for sci-fi television!
Kids, don’t do drugs. That is unless you have the supervision of someone completely sane and rational like Kai was at the end of the episode. Do [i]not[/i] drop acid, or do X, or whatever in uncontrolled situations. Especially situations involving heavy equipment such as automobiles!
At the end of the episode, did we see Stan kick 790 off the bridge?
The cryopod controls are wrecked. Can they fix them or are they screwed? And what about Dr. Longbore? Prince and his promise?
Next comes [i]Lyekka vs Japan[/i]! Oh wow! I was just making wild guesses near the beginning of the season when I found out the name of this episode. But they’re actually going to do it! A Godzilla-sized Lyekka stomping around Tokyo. Even better, the Japanese buildings and aircraft look like those toy models they used in all those monster movie! LMAO!
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Originally posted by :
I think John Agar’s characters can be summed up best by Mike:
[i]”I’m John, the Pompous Ass!”[/i]
[img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]No one could beat John Agar. He was the best
We’ll miss you John, wherever you are. [img]images/smiles/icon_cool.gif[/img]
That’s exactly what I was talking about at the beginning of this thread. Right on, dude.
[img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]I think Mole People will be one of the episodes I will transfer to DVD in the near future.
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Originally posted by bonnee:
[QB]One of the most shocking ways to illustrate the appalling mess of lineage and legitimacy is via the Holocaust. There is a strain within Judaic thought that urges the final solution was God’s way of resolving the problem of the Jews relation to a historical homeland. It helped – a rabbi tells me – precipitate their return to a homeland (Isreal was established again in the aftermath of world world two, and is said to be partly the result of the West’s guilt/shame in allowing the Holocaust to occur on its own soil). In so doing, the historical persecution of the Jews by one religion (Christianity) historically vindicated Zionism as a form of prophesy/fullfillment of a religious promise, leading to the displacement of the Palestinian people on (so called) Arab/Muslim soil, allowing the West to be seen to play another role in the religious persucution of a different people (the breaking of their promise). Consequently, the Arabs view the West as being involved in a dispute that doesn’t (alledgely) concern them, and it is believed that if it wasn’t for Western support, Isreal would not be there in the first place. The fact that all this occurs against a background of pan Arabism (resulting from Western colonialism of the previous century) complicates the issue even further.
All of that is pretty much true. I’d just like to add that there is [i]no doubt[/i] that without Western support, modern Israel would not exist. It’s not just a belief among Arabs. It’s a hard fact.
On top of the guilt of the holocaust, there was this Cold War fear that Egypt was going commie. When Egypt nationalized the Suez Canal, seized the Sinai Penninsula, and blocked Israeli access to the Gulf of Aqaba, the West was terrified. (Can you think of anything worse than fundamentalist Islamic communists?) Eventually the conflict with Israel and Egypt was resolved. But not before massive Western support was given to the Israelis.
The West has always been stuck between a rock and a hard place.
One thing that has dramatically improved is the Arab view of Israel. At first, they vowed the destruction of Israel. Now they are actually recognizing their right to exist. But the Palestinian issue remains.
I’m forced to agree with the Western view that the terrorism must end. If I only understood what the Muslims [i]expect[/i] to happen as a result of the terrorism. Yes, it draws attention to the issues. But there are other ways of accomplishing the same thing.
But I also think that Israel needs to [i]back off[/i]. Sharon’s ultra-rightwing government is becoming dangerous. Their extreme actions work against them because it’s generating Western sympathy for their hated foes, the Palestinians.
What a mess.
[ 12-04-2002: Message edited by: Flamegrape ]
More information about John Agar has been posted over at the [url=http://www.mst3kinfo.com/]Satellite News[/url] website. (I didn’t know he married Shirley Temple!)
I think my favorite John Agar MST3K episode has to be [i]The Mole People[/i] (Also featuring [i]Leave It To Beaver’s[/i] Hugh Beaumont and [i]Batman’s[/i] Alan Napier.) My favorite riff from that episode has to be, “Maybe we shouldn’t have put the world’s oldest clay tablet on that flimsey card table!”
You made some good points, Squishy. Religeon dominates Muslim life.
But the same thing can be said about the Jews. God had promised Canaan to Abraham and his descendants. According to the Jews, Israel belongs to them because God said so. No ifs, ands, or buts.
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Originally posted by LexxLurker:
Above all other points the most important one is one that Saddy and a few others have touched on. We dont deserve this. The average person has never suppressed or done anything wrong to those who want to cause terror. And because of the fact 100% of this current trend is caused by Muslim factions there’s going to be a few feathers ruffled.
I respectfully disagree. Sort of. This is a really messy issue. I recommend reading a little of the history behind this issue:
[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/wto/flash/0,6189,380127,00.html]A brief history of the Arab-Israeli conflict[/url].
A quick and easy-to-read Flash presentation of the history of modern Israel.[url=http://www.cbc.ca/news/indepth/facts/mideast.html]Quest For Peace[/url]
An informative article at the Canadian CBC news site.I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the existence of Israel resulted from the last remnants of colonialism and the wars of the late 19th and early 20th centuries (a.k.a. “western imperialism”.) Palestine was controlled by the Arabs for the last 1300 years until the end of the first world war. (And don’t forget about the failure of the Christian crusades.) I can understand why the Arabs are mad at the west.
In fact, why not blame the British for dropping the hot potato into the lap of the newly-formed and inexperienced United Nations? With that sort of reasoning, the Americans could blame the French for our troubles in Vietnam.
Palestine is important to all three of the major world religeons. Perhaps the solution lies in the establishment of a new state that is not controlled by Jews, Muslims, or Christians. Call it “Holyland” and have it managed by the United Nations? I don’t know. This is a very tricky problem.
The sooner this issue is resolved and we get friendly with the Muslims, the better. After that, maybe we can move on to larger, more important issues that face humanity. For instance, the settlement of L5, the Moon, Mars, and the moons of the gasgiants.
[img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]If anyone is interested…
Islam:
[url=http://www.freewebz.com/fortyhadith/]Hadith[/url]
[url=http://www.injil.co.uk/]Injil[/url]
[url=http://etext.virginia.edu/koran.html]Quran[/url]
[url=http://www.allamaiqbal.com/works/poetry/persian/persianpsalms/translation/index.htm]Zabur[/url]
Christianity:
[url=http://bible.gospelcom.net/]Bible[/url]
Judaism:
[url=http://www-personal.umich.edu/~bparnes/HAGGADAH/seder.html]Haggadah[/url]
[url=http://www.kheper.auz.com/topics/Kabbalah/]Kabbalah[/url]
[url=http://www.mechon-mamre.org/]Mishneh Torah[/url]
[url=http://www.talmudworld.com/]Talmud[/url]
(I couldn’t find a good link for the Torah…)
You’ll find most of it is pretty much the same. “Be good and worship the deity” and stuff.
However, I think Kabbalah has an interesting structure. Those familiar with [url=http://www.fourthdimension.net/thoth/]Tarot[/url] will see the relationships clearer. Aliester Crowley was really into Egyptian magic and Jewish mysticism. If Crowley were alive today, he would have been branded as a creepy New-Age hippy.
[img]http://www.flamegrape.com/pic/disks_02.jpg[/img]
[ 11-04-2002: Message edited by: Flamegrape ]
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Originally posted by SadGeezer:
If yer gonna do such stuff, please please please tell me beforehand.As soon as I saw it I went mildly bonkers (as I’m sure lots of other peeps did) I fell right into your trap and feel a bit silly now!
You’re right, it is an emotive subject, but it can be a good thing to discuss, especially in a forum such as the pub. Flame, I have a helluva lot of respect for you dude, but you put me and Mary beth in a really awkward situation.
I appreciate that you feel so strongly about the subject.
Thanks for not banning me.
I have been lurking around SadBoard for weeks, wondering if the Israeli issue was going to rear it’s ugly head. But nothing prepared me for that post I read this morning. I [i]knew[/i] that it was going to erupt into something really bad, very quickly. So I made alot of noise to get people mad at, or at least redirect the arguement towards some idiot being far more of a nuisance than super_joe_yamaman. That part of the plan worked.
But don’t you see how volatile this issue can become? Right after 9-11, people were angry enough. There was no defence for what those terrorists did. But the Israeli issue is different, much more controversial with no easy answer.
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Originally posted by thefrey:
Posting under another name is totaly discouraged amoung the normal posters. therefore, should not the moderator lead by example?
I agree, you are correct. I don’t make a habit of it.
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Originally posted by Headgehog:
Might I suggest locking the thread?
Again, I must insist that super_joe_yamaman’s thread be deleted before the arguing deepens into something terrible. Don’t just lock it. Delete it.
And before something like it is suggested, I don’t recommend the creation of any kind of forum that would allow for such political discussion. I think the SciFi Angst forum is fine but it’s for [i]science-fiction[/i]. And I’m not so sure that the Pub is a good place for hot political debate either. After a certain point, the bouncer at a real pub will tell brawlers to “take it outside”.
If there can ever be a more controversional political issue on this little blue planet of ours, this is it.
*sigh* But I’ll go along with whatever the rest of you guys decide.
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Originally posted by SadGeezer:
[img]images/smiles/icon_sad.gif[/img]
Yup, he will be missed. I think I’ll have a John Agar film festival with my pals this weekend. He was one of the MST3K greats.
[img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]quote:
Originally posted by Headgehog:
I must admit though, “bombing” the thread to make it unreadable, and therefore attempting to stop the discussion was very clever and noble.
It may have been clever, but it wasn’t noble.
The “death to Israel” comment was meant to demonstrate that hatred could easily explode on the message board. I tried to follow it up with an explaination, [i]but it didn’t work[/i]. Colin Powell I am not.
I’d really like to argue about this Middle-east issue, but it is white-hot. I’ve already said too much in my stupid messages in that thread.
Again, I say this subject should be avoided on this message board.
None of you other moderators will like hearing this, but I was the one who posted that infuriating post with the big, blurry picture. I posted it for a reason. [i]This subject is too controversial![/i] That’s why I posted under an unregistered name, “Stupid Muslim Terrorist”. I wanted to prove the point that the subject is too controversial, but even THAT was taken in the wrong way. Too late I remembered that I could not edit or delete posts made by unregistered users. My diplomatic skills (that Tony took a liking to) completely failed me.
For some time now I’ve been wondering why the Israeli-Palistinian issue hasn’t been brought up in the forums. Up to now, I’ve been glad that it has not. But here it is. The subject is just too severe.
I say the entire thread should be deleted. This issue should be off-limits. If it comes to all-out war in the Middle-east, start a new forum.
FYI, the big blurry picture is a close-up of shot “Michael”, the USA’s largest above-ground nuclear detonation. It was supposed to represent a bomb going off in the Pub, wrecking the format of the thread. (Which is what happened.)
In any case, I will delete the picture from my website. This will effectively remove the pic from the thread.
Above all else, I strongly urge the rest of you moderators to steer people away from the most controversial issue on the planet.
But rest assured that I won’t be “bombing” any more threads. And again, for the record, I’m not a Jew, Muslim, Christian, or anything. At most, I’m maybe a Buddhist. But you won’t see me posting that famous picture of that Vietnamese monk immolating himself.
Delete the thread entirely.
And again, I’m sorry.
Here is another design I’ve come up with:
[img]http://www.flamegrape.com/pic/UnCon2002_LEXXEARTH1_v200.jpg[/img]
Notice the fires in Cuba, Orlando, Ottawa, and Newfoundland.
1. [b]TRON[/b] soundtrack by Wendy Carlos
2. [b]Open Day At The Hate Fest[/b] by Curve
3. [b]Subgenius Hour of Slack #828[/b] by The Church of the Subgenius
4. [b]My Aim Is True[/b] by Elvis Costello
5. [b]Weird Revolution[/b] by Butthole Surfers
6. [b]Lexx: The Series[/b] by Marty Simon
7. [b]Hidden Place[/b] by Björk
8. [b]Kol Nidre[/b] by Electric Prunes
9. [b]Arizona Bay[/b] by Bill Hicks
10. [b]Robert Johnson[/b] compilation of MP3squote:
Originally posted by FX:
sad how everything matters less as we get older, but i still enjoy my lexx, even if i didn’t care for xevivor or moss…are you going to chat with us tonight fg?
I really liked [i]Xevivor[/i] and [i]Moss[/i], too!
I never chat online after new episodes of [i]Lexx[/i]. At first it was because of Sparkla’s behaviour during my first visit. But these days it’s because I’m usually over at a friend’s house watching the show with my pals. However tonite I know I will be at home. If I remember, I’ll get online and chat.
Oh, and BTW…
[img]http://www.flamegrape.com/pic/hiyunka-meow.jpg[/img]
[i][b]HIYUNKA-MEOW!!![/b][/i]
[img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]I really liked [i]4.11 A Midsummer’s Nightmare[/i]. I thought it was fun. I laughed out loud many times.
[img]images/smiles/icon_sad.gif[/img]I can’t remember the last time I had so much fun watching a season of a science-fiction show since maybe… [i]Space:1999[/i] when I was a little kid? [i]Battlestar Galactica[/i]? Sure, I’ve always been a fan of [i]Trek[/i] shows, new and old, but I’ve never looked forward to a season and enjoyed watching it as much as those shows when I was young.
[img]images/smiles/icon_sad.gif[/img]quote:
Originally posted by Warsaw:
Personally I think a passive-agressive attack to counter well-thought out arguments is equally infuriating because it really doesn’t tell anybody anything.
Were you talking about me?
Look, I’ve already talked about it until I’m blue in the face. I had nothing more to say and I meant it. Trying to defend this d@mned show is pointless. I give up. There are so many d@mned trolls on the bboards that constantly b!tch and complain about how this show has gone to h3ll. Yet they continue to watch it so they can nitpick and make things miserable for the obvious minority that still love this show.
It’s the same d@mned thing every week. I watch the show and have some laughs with my friends. Then the next day I get online and practically all I see is more b!tching and complaining.
I’m tired of this. I give up. I QUIT.
I’ll still be lurking around the fanfic forum. And maybe I’ll post the rest of the story I started a couple of weeks ago. Other than that, you won’t hear from me for a long while.
[ 03-04-2002: Message edited by: Flamegrape ]
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Originally posted by bonnee:
[img]images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img] Good idea [img]images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img]
So tell me, bonnee, why are you attempting to get me angry with a comment like that?
God, I really want to vent my spleen.
But I’ll just shut up instead.
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Originally posted by Smartass 2002:
Maxie is gonna kick your butt. You may be forgetting that Max also has telekinesis. Any fireballs you sneeze, cough, etc, will suddenly veer back in your direction… while you yourself will get what I now call the Chris Treatment!
Also, Max can turn invisble and can walk through solid objects. The fireballs can can go straight through me if I chose. Or I can simply turn invisible and walk away.
So there!!!! [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
What level are your characters? 30th?
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Originally posted by Squishy:
I’ve also got Power DVD, this one has got a screenshot button, but it’s probably an older version.
Another way, is if you know someone who has Corel Draw, the package comes with a capture facility, which will let you capture from almost anything, although I’ve never tried it with DVD.
Adobe may have something similar, but it’s not advanced as Corel, so I’m not sure whether it has it.
Squishy [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img]
I don’t know about Corel Draw, but you can’t screen capture with Adobe Photoshop. Somehow I doubt that you’ll be able to use Corel Draw either.
I think Evil_Lister suggested the best idea so far. (Mine is almost fool-proof but it’s expensive.)
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Originally posted by infantonboard:
the simple answer: the people involved in making the show forgot how to tell a story.
You’re right. These shows I was watching on Friday nights were just a jumble of words and images that convey no information to the viewer. What was I thinking?
quote:
Originally posted by infantonboard:
they knew the basics once. they have attractive stars. but they began to leave out the romance occasionally, then all the time (season IV). without romance, you don’t got ratings.
Where was the romance in [i]Lexx[/i] in the first place? Are you talking about the non-existant romance between Zev/Xev and Kai? There was never [b]any[/b] romance between them. If there was any romance, then it was shallow and one-sided. Just Zev/Xev falling in love with Kai, getting nothing, and then facing the facts and getting over it! The little girl fantasy of a brave hero that loves her is unfulfilled. If only there were more stories like that.
But you are right. The candy-coated romance that floods mainstream television does sell. It’s really easy to sell romance when it rarely occurs in real life.
So which is better? Selling a lie or presenting thoughtful satire? I’m sure there are other options for a science-fiction show, but the Beans chose the path of comedy. ([i]Divine[/i] comedy, in the case of series III.)
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Originally posted by infantonboard:
all you got are the freaks who hate romance. there are good reasons a Stephen Spillberg and a George Lucas film get high ratings. film geeks and critics do not fill up theatres, audiences do. and mass audiences want romance.
Although I disagree with your opinion that [b]all[/b] current [i]Lexx[/i] fans are bitter social outcasts, I agree that the vast majority of major blockbuster Hollywood movies rely on the romance formula. Either that or violent movies with gratuitous sex. It makes money. But does that make them good? Does it make it right?
The movie that won best movie at the Oscars, [i]A Beautiful Mind[/i], was that drenched in syrupy romance? Loaded down with car chases? Naked chicks acting stoopid? Gunfights on rooftops?
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Originally posted by infantonboard:
this show started out as an alternative space opera, but still a space opera. it has devolved into prat falls and ridiculous unfunny skits with no wit and no story. either way, whether you personally may prefer the juvenile scatology or the pseudo intellectual social commmentary, the original mass audience will go away. they began to watch Lexx because of the original space opera movies. the lead into the series was not the Monty Python show, as the series IV plots suggests, but the ever popular hero myths of the season I movies.
Yet another fan whining about how the new shows don’t live up to the movies.
Did you ever consider that there are other newer fans who did not see the movies but loved the regular series? Or that new fans have started watching the show as recently as [i]A Midsummers Nightmare[/i]? I think what you are trying to convey is that the only “true fans” are the ones who watched the show from the beginning when there were only the four movies and no Xev. I’m waiting for some new fan who has fallen in love with ridiculous series IV to comment, “I just saw the movies! Gosh, were they boring and tedious! All that hero junk! My favorite one was [i]Eating Pattern[/i] because it was looney and had an interesting weave of ecological relationships.”
Mark my words. After the show runs it’s course, [i]Lexx[/i]’s cult following will grow. At the very least, it will be a regular staple at sci-fi conventions. There is no denying that there is no sci-fi show like [i]Lexx[/i]. Others will attempt it, but it will always be compared to the one that pioneered a new genre of science-fiction space opera.
And yes, it is still space opera.
[img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img][ 31-03-2002: Message edited by: Flamegrape ]
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Originally posted by JumpingJedi:
Dont get me wrong. Im not criticising the epsiodes in Season 4. I think on the whole its been a great season but i do get the feeling they over-stretched themselves with 24 episodes and maybe would have been tighter as a 13 episode season like Season 3.
…and therefore everyone involved would have been paid half the amount. That’s what you’re saying?
[img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]I really don’t understand the point of this thread.
[i]Haley’s Comet[/i] contributed to the story arc because Kai, Stan, and Xev all finally agree that 790 is a dangerous b@stard that needs to be tied up. Although they didn’t reprogram him, they talked about it. This may suggest that 790’s ultimate fate is at hand. Or maybe that his psychosis will be somehow fixed.
Give the Beans a little credit.
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Originally posted by DalekTek790:
I just received word that the upcoming [i]X-Files[/i] episode 9X15 will be titled [i]Jump the Shark[/i]. [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
Shouldn’t they have done that episode a few years ago?
[img]images/smiles/icon_sad.gif[/img]Sorry, I don’t know how to help you. I use a Pinnacle DC1000 videocard and Adobe Premier.
I’ve never bothered to figure out how to do it the cheap way. I imagine that copy-protection technology hinders your efforts.
If there is an image you want from any of the 2nd series DVDs, let me know. I don’t have the first 3rd series DVD yet.
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Originally posted by LexxLurker:
Does anyone remember any of this or was I hallucinating?
You were hallucinating. Now tell those d@mn elves to stop flying around my head and to go away! And make the walls stop breathing! Uh, oh– now the paisely pattern has jumped off my shirt and onto the floor…
[img]images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img]I really liked Marina and her character, Troi. And I agreed with her when she whined about lack of screen time and the importance of her part. I had so many ideas one what they could have done with Troi and the Betazeds. All those possibilities unexplored. Nitwits.
[img]images/smiles/icon_mad.gif[/img]CHARLIE DON’T GOLF!
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Originally posted by Evil_Lister:
I dont know about the bit about the ghost army, that sorta didnt make any sense, or does this play a role in the earths destruction?
I’m not sure, but the ghost army may have referenced the part in [i]Apocalypse Now Redux[/i] where they come across the French plantation.
I knew it! I suspected for a while that Lyekka had something to do with those carrot probes! I feel vindicated! (Don’t know where I posted it, tho… ) I liked her outfit this time!
And another theory confirmed: Priest, Bunny, Giggarotta, and the rest “woke up” on Earth after the end of series III. I’ve suspected that one for a while, too.
During that one part where Lyekka goes off to look for a tiger, I thought she was going to come back with mangos instead. (In [i]Apocalypse Now[/i], Chef goes into the jungle to look for mangos and finds a tiger instead!) Or Stan saying, “Earth. I’m still only on Earth.” Or maybe Giggarotta declaring, “I love the smell of ball-wash in the morning.” But I suppose that would have been over-kill. LOL
Classic lines:
[b]Lyekka: I’m Lyekka!
Bunny: Well, I like you too![/b]Brill.
Did those V.C. soldiers have numbers written on their backs? ROFL!
This episode boo-coo numbah one!
Me love long time.
[img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]quote:
Originally posted by Headgehog:
TV Planet recycle the dead bodies. Remember how Kai’s body was used on the drunk doctor’s wife. (The one that wanted to stab Stan and Slinka{Stans then TV misstress}).
Good point. I was wondering about the same thing myself.
Mr. Beetle would have been a cool reincarnation, too.
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[b][i]”I have to marry Warf! Nooooooo! I’m too ‘fragile’! I’m still recovering from last time![/i][/b](could NOT resist!)
[img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]Cool! I [b]thought[/b] that was Slinka and Yo-yo! This ought to be great! I wonder if they ever found that new roommate?
[img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]quote:
Originally posted by Evil_Lister:
How could it backfire? Are you saying you wouldnt buy a copy of Playboy if they featured Eva, Ellen, Patricia, and Xenia?These women are fabulous! Playboy just makes them even better.
Buy it? I would [b]ruin[/b] it!
[img]images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img]quote:
Originally posted by Evil_Lister:
Time to send email to Christine Hefner demmanding a “Babes of LEXX” pictorial.
That could cause a backfire of the brainpan.
[img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]Don’t hurt yourself!
[url=http://www.sadgeezer.com/lexx/lexx2-16.htm]2.16 THE NET[/url]
[url=http://www.sadgeezer.com/lexx/lexx4-03.htm]4.03 P4X[/url]
[url=http://www.sadgeezer.com/lexx/lexx4-07.htm]4.07 WALPURGIS NIGHT[/url]
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Originally posted by DalekTek790:
Now, I’ll explain this to you in simple terms so you can understand it: The choice of the title for [i]Brigadoom[/i] is not self-evident from material within the episode, like the titles of other episodes of [i]Lexx[/i] up to that point. I wanted to know the internal meaning of that term (not external associations).
It [b]is[/b] self-evident.
If you’re going to make an episode of a television show into a musical, what are you going to name the episode? If your show has elements of comedy, like [i]Lexx[/i], then it is entirely appropriate to spoof the title of a famous musical. Gilbert & Sullivan titles are usually fair game. But, of course, it is best to name your episode in a manner that is appropriate to the plot of the episode.
Let’s take a look at the general plot of the episode. The Lexx is traveling through space when it enters a mist. When the mist clears, a theater appears. Our heroes investigate and they find the inhabitants engaged in song and dance. Kai and Xev become involved in the story of the musical. (Stan plays the part of the audience.) They are given the choice of staying with the theater people or returning to their normal lives. A decision is made and they all leave the theater which vanishes as mysteriously as it appeared.
Now let’s [b]really[/b] think about this. Are there [b]any other[/b] musicals besides [i]Brigadoon[/i] that even remotely resembles this plot line?
It would not make sense to name that episode of [i]Lexx[/i], “[i]Brigadoon[/i]”. There is nothing in the episode named Brigadoon. But the plotline does resemble the plot of the very famous musical, [i]Brigadoon[/i]. And since [i]Lexx[/i] has strong elements of comedy, it is entirely appropriate to use puns. Therefore, a pun of the name [i]Brigadoon[/i] is in order. What should the pun be? What word sounds like “Brigadoon” and sums up the current situation for our heroes? They, along with everyone else in the Light Zone are [i]doomed[/i], an expression that is commonly used in adventure stories of television and film. So it is obvious they decided to combine the “Brigadoon” and “doom” because 1) it accurately describes the nature of the episode and 2) it accurately describes the current situation of our heroes.
DalekTek790, I have just completed thoroughly explaining the creative process involved in the naming of [i]Lexx[/i] episode [i]2.18 Brigadoom[/i]. What you are doing is questioning [i]why[/i] the artist named the work of art. Doing such a thing is immensely annoying to any given artist. A work of art is meant to be taken at face value. If you don’t “get it”, then that is your loss. But to continually question the nature of the aritist’s creative process is pointless.
I want you to take a look at this work of 20th century art:
[img]http://www.flamegrape.com/pic/Duchamp_Bride_p.jpg[/img]
DUCHAMP, Marcel
[i]The Bride Stripped Bare by her Bachelors, Even[/i]
1915-23
Oil paint, varnish, lead foil, lead wire, and dust on two glass plates (cracked). each mounted between two glass panels in a steel and wood frame
272.5 x 175.8 cm
Philadelphia Museum of ArtNow without doing any research on the internet or looking up any reference material about Marcel Duchamp or his work, I want you to tell me what this work of art is about and a theory as to why it was named [i]The Bride Stripped Bare by her Bachelors, Even[/i]. Don’t be shy, tell me what you think. And this is [i]not[/i] some kind of psychological test or trick, so don’t worry about that. The answer will suprise you.
[url=http://www.flamegrape.com/pic/Duchamp_Bride.jpg]Here is a larger JPEG of the same work.[/url]
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[ 29-03-2002: Message edited by: Flamegrape ]
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Originally posted by DalekTek790:
As I said before (if you would pay attention to what I say and not acknowledge my statements selectively) I am familiar with Brigadoon.
Now you are starting to become infuriating. I am telling you this in the most polite terms possible.
I would also like to take the time to point out that you are not paying attention to what I say either. Let’s take a look at something I posted earlier in this thread:
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Originally posted by Flamegrape:
[img]http://www.sadgeezer.com/babylon5/garib1.jpg[/img]
[b]Okay, boys and girls! Let’s get this one straight once and for all![/b][i]Brigadoon was the first big hit for the magical team of Lerner and Loewe. Inspired by Germelshausen, a german story by Friedrich Gerstäcker, Brigadoon revolves around two American tourists, Tommy Albright and Jeff Douglas, who stumble upon a misty little Scottish town. Tommy soon falls in love with a local lass, Fiona MacLaren, but as the two men quickly discover, this mysterious little town only reawakens for one day every hundred years.
Brigadoon opened at the Ziegfeld Theatre on March 13, 1947 and ran for 581 performances. It established Lerner and Loewe as the successors of Rodgers and Hammerstein. The 1954 screen version featured Gene Kelly , Cyd Charisse, and Van Johnson.
Described by its authors as “a whimsical musical fantasy”, Brigadoon is set in a magic Scottish village which comes out of the Highland mists once every hundred years, only to disappear after one day. Two American tourists — Tommy Albright and Jeff Douglas — on a visit to Scotland get lost in a forest. They hear distant voices (“Brigadoon”), then see a village come hazily into view. Entering it, they come to MacConnachy Square, in Brigadoon, where a gay fair is taking place. Andrew MacLaren has come there with his two daughters, Fiona and Jean; the latter is soon to be married to Charlie Dalrymple, much to the displeasure of Harry Beaton, who wants to marry her himself. Meg Brockie, a brash young woman, expresses surprise that Fiona is not jealous of her sister, since becoming a bride is quite an event and achievement in Brigadoon. Fiona explains by giving Meg a clue to her personal philosophy (“Waitin’ for My Dearie”). When Jeff and Tommy are observed all the activities in the square stop short, for they are not only strangers but strangers from a distant land. Tommy is immediately attracted to Fiona. When the latter announces she is going to gather heather for her sister’s wedding, Tommy insists he be allowed to accompany her. At first Fiona declines, but she grows more amenable after Tommy has sung a plaintive tune to her (“Heather on the Hill”). They now go off, hand in hand.
Later, in the MacLaren home, Jean is preparing to pack in preparation for her imminent wedding. The bridegroom, Charlie, comes to inscribe his name in the MacLaren family album, after which he sings of his intense longing for his bride (“Come to Me, Bend to Me”). Then Fiona and Tommy return from their expedition, late and happy. When Jeff appears, Tommy confides his feelings for Fiona (“Almost Like Being in Love”). Jeff and Tommy come upon the family album. Glancing through it, they remark the peculiar coincidence that a hundred years ago, on this very day, a Fiona MacLaren was married to a Charlie Dalrymple. It is their first clue that something eerie is happening around them. Fiona refuses to enlighten them, so they seek out one of the venerable citizens of Brigadoon, Mr. Lundie, and learn from him of the strange history of this town that lives one day every hundred years.
The wedding ceremony now takes place, with the festive townspeople enjoying songs and dances. Suddenly Harry Beaton arrives, determined to prevent the marriage from taking place. He lunges at the bridegroom with his knife, but, fortunately, Tommy arrests his hand. As Harry flees, Jeff trips him; Harry falls on his head and is instantly killed.
When the wedding is over, Tommy confesses to Fiona he loves her dearly (“There But For You Go I”). Because of Fiona he is determined to stay in Brigadoon, come what may. But Jeff convinces him that it is impossible for Tommy to live in a dream, that reality dictates Tommy must return home to New York and marry his fiancée, Jane Ashton. Sadly, Tommy realizes the wisdom of Jeff’s words. He bids Fiona a tender farewell (“From This Day On”) and leaves Brigadoon with Jeff.
Back in New York, Jane Ashton upbraids Tommy for having failed to “come to me” as soon as he had returned from Europe. The words “come to me” strike a responsive chord with Tommy. In a mist he sees Fiona before him in Brigadoon. This vision convinces him that he must break with Jane Ashton once and for all. It also convinces him that he must return to Scotland. With Jeff once again as his companion Tommy is back in the forest outside Brigadoon. Somewhere in the mist, whispers Tommy, there is a girl he desperately wants but knows he will never get. Jeff inquires if this is the reason Tommy has made the long journey back to Scotland. Tommy now reveals he simply had to convince himself that Fiona and Brigadoon belong not to the real but to the dream world. Suddenly Tommy hears voices in the distance, and sees Mr. Lundie approaching him. He takes Tommy by the hand to lead him back to Brigadoon. “You see,” explains Mr. Lundie, “love can do anything — even miracles.” Waving farewell to Jeff, Tommy follows Mr. Lundie into the Highland mists.
Brigadoon was a red-letter day for the American theatre, if only because it was the first major Broadway success by Lerner and Loewe, the words-and-music duo that later created the history-making My Fair Lady. But even if My Fair Lady had never been written, Brigadoon would still have earned for its authors an honoured place in the American musical theatre. The Drama Critics Circle singled it out as the best play of the season, the first time a musical had been thus honoured. And there was sound reason for this choice. Brigadoon is one of the most delightful fantasies that the American musical stage has known — fresh and innovative in its characterizations, dialogue and lyrics; utterly enchanting in its melodies. As Brook Atkinson said of it: “The incantation is complete and easy.”[/i]
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It seems, DalekTek790, that you completely ignored this post. As you can see, it is a thorough explaination of the 1947 musical, [i]Brigadoon[/i]. I have no idea why you subsequently posted this message:
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Originally posted by DalekTek790:
Why is the episode called [i]Brigadoom[/i]? Does anybody know? [img]images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img]I mean, was that the name of the theater? Is it a Brunnen-G term? Is it an [i]X-Files[/i]-style arcane title that is actually a word that somehow connects to the episode? The word (name?) “Brigadoom” is never spoken in the episode’s dialog (in the U.S. cut, at least), so its significance is unclear. [img]images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img]
Later it seems that maybe you absorbed something of what I posted about [i]Brigadoon[/i] since you posted:
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Originally posted by DalekTek790:
I know it’s from Scottish folklore, but what does that have to do with the episode? And why is one letter changed? Maybe somebody should ask one of the Beans.
…and then Aleck felt he had to spell it out for you again:
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Originally posted by Aleck:
[img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img][i]Brigadoon[/i] is a musical. It’s about a place that exists, to some extent, outside of time and space. The [i]LEXX[/i] episode “Brigadoom” is a musical, and the episode is set in a place that exists, to some extent, outside of time and space. One letter of the original title was changed in order to create a pun, or play on words. As the musical is about the destruction of the Brunnen-G, and the episode is set during a time in which pretty much everyone is guaranteed to face an ultimate destruction, the episode was cleverly titled “Briga[i]doom[/i].” Doom, get it? Death, destruction, doom and gloom? It’s a pun.
–Aleck
How dare you accuse me of acknowledging your statements selectively. I read all of your posts. Thoroughly.
quote:
Originally posted by DalekTek790:
If it was a portmanteau word then why didn’t you just up and say that when I first asked?
I’ve never heard of that term until you mentioned it. I looked it up in the dictionary and yes, it is a portmanteau. It is also called a pun, which is what Aleck pointed out.
What it comes down to, DalekTek790, is that you just didn’t “get” the pun. You didn’t understand the joke. The humor flew over your head. This is not a failing. Many strong-minded, logical people fail to understand jokes the first time around. It’s not that big of a deal.
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Originally posted by DalekTek790:
And it’s speculation until it is confirmed by an official source.
And then Aleck found for you an official source:
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Originally posted by Aleck:
…and that little tidbit of information comes from Splarka’s archives, and can be found [url=http://www.goldrush.com/~herd/lexx/interview/lexx4.html]right here.[/url]
So THERE.
–Aleck
Will that be enough for you, my good man? I truly hope it will.
Thank you and good day.
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